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MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 17:44:00 -
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So posting this here since it occurred to me, and i thought it was worth at least bringing up.
with the recent changes to the way in which ore is compressed the rorqual doesn't have a outstanding unique thing it does beside boost for mining, and be the only non titan ship to support clones.
I was considering ways to give it features the complemented it's behavior and one thing that came to mind was make the industrial core, really an industrial core. By this I mean that the core would allow construction of frigates - cruisers - ammo - modules. have possible 25%TE bonus . but -7% ME.
it would also be VERY interesting if there was an additional module, refinery core that allowed ore refine in the rorqual as well, with the restriction of only indy core OR refinery core could be fitted. both would still consume heavy water.
thoughts ?
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2100
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Posted - 2014.10.16 18:02:00 -
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It would be cool if the Rorqual can be used as a mobile POS... ....and the only warning was the last line of the patch notes, which said. "Oh yeah, we also shuffled Moon Goo around!" Show your support, move Moon Goo with Power Projection changes!-á |
MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 18:09:00 -
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except it could still only have 3 lines, and still have more vulnerability, and be less efficient in costs of materials, and limited in the sizes of things it can manufacture. so a POS is still better in general, it just isn't as mobile. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
844
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Posted - 2014.10.16 18:22:00 -
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MiliasColds wrote:except it could still only have 3 lines, and still have more vulnerability, and be less efficient in costs of materials, and limited in the sizes of things it can manufacture. so a POS is still better in general, it just isn't as mobile.
Hmm change nullsec so some of the systems are really big with (hidden) asteroid belts and other types of sites 100s, 1000s, etc. of AUs out (would need some range limits on probes so you'd have to move slowly out in steps and other changes like removing local) and small groups could disappear into the darkness, setup a rorqual as a mobile POS and live out there for a bit with a decent chance of flying under the radar if they were half careful.
EDIT: Obviously it would need a lot more thinking out than that. |
MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:06:00 -
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guess no one really has too many comments :( |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
368
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Posted - 2014.10.17 04:21:00 -
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Rroff wrote:MiliasColds wrote:except it could still only have 3 lines, and still have more vulnerability, and be less efficient in costs of materials, and limited in the sizes of things it can manufacture. so a POS is still better in general, it just isn't as mobile. Hmm change nullsec so some of the systems are really big with (hidden) asteroid belts and other types of sites 100s, 1000s, etc. of AUs out (would need some range limits on probes so you'd have to move slowly out in steps and other changes like removing local) and small groups could disappear into the darkness, setup a rorqual as a mobile POS and live out there for a bit with a decent chance of flying under the radar if they were half careful. EDIT: Obviously it would need a lot more thinking out than that.
That would necessitate the return of DSPs to detect such individuals wouldn't it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
844
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:24:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Rroff wrote:MiliasColds wrote:except it could still only have 3 lines, and still have more vulnerability, and be less efficient in costs of materials, and limited in the sizes of things it can manufacture. so a POS is still better in general, it just isn't as mobile. Hmm change nullsec so some of the systems are really big with (hidden) asteroid belts and other types of sites 100s, 1000s, etc. of AUs out (would need some range limits on probes so you'd have to move slowly out in steps and other changes like removing local) and small groups could disappear into the darkness, setup a rorqual as a mobile POS and live out there for a bit with a decent chance of flying under the radar if they were half careful. EDIT: Obviously it would need a lot more thinking out than that. That would necessitate the return of DSPs to detect such individuals wouldn't it?
Would need a bit of an overhaul of scanning to be able to balance it between finding deep sites in the first place (maybe time limited window when sites can be scanned) and not being too easy or too hard to find people in deep space.
In general though I'd like to see null become more fuzzy once you step off the main highways but without going all wormhole space on it. |
MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.17 16:48:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Rroff wrote:MiliasColds wrote:except it could still only have 3 lines, and still have more vulnerability, and be less efficient in costs of materials, and limited in the sizes of things it can manufacture. so a POS is still better in general, it just isn't as mobile. Hmm change nullsec so some of the systems are really big with (hidden) asteroid belts and other types of sites 100s, 1000s, etc. of AUs out (would need some range limits on probes so you'd have to move slowly out in steps and other changes like removing local) and small groups could disappear into the darkness, setup a rorqual as a mobile POS and live out there for a bit with a decent chance of flying under the radar if they were half careful. EDIT: Obviously it would need a lot more thinking out than that. That would necessitate the return of DSPs to detect such individuals wouldn't it? Would need a bit of an overhaul of scanning to be able to balance it between finding deep sites in the first place (maybe time limited window when sites can be scanned) and not being too easy or too hard to find people in deep space. In general though I'd like to see null become more fuzzy once you step off the main highways but without going all wormhole space on it.
certainly would make life interesting, what if deep space probes worked more like moon probes, fire them off, and wait some duration and it return results with VERY approximate locations, that then you can warp to an use normal scan probes from there ? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17147
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Posted - 2014.10.17 17:34:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:It would be cool if the Rorqual can be used.
Fixed that for you. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
844
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Posted - 2014.10.17 17:40:00 -
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MiliasColds wrote:
certainly would make life interesting, what if deep space probes worked more like moon probes, fire them off, and wait some duration and it return results with VERY approximate locations, that then you can warp to an use normal scan probes from there ?
That idea could be a useful way to make it work. |
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Ulon Naus
BSE Protection Agency.
5
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:22:00 -
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Thing is... No one in their right mind wold park a Roqual in a belt and lock it in place.. You might as well set your self on fire..
CCP stated that it needed alot more hp.. well no matter how maney hp it gets.. if it gets hotdropped.. it will die. Im shure they have a plan. but as it is. i dont think anyone will ever use it outside pos shields.
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
844
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:26:00 -
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Ulon Naus wrote:Thing is... No one in their right mind wold park a Roqual in a belt and lock it in place.. You might as well set your self on fire..
Hence my suggestion but getting the balance right between being able to hide away in the darkness somewhere and not be too easy to find but also not being too hard to find either would take quite some doing. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
314
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:32:00 -
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Honestly the rorqual is the most confused ship out there right now, it has no real role, and im not sure Anyone knows how to fix it my random ideas were:
1. Keep current ore compression 2. Double the strength of its mining links when deployed, no deployment in a POS 3. Make the deployment buff the resist profile and self tank capablities to just below a decent carrier with max rorqual skills 4. Amplify the remote repair capabilities to similar levels ( again below triage to not outshine carriers in their intended roles ) 5. Give it the ability to compress gases making it invaluable for Drug runners such as myself 6. Keep the clone ability, edit the SMA to allow any ships so miners can reship for combat 7. Give it the ability to refine on the fly at good efficency 8. Allow it to produce Modules, Ammunition, POS Fuels very rapidly during deployment say 10x faster than a station but in small batches because of this ( any timers over 5m or perhaps 10m Will be unable to input ) 9. Change the Heavy water consumption to Liquid Ozone because heavy water is pretty pointless 10. I also toyed with a mobile Scan inhibitor base while deployed, meaning you could hide a mining fleet in its deployed radius, and if something warped in they could reship, great for laying traps too
Honestly some of those are pointless, some are too OP, some make no sense now, but thats some of my thoughts over the last 2 years on the rorqual. ( and no i dont mean all that at once either ) If you don't keep up to date on the upcoming changes, you may as well be living under a Rokh. I would even Venture to say that was a good pun on my part. Stay beautiful o7. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
844
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:36:00 -
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My old corp used to use one in a C5 pulsar - so we could send in the dreads first then use the rorqual to rep webbing huginns/lokis (as the rorqual doesn't trigger the extra escalation waves like a carrier would).
It is a very strange ship but I have a bit of a soft spot for it - the drone bonus is semi useful.
Christopher Mabata wrote: 10. I also toyed with a mobile Scan inhibitor base while deployed, meaning you could hide a mining fleet in its deployed radius, and if something warped in they could reship, great for laying traps too
That is a good idea - in combination with the suggestion I made above it could potentially make something workable - I'd forgotten about the scan inhibitors. |
MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.17 19:00:00 -
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well, i admit the roles it has are very weak, but having the ability to, with support craft run without a POS OR s station for periods of time, i think would be very cool, especially considering the vector for player built stargates |
Saberlily Whyteshadow
Perkone Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2014.10.17 20:52:00 -
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I would be happy if they just release a very trimmed up version of this ship as a super freighter.. Just like the regular freighters with no fancy role bonuses.
Do we really need another freighter?? or a super freighter for that matter?? Nope but that ship is what industrial ships should at least look like. I really like the ship model but cant use it for anything that would benefit me.. |
Resource
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
8
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Posted - 2014.10.18 00:07:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:It would be cool if the Rorqual can be used as a mobile POS...
Something worth discussion. |
Resource
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
8
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Posted - 2014.10.18 00:09:00 -
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Make a rorqual anchorable so it can't be bumped. |
Nalha Saldana
Shattered Void
857
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Posted - 2014.10.18 10:57:00 -
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Resource wrote:Make a rorqual anchorable so it can't be bumped.
Considering it gains 10x mass with the industry core going this is pretty much already the case.
My vision of the rorqual would be after they nerf gang links to gridwide range only. In highsec you can always park the orca in a belt but in low/null? No chance people will actually do that.
How can we make it viable to bring on grid? We already have the idea of making it into a POS so lets give it a 10km forcefield that cannot be activated close to any asteroids, maybe even force it off belts to some 150km+ warp point where it can serve as a ore compressor people drop their ore off at.
How will it survive? With a big resistance bonus to bring its EHP up to the point where it can survive a doomsday but still be vulnerable to medium size gangs and also put a 1 hour reinforce timer on it. This would make it a excellent medium size gang objective or even a cap fight starting point. |
Brigadine Ferathine
Dream Warriors
17
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:22:00 -
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Or give it a mining laser bonus so it can solo mine. But I agree it is useless right now. Make it a capital mining vessel. |
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
850
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:26:02 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Or give it a mining laser bonus so it can solo mine. But I agree it is useless right now. Make it a capital mining vessel.
Your still not going to see it used on grid except in rare occasions. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:28:35 -
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Rroff wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Or give it a mining laser bonus so it can solo mine. But I agree it is useless right now. Make it a capital mining vessel. Your still not going to see it used on grid except in rare occasions. I would use it... and rare is better than not at all. |
Lamar Muvila
DeepSpace Manufacturers Brothers of Tangra
4
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:30:21 -
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I think rorqual and orcas should be able to make buy orders for ore that fleet members could sell to.
I decided I don't like a constantly evolving game anymore..... It requires too much reading!
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:32:34 -
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Lamar Muvila wrote:I think rorqual and orcas should be able to make buy orders for ore that fleet members could sell to. Problem is they arnt static like a station or POS. |
MiliasColds
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:39:09 -
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true, so it can't do market orders i don't think the system can handle that
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Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
1174
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:44:19 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Or give it a mining laser bonus so it can solo mine. But I agree it is useless right now. Make it a capital mining vessel.
It is hardly useless, it gives massive bonuses. The last thing we need in eve is a bigger class of mining ships to further dump down the price of ore, and see anyone currently in exhumers making less than the small amount they already do. As for giving it production facilities, it wouldnt take long at all before there were far more cruisers and frigates available in supplies beyond anyone intended to use, by miners trying to get more out of their rorq. It wouldnt make the rorq any more useful, it would just force producers to use one to build those ship classes, to be competitive.
However, there are already a bunch of rorqual discussion threads, including the one ccp was monitoring not long ago. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2014.10.21 05:18:24 -
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Arronicus wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Or give it a mining laser bonus so it can solo mine. But I agree it is useless right now. Make it a capital mining vessel. It is hardly useless, it gives massive bonuses. The last thing we need in eve is a bigger class of mining ships to further dump down the price of ore, and see anyone currently in exhumers making less than the small amount they already do. As for giving it production facilities, it wouldnt take long at all before there were far more cruisers and frigates available in supplies beyond anyone intended to use, by miners trying to get more out of their rorq. It wouldnt make the rorq any more useful, it would just force producers to use one to build those ship classes, to be competitive. However, there are already a bunch of rorqual discussion threads, including the one ccp was monitoring not long ago. Rorquals and Orcas are only useful to people with multiple accounts who multibox. Wants boosts if you cant benefit from them? All this would do is make mining a little more bearable and not make you have to run back and forth to station every 10 minutes.
Secondly exhumers are not worth the isk risk vs. reward value. Their bonus is extremely low paired with the big jump in price over a mining barge. They need to be revisited as well. |
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:32:06 -
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Ulon Naus wrote:Thing is... No one in their right mind wold park a Roqual in a belt and lock it in place.. You might as well set your self on fire..
CCP stated that it needed alot more hp.. well no matter how maney hp it gets.. if it gets hotdropped.. it will die. Im shure they have a plan. but as it is. i dont think anyone will ever use it outside pos shields.
If you could siege for 30 minutes in a belt and when you're done, the entire belt is gone and compressed in your belly, then it would be worth it. I would deploy fleets of them with carrier and dread support. |
Gaan Cathal
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
6
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Posted - 2014.10.21 21:22:01 -
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Boosts need to be made on-grid only, and it needs to happen yesterday. Or a few years ago, infact.
Fix that, then look at fixing the Rorqual, IMO. |
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