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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.18 02:37:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:A Harry Forever campaign into a null alliance's home basement and around its systems would drain its resources, in the long term.
Ah, thanks for the laugh, I needed that.
Getting laughed out of nullsec, scamming your erstwhile allies, and eventually posting so badly that you finally get permabanned. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Michael Ruckert
SECURE TRANSPORTS
207
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Posted - 2014.10.18 02:41:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin has the master plan(s) to accomplish what the OP is inquiring about. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6459
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Posted - 2014.10.18 03:15:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:With an even bigger one. Especially if it exists to destroy the other one ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
480
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Posted - 2014.10.18 04:17:00 -
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Honestly, you don't.
It takes a SOV nullsec alliance to fight another one.
Without going into coalitions, just assuming an alliance...
The key to running in SOV space is logistics - not repair but the actual ability to supply and support operations in that space. You don't have NPC stations there. Without it, you can't do a lot as all the POS's and such would off-line, people would run out of supplies, etc.
Supply lines are just too long to keep any kind of force applied. Ships, ammo, med facilities when you get popped... It has to be close enough to the front-lines to support the fighting.
So your first step is to get down there into an area and get setup with your own spot as a support & supply base.
I looked into what it would actually take to do this a couple years ago - this is the weak spot but the slop in the time-tables are so long it's not really possible.
I found that you have only a few people that actually service each empire.
It's hard to find people who'll spend long hours running around to the POS's restocking/refueling. Example: 1 guy was servicing 80 POS's for an empire there. Just 1 guy.
So you might think "ok, find their supply people and camp them out so every time they log on, you hunt them down and kill them". That's a lot easier sounding than it is.
If any can get through across a solid week, at any time, they can resupply. Looking at the reality of that - alts, etc. It would take hundreds of ships "waiting" to close out all the paths that could be taken across all hours of the day -- *IF* the target empire didn't spend a day clearing a path long enough to get a run or 2 through each week.
As an SOV holder, you can potentially do it. From outside? Not possible beyond theory-crafting. |
Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility
693
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Posted - 2014.10.18 05:17:00 -
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Matthew Gallorance wrote:Not even asking for any help in taking one down, I'm just genuinely curious if there is a way to take down a sov holding alliance with their own station out deep in nullsec.
Would you need a massive military force? Or can it take a just a small infiltration to topple an alliance?
Phoebe |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2546
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Posted - 2014.10.18 05:57:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:flakeys wrote:Brains , isk and a nice ass irl in no particular order. A nice rack would help as well.
Depends if the Alliance head is straight or gay though ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Vyl Vit
862
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Posted - 2014.10.18 07:15:00 -
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Well, now. This is pretty much what EVE is all about, is it not? All else is preliminary to being able to compete for null sec space, no? If you start delving into this "how-to" you pretty much gin-up all the material ever written about the game.
Some of these alliances you see today have players that have been working toward these goals for approaching, or over ten years. They may have monkeyed around a bit when they were new, but believe me, to get where they are now took a lot more than just grinding for gear. Though it did take the right "strat." In this game, that is way more involved than most other games out there.
If you want a "strat" guide, I suggest Sun Tzu's The Art of War. (Notice that site is MIT. No dummies past this door.)
The next huge hurdle as many have already said, is enough of the right people. Ultimately "right" means "trustworthy." Skills can be learned, and taught. Organizational abilities would come a close second. THEN...TIME, DEDICATION, all those unpopular words in today's culture.
Interesting question, OP, "How do you play EVE, really?" Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2605
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Posted - 2014.10.18 07:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:All you need to do is make a thread on the forums to wake the sleeping giant that is highsec
The question you need to ask your self is this:
Why would hi-sec folk want to have want to take down the goonies or any other null-sec alliance?
Hi-sec folk I speak to in-game have little or no interest in the ego driven dramas of null-sec.
In fact if null-sec folk get their way with industry etc, Eve will effectively become two parallel games.
Then null-sec can stop whinging about hi-sec and hi-sec can continue to ignore null.
I do not favour any part of the game, null, lo-sec or hi-sec over the other, but is does amuse me that some null-sec folk seem to think that they matter in any way shape or form to the vast majority of hi-sec folk. This is not a signature. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11026
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Posted - 2014.10.18 07:44:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:flakeys wrote:Brains , isk and a nice ass irl in no particular order. A nice rack would help as well. Depends if the Alliance head is straight or gay though .... I can assure you that no leader of any alliance worth being called such ...
... but CEOs of small time corps just LOVE sparkly eyes and ... ... white, soft skin that looks like delicate whipped cream flavoured with cinnamon! *snickers xD* I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
507
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Posted - 2014.10.18 08:09:00 -
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I read nothing.
My answer is:
Time Effort Money AWOX.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1686
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Posted - 2014.10.18 08:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:All you need to do is make a thread on the forums to wake the sleeping giant that is highsec
Coffee meets monitor. Andski declared thread winner. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
58
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Posted - 2014.10.18 10:02:00 -
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Will power and probably around 1000 pilots spread out over the different time zones. Those two things are the two things that are going to be the hardest to find. After that you need funding and you need those pilots to follow orders, even if it means welping fleets. After the jump changes it should be easier than it would be now. Time, will power and following orders.
It can be done but no one seems to have the charisma to hold that many pilots together and keep the moral up long enough to show progress. Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
168
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:19:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Insult someones girlfriend. We're talking about EvE players here. Maybe their cat. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
144
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:28:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Brains , isk and a nice ass irl in no particular order.
Sleeping with the CEO would be a pretty good method for taking down an alliance. It would provide you with a lot of leeway and let you stir up a lot of drama. Good way to turn the alliance members against each other. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2506
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:33:00 -
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I'm growing clones of all the major alliance leaders. Soon I'll swap them out for the real ones. Queue evil laugh!! |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2497
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:52:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic !
The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1562
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:40:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:flakeys wrote:Brains , isk and a nice ass irl in no particular order. Sleeping with the CEO would be a pretty good method for taking down an alliance. It would provide you with a lot of leeway and let you stir up a lot of drama. Good way to turn the alliance members against each other.
Well I know who just won Eve in this scenario. I should get a hisec industrial alt. |
Rokaka
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:49:00 -
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work harder than they are working. |
Polymer
The Graduates Forged of Fire
7
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:58:00 -
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Alliances exist as long as the people in the alliances still believe in the alliance.
Goons are a perfect example with as much as they have been through. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
168
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Posted - 2014.10.19 00:12:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I'm growing clones of all the major alliance leaders. Soon I'll swap them out for the real ones. Queue evil laugh!!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bm8VfWLAXqk/UW8M4kXgVEI/AAAAAAAAG6A/QIcYOyMC91k/s1600/invasionBS78_sutherland.jpg |
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
891
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Posted - 2014.10.19 00:52:00 -
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The best way? Build a beehive.
The most fun way? Kill Steve.
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