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Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:22:00 - [1] http://euobserver.com/9/22212 Rather worrying.. probably is time to kick the habit Maelstrom Recruitment
Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:49:00 - [2] http://euobserver.com/9/22212 Linkage Fear the Ibis of doom!
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:02:00 - [3] I have no problem with that. People REALLY do stink after smoking, but hey, if you want to die early, fine by me.
XenoPagan	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:34:00 - [4] Edited by: XenoPagan on 16/08/2006 12:34:04 Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? This little office problem I understand. Luckily we have major airvents @ my workplace so there's n problem. and at least quarter of people are smokers.
GlimmerMan Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:03:00 - [5] Based on my earliest observations of work, working part time restocking fruit and veg in a local Supermarket (Sainsburys) while I was going through college and then uni, the laziest collegues were smokers. These toers would fk off to the smoking room for a 'smoking break' every hour and stay for like 15-20 minutes a time, leaving the rest of us to pick up the slack and the inept management never noticed this abuse and blatant disrespect for other hard working collegues. Then there is getting to work, I'm a student so rely on buses, it is raining so I want to wait in the shelter, a smoker comes along and lights up inside the shelter, I get wet opting for the non-cancerous option of fresh air outside. Smokers have no respect for me, I have nothing but contempt for them. When I got my first proper job after leaving uni, the smokers would still have their 'smoking breaks', though not as many as nobody else would pick up their work if they didn't do it themselves. I had the misfortune of sitting between two people who must have gone through 4 packs a day between them. Luckily we all had big desks so weren't very close when sat down, but it made me feel ill whenever they walked by me or I had to walk by them and breath in that stench. Luckily an organisational restructure saw our department made into two new ones, with an office reshuffle and in the new area I was far from the smokers. Hoooray! Just recently the company has cracked down on smoking, if you want a smoking break you need the permission of your manager and you need to clock out. The smoking room has been converted to an extra meeting room (badly needed) and smoking has been banned on the whole campus, even outside, so smokers now need to both clock out and walk off campus to get their 'hit'. This isn't due to any laws either, we're based in South England, no public smoking ban in force yet. Although it has given rise to a new problem, they never give a s**t how they put out other peiople with their smoking, but now that they need an extra walk and lose money you never hear the end of it. If I was an employer I'd avoid employing smokers based on my experiences. I know that not every smoker will be a huge slacker, but why take the risk and put up with the smell? In this day and age with all the medical proof of the harm that smoking causes I also take the fact that someone smokes as speaking negatively about their intelligence. They're either stupid or easily lead by peer pressure from stupid friends, both bad traits in an employee. Don't give me the addiction angle, to be addicted you first need to start, to start you had to ignore the warnings and unless you're like 80 and started smoking before the warnings, you're a dumbass, plus the younger you are the more you've been warned, therefore the dumber you are. Can't wait for the public smoking ban to come in to force.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:18:00 - [6] Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. Tbh that would mean I could discriminate anyone that is religous because they can chose not to be. But I have to agree that smokers stink You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. Tbh that would mean I could discriminate anyone that is religous because they can chose not to be. The difference is that one's religious belief doesn't (at least shouldn't) affect others. However, smoking does affect others because the smoker stinks and spews his nasty smoke everywhere. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dethis Caldari Eve University	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. Qft I quit smoking over a year ago after realizing its quite possibly the dumbest think you could ever possibly do with your time. Went cold turkey never turned back -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.16 13:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. Tbh that would mean I could discriminate anyone that is religous because they can chose not to be. The difference is that one's religious belief doesn't (at least shouldn't) affect others. However, smoking does affect others because the smoker stinks and spews his nasty smoke everywhere. Not if you smoke in a smoke room or alone (I am bored) You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys

Zaldiri Caldari Automated Industries	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:35:00 - [11] Banning smoking in work hours is fine. However this would seem to mean that even if someone only smokes in their own home, out of work hours, you can still disrciminate against them. And that is just wrong. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:44:00 - [12] Smokers should be treated as gods. They pay more tax than you. I knowingly damage my health by smoking, not because I am addicted to a drug, but to pay for better schools, and a better health service. You should bow down and worship me for my self-sacrifice .. but no, you'd rather moan. Just no pleasing some people. (This also applies to the great charitable work done by drinkers and car drivers ... although possibly not when the former is doing the latter) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:49:00 - [13] I smoke myself, and do notice, that I'm out of sick more often than my non smoking collegues.. But.. I work a damn sight harder when I am in work.. I'm intelligent, dilligant and hard working.. smoking for me helps relieve stress. Personally, I would welcome a complete and total ban on tobacco.. and to be honest this precident.. may very well be what finally solves the issues, the Anti-Smoking campaigns have failed to do.. However, on a different level, the excuse about smokers stinking in the office environment.. pfft.. my nose has to put up with some foul smelling perfumes on a day to day basis.. its a choice thing, and is discriminatory towards people.. if you can choose to not hire someone, just because they are a smoker.. its really not a far cry from choosing not to hire women.. on the off chance that they may become pregnant and take maternity leave.. For arguments.. More productive employees, Less strain on the National Health Services, hospitals and GP's etc, due to sharp drop in smoking related illnesses. Against arguments.. Should we allow the private sector to dictate policy? Anyone who agrees.. really should watch Office Space, the movie.. or actually work in a corporate environment.. I personally dont give a flying ****.. whats good for the company.. All in all, I think we need to introduce legislation to protect employee's rights to smoke.. put a cap in the ass of the company whos trying to set a precident.. and continue as we are.. Nothing to see move along. Michuh Maelstrom Recruitment
Desired Username Legio Immortalis Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Avon Smokers should be treated as gods. They pay more tax than you. I knowingly damage my health by smoking, not because I am addicted to a drug, but to pay for better schools, and a better health service. You should bow down and worship me for my self-sacrifice .. but no, you'd rather moan. Just no pleasing some people. (This also applies to the great charitable work done by drinkers and car drivers ... although possibly not when the former is doing the latter) QFT! The only reason I drink beer is to make the world a better place for future generations, I actually hate the stuff. ___________________________________________ Please do not read this sig
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 15:57:20 Originally by: Dethis Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a conscious choice. Qft I quit smoking over a year ago after realizing its quite possibly the dumbest think you could ever possibly do with your time. Went cold turkey never turned back Congratulations! I agree with DS 100% on what he said... In time, both mental retardation and the genetic disorder that causes homosexuality can be cured I believe. But you'll never be able to cure the freedom of choice that ppl have in a free society. You can impose all the laws & bans you want, but if ppl choose to smoke, they will find a time & place to do it... I worked in a transmission shop/oil change garage while putting myself through school. All the guys I worked with were pot & cigarettes chain smokers... I'm pretty sure all of them are still making **** for $$, still smoke their heads off, and are going nowhere fast. I'm glad I never fell into that crowd. They quite often made fun of me for never smoking pot, drinking, etc, but I found I have a great talent to resist peer pressure, and can let name calling etc just bounce right off. I feel so sorry for the young kids who can't, then end up as adults with huge medical problems because of some smart ass kids who got them to smoke... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:58:00 - [16] Originally by: XenoPagan Edited by: XenoPagan on 16/08/2006 12:34:04 Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? This little office problem I understand. Luckily we have major airvents @ my workplace so there's n problem. and at least quarter of people are smokers. Being denied a job, on the basis of your race, religion, sex, sexual orientation etc.. Is wrong dear Xenopagan.. The purpose of this thread.. is do people also consider it wrong to deny employment to people who smoke.. Personally I say yes.. smokers should be offered the same protection, in employment, as non smokers.. Maelstrom Recruitment
Phaige Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a concious choice. Tbh that would mean I could discriminate anyone that is religous because they can chose not to be. The difference is that one's religious belief doesn't (at least shouldn't) affect others. However, smoking does affect others because the smoker stinks and spews his nasty smoke everywhere. Tell that to the Jahovah's Witnesses that regularly show up at both my front door and my parent's. You may be a King or a little street sweeper... but sooner or later you dance wi'de Reaper!!
Phaige Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 15:57:20 Originally by: Dethis Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: XenoPagan Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? Hell yes. A retard has no choice but to be a retard. He can't just decide "Oh I want to be smart today." A "homo" could decide to fake being heterosexual, but that wouldn't be right either: he is what he is. A smoker can decide any day that they have the willpower to put down that cigarette, and after that they won't smell like crap and they won't be destroying their lungs. We have every right to discriminate against those on the basis of something that is a conscious choice. Qft I quit smoking over a year ago after realizing its quite possibly the dumbest think you could ever possibly do with your time. Went cold turkey never turned back Congratulations! I agree with DS 100% on what he said... In time, both mental retardation and the genetic disorder that causes homosexuality can be cured I believe. But you'll never be able to cure the freedom of choice that ppl have in a free society. You can impose all the laws & bans you want, but if ppl choose to smoke, they will find a time & place to do it... I worked in a transmission shop/oil change garage while putting myself through school. All the guys I worked with were pot & cigarettes chain smokers... I'm pretty sure all of them are still making **** for $$, still smoke their heads off, and are going nowhere fast. I'm glad I never fell into that crowd. They quite often made fun of me for never smoking pot, drinking, etc, but I found I have a great talent to resist peer pressure, and can let name calling etc just bounce right off. I feel so sorry for the young kids who can't, then end up as adults with huge medical problems because of some smart ass kids who got them to smoke... ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. You may be a King or a little street sweeper... but sooner or later you dance wi'de Reaper!!
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Michuh Originally by: XenoPagan Edited by: XenoPagan on 16/08/2006 12:34:04 Ah, so homos and retards must be taken to work, because if you don't, its a discrimination and smokers can be pushed around and discriminated? This little office problem I understand. Luckily we have major airvents @ my workplace so there's n problem. and at least quarter of people are smokers. Being denied a job, on the basis of your race, religion, sex, sexual orientation etc.. Is wrong dear Xenopagan.. The purpose of this thread.. is do people also consider it wrong to deny employment to people who smoke.. Personally I say yes.. smokers should be offered the same protection, in employment, as non smokers.. Well, if you adversely affect you own job performance, and that of those around you, I would not hire you... All because of a dirty habit? Should guys who drop their pants and jerk off to **** during lunch be protected as well, that's an addiction, right? Smoking is not a disease, or birth defect, it's a choice + addiction that already is, and will continue to be discriminated against until cigarettes are no longer manufactured in the civilized world. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero

Zapatero	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:11:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:10:37 Quote: ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. Homosexuality is not a choice, there is a gene that makes one that way, and we will find and correct it at some point in the future... So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE. Neurodivergence is a good thing. -Z Editor, EON magazine - Issue #4 now available ------------------------------------------------------- MMM website


Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:11:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:10:37 Quote: ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. Homosexuality is not a choice, there is a gene that makes one that way, and we will find and correct it at some point in the future... And yes, you can't have procreation if the same sex of the race is boinking each other as opposed to the opposite sex. i.e. it's a defect, a disorder... God's way of population control? :O ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:26:00 - [22] Hmm i doubt very much it will be ever "fixed" ;) May be one of natures ways of population control, besides even research into this area will cause such an uproar, I doubt very much it will be allowed overtly. Anyways, on the idea of an employee jerking off etc.. of course he wouldnt be protected.. because thats public exposure.. not sure how its dealt with in your country.. but I'd imagine it involves hefty monetary fines, and possible prision time on repeat offenses. Smoking tobacco however is completely Legal, in the majority, if not all countrys on earth. So that argument really dosnt hold up.. Tobacco in itself does not affect mental reasoning, or employee performance. Maelstrom Recruitment
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:11:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:10:37 Quote: ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. Homosexuality is not a choice, there is a gene that makes one that way, and we will find and correct it at some point in the future... And yes, you can't have procreation if the same sex of the race is boinking each other as opposed to the opposite sex. i.e. it's a defect, a disorder... What about Bi-sexuality. Genetic defect, choice, mixture of the 2........... tbh I am unsure of the standpoint that homosexuality is a genetic defect or regarded as an illness.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:27:00 - [24] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:28:59 Originally by: Zapatero Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:11:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:10:37 Quote: ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. Homosexuality is not a choice, there is a gene that makes one that way, and we will find and correct it at some point in the future... So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE. Neurodivergence is a good thing. -Z Well, we'll have to see when genetic engineering becomes more mainstream. I for one don't think certain human (or other mammal attributes) were intended by nature, but are in fact defects. Some of them deal with social aspects of humanity, which will always involve some sort of debate, and a heated one at that due to strong emotions, we're dealing with livelihoods... In the end, I'm sure science win the day... I certainly hope we can solve all the genetic disorders that cause humanity grief, that would be my goal if I was in that field of study... To me, being a geek is a personality trait, wanting to mate with the same sex is an error in the genetic code. Mating is for procreation, two men mating is not a means to that end... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:41:00 - [25] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:41:05 Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:29:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:28:59 Originally by: Zapatero Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:11:58 Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:10:37 Quote: ....genetic disorder? You have got to be kidding me. Homosexuality is not a choice, there is a gene that makes one that way, and we will find and correct it at some point in the future... So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE. Neurodivergence is a good thing. -Z Well, we'll have to see when genetic engineering becomes more mainstream. I for one don't think certain human (or other mammal attributes) were intended by nature, but are in fact defects. Some of them deal with social aspects of humanity, which will always involve some sort of debate, and a heated one at that due to strong emotions, we're dealing with livelihoods... In the end, I'm sure science will win the day... I certainly hope we can solve all the genetic disorders that cause humanity grief, that would be my goal if I was in that field of study... To me, being a geek is a personality trait, wanting to mate with the same sex is an error in the genetic code. Mating is for procreation, two men mating is not a means to that end... So its just *** men that you consider to be a gentic disorder? No, that was just an example... Although it does seem like male homosexuality is less accepted than female? Maybe because it's men who form the strongest opinions?, and voice their concerns louder? I don't know... Ok, back to smoking, lol... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:41:05 Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Bhaal So its just *** men that you consider to be a gentic disorder? No, that was just an example... Although it does seem like male homosexuality is less accepted than female? Maybe because it's men who form the strongest opinions?, and voice their concerns louder? I don't know... Ok, back to smoking, lol... Point ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Benco97 Gallente On Ravens Wings	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:39:00 - [27] I read some things in this thread that.. well I never thought i'd hear on the EVE forums. nothing has ever shaken my belief in the playerbase as much as this. Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group and Registered Fedo breeder
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Benco97 I read some things in this thread that.. well I never thought i'd hear on the EVE forums. nothing has ever shaken my belief in the playerbase as much as this. Well, we are all humans playing this game, except a few macro's here and there... What do you expect of the EVE community may I ask? What belief has been shaken? And what do you expect in a game environment where we all go around killing each other? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Benco97 Gallente On Ravens Wings	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Bhaal And what do you expect in a game environment where we all go around killing each other? I expect it to stay in the game, not to have someone saying that they don't think I should be, that I should be "Cured". I don't have a problem with you Bhaal, you're allowed to think whatever you like but please stop pressing those thoughts on others, I don't go around saying that in the future everyone will forced to be *** do I? Thank you. Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group and Registered Fedo breeder
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:54:00 - [30] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 17:54:52 Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: Bhaal And what do you expect in a game environment where we all go around killing each other? I expect it to stay in the game, not to have someone saying that they don't think I should be, that I should be "Cured". I don't have a problem with you Bhaal, you're allowed to think whatever you like but please stop pressing those thoughts on others, I don't go around saying that in the future everyone will forced to be *** do I? Thank you. Well, I'm sorry, but many ppl who are homosexuals certainly press those thoughts on me, with marches, demonstartions, get directly in my face about it, you name it... But yes, sorry for bringing this to the EVE forums, should not have used that as an example, should have just stuck to what DS was talking about. It's obviously too controversial for even Out Of Pod forums I guess... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero

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