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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:18:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Black Pedro wrote:-1
So you want to ban without warning players for engaging in behaviour (Highsec ganking) that has not only been been tolerated for 10+ years, but was explicitly how the game was designed?
Or do you want to ban these players without warning because they trash talk, gloat over a victory - "rubbing it in" as you say, or have at thier own propaganda website like practically every other large player group in Eve?
Or do you want to ban these players without warning because you are licensed mental health professional and have diagnosed these people as an actual threat to society, or at least other players, over the Internet?
I don't even know where to begin. You have a point and each isolated incident is not sufficient. However combined with clearly sociopathic behavior such as recent reposting of death threats on their website with an objective to rub it in and make fun of clearly disturbed individuals. That's not OK and should clearly constitute a violation of reasonable player behavior.
We post death threats to highlight the massive double standard CCP has on their response to "out of game" harassment. I have reported many death threats and watchlist the offenders. These players will play interrupted for weeks after threatening me and my family, suggesting no action was taken. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
427
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:18:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote: I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).
You are employing a Strawman logical fallacy in a rather weak attempt to debunk my argument, F for Fail.
CCP regulates player conduct related to their game. I never claimed that you committed IRL crime. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18531
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:18:00 -
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Dream Five wrote: I already told you repeatedly that I consider repeatedly offering me a permit is harrassment and you disturb me. This is not the 5th the 10th or even 20th violation of my request.
I mean wouldn't it be easier to purchase the permit and follow The Code as a compliant person rather than risk more of your ships like you have recently? Why don't you go shove your head up your Anal Canal where it belongs? Is this a real life threat or an in game threat? It is a timely suggestion. Not a threat. Please do not brand it as anything else.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5846
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:19:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Dream Five wrote:Almethea wrote:LOL, welcome in EVE! you must be new? just for info +/-90% of player base are sociopath and ccp approve. deal with it? Sometimes i think you are right :( But i still have hope that it's just the loud minority. It is a loud minority. Don't worry. The rest of non nerds are too busy playing eve to forum warrior. This is the nerdy game anslo. we are to other nerds what they are to normal people. none of us are in a position to use that as ammo. =]I[= |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
427
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:19:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Dream Five wrote:Black Pedro wrote:-1
So you want to ban without warning players for engaging in behaviour (Highsec ganking) that has not only been been tolerated for 10+ years, but was explicitly how the game was designed?
Or do you want to ban these players without warning because they trash talk, gloat over a victory - "rubbing it in" as you say, or have at thier own propaganda website like practically every other large player group in Eve?
Or do you want to ban these players without warning because you are licensed mental health professional and have diagnosed these people as an actual threat to society, or at least other players, over the Internet?
I don't even know where to begin. You have a point and each isolated incident is not sufficient. However combined with clearly sociopathic behavior such as recent reposting of death threats on their website with an objective to rub it in and make fun of clearly disturbed individuals. That's not OK and should clearly constitute a violation of reasonable player behavior. We post death threats to highlight the massive double standard CCP has on their response to "out of game" harassment. I have reported many death threats and watchlist the offenders. These players will play interrupted for weeks after threatening me and my family, suggesting no action was taken.
A bit too late to play the victim card. There's abundant evidence that your objective is mainly player humiliation. |
Mag's
the united
18006
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:20:00 -
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Anslo wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Dream Five wrote: I already told you repeatedly that I consider repeatedly offering me a permit is harrassment and you disturb me. This is not the 5th the 10th or even 20th violation of my request.
I mean wouldn't it be easier to purchase the permit and follow The Code as a compliant person rather than risk more of your ships like you have recently? Why don't you go shove your head up your Anal Canal where it belongs? Is this a real life threat or an in game threat? It is a timely suggestion. Not a threat. Please do not brand it as anything else. How would you know, unless that's your alt?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18531
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:20:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Anslo wrote:Dream Five wrote:Almethea wrote:LOL, welcome in EVE! you must be new? just for info +/-90% of player base are sociopath and ccp approve. deal with it? Sometimes i think you are right :( But i still have hope that it's just the loud minority. It is a loud minority. Don't worry. The rest of non nerds are too busy playing eve to forum warrior. This is the nerdy game anslo. we are to other nerds what they are to normal people. none of us are in a position to use that as ammo. Breh I lift it's cool. I'm no nerd.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5846
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:21:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote: I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).
You are employing a Strawman logical fallacy in a rather weak attempt to debunk my argument, F for Fail. CCP regulates player conduct related to their game. I never claimed that you committed IRL crime. Yet it's fine to brand them with psychological disorders for playing a game ... =]I[= |
Anslo
Scope Works
18531
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:23:00 -
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Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man.
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Mag's
the united
18006
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:24:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man. So you're guessing. Gotcha.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:26:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man. So you're guessing. Gotcha. No because I know English. He said why don't you shove, not I am going to shove. Basic comprehension there broski.
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
144
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:27:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Dream Five wrote:I've formulated my understanding of how and why CODE operates and would like to propose a petition to
1) Permanently ban all their leadership 2) Establish new guidelines for how player post-gank humiliation is unacceptable behavior in EVE
The reasons for this are:
I believe that they gank for player humiliation (not profit) and it's their primary goal.
This belief is based on them contacting players repeatedly after they ganked them even after they told them that they don't want their permit.
0) There's really no need to go any further than the recent quotation on minerbumping of death threats that they received from a ganked player. Quoting such disturbed people, sending them follow up "umadbro" mails and tryign to infuriate them even more clearly shows that their objective is to produce such reaction and they derive satisfaction from it. It's also sad that we harbor such sick individuals within the EVE community. a) Posting their "tears" publically on their website, almost daily (see minerbumping.com), including frequently information that is highly derogatory and came from a player that is angry over a loss of their spaceship b) Rubbing it in after the gank, repeated convos to players who are already outraged over the loss of their spaceship c) Attempts to get them on voice comms, record their rage and publish it on soundcloud/youtube b) They gank completely empty freighters e) They repeatedly try to sell permits to people who already repeatedly said no at least 20 times f) After they sell their permits they revoke it based on being AFK in station, so the permits are not designed for profit but for player griefing because it's impossible to comply with the terms of the "permit" g) If you read their website you can see that James 315 is a sick self aggrandizing individual h) You can see that CCP has failed thus far to ban them because they don't quite see through their sickly disguised roleplay what they are really doing or are having difficulties navigating their behavior disguised as grey area roleplay.
Therefore I believe that these people or at least their leadership is basically a group of sick individuals who derive pleasure primarily from their victims' suffering and need out of game psychiatric help. We as players are not qualified to give them this help and neither is CCP. In the meantime the game would be better off without them. Let's play with respect and make EVE a better place where pirates seek profits and not player humiliation.
Please +1 if you feel the same way.
Also whenever you get contacted by them for post gank or with an offer to buy a permit, petition them to CCP for humiliation using the factual rationale provided above.
Note that this is not about highsec ganking, it's about this group of sick individuals who basically use EVE for griefing and derive pleasure from it.
At this point i feel like any compromise such as them "fixing up" their behavior is unacceptable and they need to be permanently banned from the game. Minerbumping.com needs to be shut down and these players who unfortunately can't behave in a respectful way expunged from the EVE gaming community.
(There are other issues with actual game mechanics that are questionable, such as bumping to get ready in position and the victim being unable to do anything about it and the fact that people can use 40 ISBoxed thrashers. Neither of those things seem quite right but i can see how people can disagree on that.) I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery). Now that is some impressive tinfoil hattery right there.
Its been a while since I have seen the old "CODE extortion is illegal" claim. |
Mag's
the united
18008
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man. So you're guessing. Gotcha. No because I know English. He said why don't you shove, not I am going to shove. Basic comprehension there broski. We already established you are guessing, it's fine brah.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:28:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dream Five wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote: I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).
You are employing a Strawman logical fallacy in a rather weak attempt to debunk my argument, F for Fail. CCP regulates player conduct related to their game. I never claimed that you committed IRL crime. Yet it's fine to brand them with psychological disorders for playing a game ... Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap.
Kind of sad really.
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Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:29:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man. So you're guessing. Gotcha. No because I know English. He said why don't you shove, not I am going to shove. Basic comprehension there broski. We already established you are guessing, it's fine brah. So English isn't your first language then. That's really all you had to say brohan.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1703
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:31:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap.
Plenty of the people who want a line drawn are in the New Order. Whoops. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mag's
the united
18008
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:31:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap.
Kind of sad really. I see you're on a guess fest. Unless you have facts to back this up, in which case go ahead and post it.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:31:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap. Plenty of the people who want a line drawn are in the New Order. Whoops. That's the point. So they can skate the very edges of harassment and get away with it.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
428
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:32:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dream Five wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote: I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).
You are employing a Strawman logical fallacy in a rather weak attempt to debunk my argument, F for Fail. CCP regulates player conduct related to their game. I never claimed that you committed IRL crime. Yet it's fine to brand them with psychological disorders for playing a game ...
Unfortunately there's no other way to identify and deal with this other than factual.
Gloating over other people's suffering & pain is a staple of such conduct. In this case the group is also pretty large so there's some ill-motivated herd mentaility going on. I was actually pretty shocked as the group appears to be pretty tight knit as well considering their clearly abusive behavior. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:32:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap.
Kind of sad really. I see you're on a guess fest. Unless you have facts to back this up, in which case go ahead and post it. When you grasp English better then sure. You still can't tell the difference between a threat and a suggestion.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1703
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:33:00 -
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Anslo wrote:admiral root wrote:Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap. Plenty of the people who want a line drawn are in the New Order. Whoops. That's the point. So they can skate the very edges of harassment and get away with it.
Wow, dude, you pulled that U-turn so fast you forgot to edit your previous post. First you said the ones who prefer the grey are the "bad" guys, now you're saying the ones who want a clear line are. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mag's
the united
18008
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote: Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man.
So you're guessing. Gotcha. No because I know English. He said why don't you shove, not I am going to shove. Basic comprehension there broski. We already established you are guessing, it's fine brah. So English isn't your first language then. That's really all you had to say brohan. Oh it is, but even then it is still a guess even if it was an educated one.
Oh and that pilots name is spelt Carribean, not caribean. Just saying brah.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18533
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:35:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Anslo wrote:admiral root wrote:Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap. Plenty of the people who want a line drawn are in the New Order. Whoops. That's the point. So they can skate the very edges of harassment and get away with it. Wow, dude, you pulled that U-turn so fast you forgot to edit your previous post. First you said the ones who prefer the grey are the "bad" guys, now you're saying the ones who want a clear line are. Oh my bad. iPhone sucks to post on. No I meant the ~bad~ guys want the line. Versus CCP keeping it grey so that ~bad~ guys can't skate the line.
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Mag's
the united
18009
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:36:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Be real dude. A lot if these nerds just want a line drawn by CCP so they can skate close to it. Keeping it grey leaves room to adapt to people who do have issues and enjoy harassing players. People like this exist. People with mental issues causing them to enjoy making other people feel like crap.
Kind of sad really. I see you're on a guess fest. Unless you have facts to back this up, in which case go ahead and post it. When you grasp English better then sure. You still can't tell the difference between a threat and a suggestion. Nice avoidance. So that would be a no then? Cool.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Anslo
Scope Works
18537
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:37:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Oh and that pilots name is spelt Carribean, not caribean. Just saying brah. Nice goal post change. Also confirming again that iPhone sucks to post from.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5849
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:37:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:
Its been a while since I have seen the old "CODE extortion is illegal" claim.
I miss dinsdale , he set the Barr for the tinfoil brigade, without him we get this "[insert PvP entity here] are the super devils and big meany faces who club orphans and pee on the toilet seat". =]I[= |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
526
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:37:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:How would you know, unless that's your alt? Cause CQ is the best and strongest independent caribean woman who don't need no man. So you're guessing. Gotcha. No because I know English. He said why don't you shove, not I am going to shove. Basic comprehension there broski. We already established you are guessing, it's fine brah.
Isn't guessing half of EVE?! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1706
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:38:00 -
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I do hope Dinny is doing ok. He got very upset over pixels. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Anslo
Scope Works
18537
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:38:00 -
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Confirming 90% of FCing is guessing welping and dunking.
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Mag's
the united
18009
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:39:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Mag's wrote:Oh and that pilots name is spelt Carribean, not caribean. Just saying brah. Nice goal post change. Also confirming again that iPhone sucks to post from. You brought up the English argument chap. But I see you edited out the important part, good move sir.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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