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Ed Helmsman
D4L Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.10.16 12:26:56 -
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Hello , I am a budding industrialist looking to expand my business to a small mining pos for compressing and mining in a secluded area.
I would like to setup this POS for corp use but i am not familiar with setting up a pos at all =/
How could i setup a small pos with a compressing array and some small ship maintenace arrays in a way my corpies can store their mining barges / exhumers in the pos without having to fear their collegues can just nab their ships out the SMA's? Is it possible to restrict acces to SMA's per person or something similar?
Bonus questions :
1) Am i right in thinking compressing instead of refining is the way to go in high sec?
2) Is kernite / pyroxeres worth it or should i avoid them? (had some conflicting answers ingame hence i'm confused)
3) are POS's always corp wide or can i setup a personal pos just for me?
thank you for your assistance on behalf of a noob indy. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:47:10 -
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Ed Helmsman wrote:
Bonus questions :
1) Am i right in thinking compressing instead of refining is the way to go in high sec?
Unless you plan to immediately use it in system for some manufacturing definitely compress. Even if you do plan to use it yourself there is no reason to not compress and then just reprocess as needed.
Quote:2) Is kernite / pyroxeres worth it or should i avoid them? (had some conflicting answers ingame hence i'm confused)
Similar to above, if you plan on using it you may need them. Pyroxenes has small amounts of nocxium which is valuable. If your goal is isk then use something like: http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore
According to that, both kernite and pyroxeres will should be worthwhile if you want isk.
Quote:3) are POS's always corp wide or can i setup a personal pos just for me?
POS are corp assets, not personal. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:56:53 -
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Starting off with your bonus questions:
Ed Helmsman wrote:Bonus questions :
1) Am i right in thinking compressing instead of refining is the way to go in high sec? If you are mining to sell for ISK, always compress. It makes it easier to haul, and actually increases it's value. If you're mining for use, compressing can make moving easier, but if you're setting up a refinery array at your POS that's not really an issue.
2) Is kernite / pyroxeres worth it or should i avoid them? (had some conflicting answers ingame hence i'm confused) If you are mining to sell for ISK, check the local market. Kernite/Pyro are generally good, but in a lot of places Veldspar will still net you the highest profit. Make sure you're mining higher density ores where possible. If you're mining for use, they're obviously useful if you need the minerals they provide.
3) are POS's always corp wide or can i setup a personal pos just for me? POSes are always corp assets, never personal.
Regarding your question about SMAs: you can control who has access to certain divisions within the corp, and therefore certain hangars, but there is no way to get the kind of granularity you're looking for. SMAs have always been "Use at your own risk".
Something to keep in mind is that if all you want to do is compress/refine, you don't need to keep the tower online all the time. Anchor the tower and put it online, anchor the compression and refining arrays, and then put the tower offline until you actually need it. You won't be able to access anything or use it for storage, but it will save you in fuel usage. If you're using it for any other purpose though, you'll need to keep it online all the time.
Last bit: It can be much more competitive and takes some scheduling forethought, but mining ice is generally more profitable than mining rocks.
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:30:10 -
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Ed Helmsman wrote:Hello , I am a budding industrialist looking to expand my business to a small mining pos for compressing and mining in a secluded area.
I would like to setup this POS for corp use but i am not familiar with setting up a pos at all =/
How could i setup a small pos with a compressing array and some small ship maintenace arrays in a way my corpies can store their mining barges / exhumers in the pos without having to fear their collegues can just nab their ships out the SMA's? Is it possible to restrict acces to SMA's per person or something similar?
Bonus questions :
1) Am i right in thinking compressing instead of refining is the way to go in high sec?
2) Is kernite / pyroxeres worth it or should i avoid them? (had some conflicting answers ingame hence i'm confused)
3) are POS's always corp wide or can i setup a personal pos just for me?
thank you for your assistance on behalf of a noob indy.
1) Compressed ore will sell easier and quicker than minerals and you likely won't have to haggle so much on price. But for whatever reason if you can only sell minerals that will still be better than straight unrefined ore.
2) If you have Pyroxeres in your locale that would be very good to mine. Due to the m3 value of Kernite it isn't as economic to mine as most other high sec ores. The main option for Kernite (The standard variety only.) is to haul it to your nearest level four storyline agent. It is required for some of their missions and you will be able to charge good ISK for it there.
As another guy said above if you don't have Pyroxeres you can't really go wrong mining Veldspar atm. The price is steady and you will earn about 25 million ISK per hour with maxed out skills & Orca support.
3) Until CCP fixes the corp/alliance roles & permissions it will not be safe generally for you corpies to store heir ships at a POS. Unless you can all trust each other which is fine then. But otherwise either 'safe log off' in-system or dock up at the nearest NPC station.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.16 17:04:15 -
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Nope, compressing ain't always the way to go...
I have had compressed ore up for sale in a hub for 2 weeks now, don't believe all the bull that null is desperate for it. (for something, but not ore)
If you need cash just sell the ore for now mate.
If you can mine Kernite and Pyroxeres, go for it. What would help you a lot are their respective reprocessing skills at 5, along with all the others of course.
I have a personal POS so I can't help you with that. All I have is a small Pos/compression/reprocessing array which I online now and then to see if compression is worth the investment..I'm 50/50 about that atm.
Have fun.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:07:55 -
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Keep in mind that the isk/h for j.random ore, and compressed, raw or refined, depends on the market, and the market shifts.
As noted there are several sites that can do the math for you based on the current market values.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.10.18 06:31:42 -
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If you are refining at a POS, you'll want to compress the ore / ice first and completely fill the reprocessing array as much as possible with one type of material, in order to maximize the yield.
Reprocessing arrays round differently than station facilities, for some unknown reason. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.10.18 08:11:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:If you are refining at a POS, you'll want to compress the ore / ice first and completely fill the reprocessing array as much as possible with one type of material, in order to maximize the yield.
Reprocessing arrays round differently than station facilities, for some unknown reason.
It's because of the different base yield.
Assuming max skills, implant and 0% tax, 50% Stations have a total yield of 72.358%, meaning exactly 100,000 units of compressed ore/ice for optimum refine. Intensive reprocessing arrays have a total yield of 78.14664%, meaning exactly 10,000,000 units.
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Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2014.10.20 05:58:39 -
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Just a few hints.
You can't setup a SMA with user based access however you can setup SMAs with roll based access so you could have a couple for different sets of users/SMAs. One for the chumps and one for the Directors or something like that.
Another thing to consider is fuel costs. Even running a small POS can cost over a hundred mil per month so you have to take that into account.
If you are running corp Ops from an Orca you could setup the POS before an OP and then take it down after. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2014.10.21 22:11:54 -
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If you wanna know, whats worth mining, try http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore . |
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:43:54 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Nope, compressing ain't always the way to go... I have had compressed ore up for sale in a hub for 2 weeks now, don't believe all the bull that null is desperate for it. (for something, but not ore) If you need cash just sell the ore for now mate. If you can mine Kernite and Pyroxeres, go for it. What would help you a lot are their respective reprocessing skills at 5, along with all the others of course. I have a personal POS so I can't help you with that. All I have is a small Pos/compression/reprocessing array which I online now and then to see if compression is worth the investment..I'm 50/50 about that atm. Have fun.
That is entirely all of the problem with miners and other industrial jobbies. They always feel desperate to sell rather than waiting with their goods until the market turns profitable for them. The beauty of Eve is that, unlike real like, sitting on goods cant make you poorer in storage costs or some material breaking down (plastic crap, I've had a old CRT TV about 54 inch screen literally fall apart when lifting it up because it was stored in a house with no air conditioning), electronic components aging, and so on. Everything is as fresh as the day it's mined/made, and it costs nothing to hold onto.
It's been noted time and time again that humans are really bad at seeing the long term. People are so "desperate' for the ISK, they wont hold out for more money. The market is a bit like prisoner's dilemma, everyone else is willing to sell their stuff dirt cheap, so to compete, you must sell your stuff dirt cheap.
The only reason mission running or other jobs make so much comparatively is because of the "desperation" of industrial types in the thrall of the prisoner's dilemma. Runners and sleeper farmers have mostly immunity to this problem.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:34:19 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:If you are refining at a POS, you'll want to compress the ore / ice first and completely fill the reprocessing array as much as possible with one type of material, in order to maximize the yield.
Reprocessing arrays round differently than station facilities, for some unknown reason. It's because of the different base yield. Assuming max skills, implant and 0% tax, 50% Stations have a total yield of 72.358%, meaning exactly 100,000 units of compressed ore/ice for optimum refine. Intensive reprocessing arrays have a total yield of 78.14664%, meaning exactly 10,000,000 units. Multiply by 100 for uncompressed ores. No I mean stations round-to-nearest and POS refineries round-to-zero.
Example: Refine a single block of ice. * Station: ROUND(0.72 Strontium Clathrates) = 1 * POS: FLOOR(0.78 Strontium Clathrates) = 0 |
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