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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:21:00 -
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I have read many reviews/opinions about this oddly designed battleship and I am really lost. It seems Nestor is meant to be multitasking vessel but now it is not well suited for any task i.e. other ships do the job better and are way more cheaper. Anyway I'd like to ask about your input about Nestor as an all-in-one Level 4 missions, rattling & exploration drone-boat in hi-sec. Besides do you know about more buffs CCP plans for Nestor? |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:21:57 -
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I have read many reviews/opinions about this oddly designed battleship and I am really lost. It seems Nestor is meant to be multitasking vessel but now it is not well suited for any task i.e. other ships do the job better and are way more cheaper. Anyway I'd like to ask about your input about Nestor as an all-in-one Level 4 missions, rattling & exploration drone-boat in hi-sec. Besides, what do you know about more buffs CCP plans for Nestor? |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:49:46 -
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IMO it's only use is for Incursion VG fleets and Jita suspect-bait-RR. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:02:00 -
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LOL! |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:02:29 -
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LOL! Anyway I created shield tanked Nestor's T2 fit against Guristas:
[Nestor, PvE] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II 100 MN Afterburner II / 100 MN Microwarpdrive II / LMJD <- choose the best one
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2014.10.19 23:10:35 -
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It's easily the best ship for high sec exploration.
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:31:36 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:It's easily the best ship for high sec exploration.
This is the truth. You really want as many officer modules as possible to get the best out of the hull though. |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:40:05 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:It's easily the best ship for high sec exploration. This is the truth. You really want as many officer modules as possible to get the best out of the hull though.
And always let everyone know where you'll be and when so gankers can come "admire" your ship and fitting.
On topic: the Nestor is not currently very worthwhile, even in high sec. 1.2 Billion for a ship that falls just short in every possible way.
The ship should be made to be to exploration what the Orca is to mining and to work best in conjunction with the Astero and Stratios. It is frustratingly close to this. I'd like to see:
1. Drop laser and combat drone bonuses. 2. Bonus both remote hull and armor repairers. 3. Keep the Ship Maintenance Bay and Fitting Service. 4. Add a small (5000m3) Fleet Bay plus its current cargo bay. 5. Exploration-related warfare links. 6. Add either a CovOps Cloak or give it jump capabilities like a BLOPs. 7. If it gets jump capabilities, then give it a reduces speed and targeting penalty when using a cloak. 8. To bring it out in the open, give it salvager and salvage drone bonuses. 9. Possibly increase the SMB to hold 2 fitted Stratios. I see small gangs swapping between frigates and cruisers as the needs arise.
Designed like this, its role would be to jump its gang in, scan down a system, pass bookmarks to the gang, bonus them while they run sites then come in and run salvage and repair operations until they jump to the next system and repeat the process.
Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:53:57 -
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How about this?
The Astero is amazing at finding and clearing data/relic sites, other than ghost sites. It could probably clear super easy combat sites, but not really ideally.
The Stratios is solid at data/relic, including ghost sites, but can also clear combat sites, including easy WH data /relic.
Why not make the Nestor a beast for combat exploration? Drop the hacking bonuses, give it full laser and drone damage bonuses. Now you have three types of exploration ships, hacking, hacking/combat, and combat.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:11:25 -
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The Nestor has the potential to be a really cool ship, but right now it tries to be so many things at once (laser boat, drone boat, RR, exploration, ship refitting) that it can't really do any one of them well. Couple this lack of utility with the cost of the base hull, and it ends up not being very popular except for a few niche roles, or for use by folks who soon lose them.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:57:57 -
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Great input! I also do not know what role should Nestor fulfill in Eve Online. I guess maybe Nestor should become hi-sec carrier? Thus its price-tag is similar to carriers and in fact Gecko drones look like hi-sec fighters. What do you think about it?
At the beginning CCP intended to make Nestor premiere Wormhole's exploration ship but its cost is rather prohibitive in that role. Dropping exploration role would make Nestor logistic ship. I am not sure if battleship class vessels should be logistic platforms at all. I'd prefer see Nestor with Covert Ops Cloaking Device, Cyno Field Generator and/or Jump Drive. that would be a good extension of Astero and Stratios capabilities! Anyway CCP plans to allow low-sec capital ships using stargates so maybe capitals arrive to hi-sec soon? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.10.21 08:44:45 -
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For general hisec exploration, the Nestor is pretty subpar compared to the gila/ishtar for it having these slow drones. Unless your scanning skills blow or you like warping in slow motion, should really avoid the nestor, imo.
Edit: Your, not you're
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Janeway84
Its a good day to die ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:52:23 -
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You cant even enter the Ded complexes in hisec with a battleship! The best use of a nestor is with a fleet doing wormhole pve or pvp from what i seen on the killboards. Its like a unholy mix of a guardian and a dominix.. |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:06:06 -
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Janeway84 wrote:You cant even enter the Ded complexes in hisec with a battleship! The best use of a nestor is with a fleet doing wormhole pve or pvp from what i seen on the killboards. Its like a unholy mix of a guardian and a dominix..
That's the joke. Nestor is terrible for highsec exploration, and too sluggish/not covert for exploration anywhere else.
All around, the ship is a poor choice:
Exploration: No covert cloak, far more sluggish than a t3, or cov ops, can't enter highsec combat plexs RR: No capacitor usage bonus meaning RR is super cap hungry Combat: no tracking or capacitor usage bonuses on Lasers Tank: Only 6 lows (with a resist bonus), to fit in your tank, and dual weapon systems. So you either have to go shield and forego an important bonus, or go armor and skimp on the damage potential.
Only real good use for the ship is a mobile refitting platform. A 1.2 billion isk mobile refitting platform, for your gang. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:56:28 -
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They have huge buffer and they rep like a *****, the primary issue is their ****** cap but you can get around that.
So yes they are useful. |
Tij Lamor
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.22 11:01:24 -
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The mass decrease seems to be pointing to a role as fleet support for C1 wormhole use and that might be viable if the price comes down. If Nestor was the same price as a Rattlesnake I think there would be a lot more interest. To excel in that role Nestor needs the ability to fit a warfare link - which would basically re-position it as a big battle cruiser rather than a small battleship.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.22 13:26:13 -
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OK. I will consider acquiring Nestor if CCP buffs it in some way. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
753
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Posted - 2014.10.24 00:12:15 -
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It is slow a freighter will out race it,but is sorta agile it need cap as soon as you turn keys in on possition and it need it bad.
Used one briefly as alt dps needed to go shield and tachions for respectable dmg across the ranges and to avoid being locked in hard EM with scorch,but overall nothing that's worth billion + not even close.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.10.24 07:52:08 -
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From a wormholers perspective: The Nestor is primarily a very expensive Mobile Mobile Depot for cases where you don't want to use a carrier for some reason. It can in theory be used for RR, but then you need guardians to feed it with cap anyway. Also there is the problem that bringing just one won't actually increase your fleets RR capability because with its large Sig radius the Nestor will usually be the softest target in your T3 gang. (So you need to bring even more RR to keep the Nestor alive)
I guess you could use them for doing sleeper sites, with two of them RRing and capchaining... but why would you? There are ships that can do this better at a fraction of the cost. |
Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.24 08:44:54 -
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TL;DR version:
No |
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Umino Iruka
ACME-INC
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:51:12 -
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In my opinion, no one in the right state of mind does exploration in a Nestor.
When it comes to PvE, it sucks - there are lots of ships out there that outperform it for a fraction of the cost.
Fleet logistics (which is one of it's primary roles, if not THE primary role of the ship) with Nestor is a pain in the ass to accomplish.
The Nestor can actually be fitted with medium deadspace remote repairers which are not that expensive and will repair as much as unbonused large remote repairers (because of the bonus) - such a fit can easily be made cap stable if you don't mind the 20km remote repair range.
However... When doing PvP logistics, you get jammed frequently and Nestor has a battleship class scan resolution which means it would take forever to re-establish the locks. If you fit 2 scan resolution scripted sensor boosters, then it's scan resolution is still not as good as a T2 logi cruiser one, but it's close enough.
In my book, any ship in this game that requires you to waste 2 or more slots in order to be able to perform it's primary role is a PIECE OF ****! Plain and simple.
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Doris Dragonbreath
StarHunt Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.11.05 08:04:37 -
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In a nutshell - NO.
Practically anything you might want to do with it something else does better/cheaper. You can theory-craft a very specific situation to claim "see, Nestor does it better" but these situations practically never occur in the reality as far as I'm aware. |
Rockstede
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:46:03 -
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Doris Dragonbreath wrote:In a nutshell - NO.
Practically anything you might want to do with it something else does better/cheaper. You can theory-craft a very specific situation to claim "see, Nestor does it better" but these situations practically never occur in the reality as far as I'm aware.
She nailed it perfectly.
It's a Jack of all trades, Master of none, as the saying goes. |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
366
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:00:39 -
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It's just like you can almost get a Nidhoggur for 100m more. Okay, fitting is going to be more, but basically you can have a 'bad' slowcat, the Nestor, or you can have a real one, the Nid. |
Marcus Tedric
Tedric Enterprises The Star League
10
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Posted - 2014.11.08 12:17:54 -
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It just needs to have Black Ops added |
Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 14:24:19 -
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Rockstede wrote:Doris Dragonbreath wrote:In a nutshell - NO.
Practically anything you might want to do with it something else does better/cheaper. You can theory-craft a very specific situation to claim "see, Nestor does it better" but these situations practically never occur in the reality as far as I'm aware. She nailed it perfectly. It's a Jack of all trades, Master of none, as the saying goes. Which wouldn't be a terrible bad thing for a ship if it wasn't terrible in everything it "can do". The Astero and Stratios are exploration ships with a sidedish of combat and they can do either surprisingly well - if you specialize. The Nestor suffers the same problem Druids in WoW did before BC. Someone went and said "but if they do everything they need to be worse than those that only do one thing". Not they don't - you need to specialize (read fit here) for a specific purpose anyway. If I do that I can't use the other roles it is inteded for. See there - Ferals can't cast Moonfire. An Astero can be a good explorer with some defense or a good combat ship without exploration. A Nestor can do ... nothing well. At all. Just. Don't. Undock. It. |
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.11.08 18:48:39 -
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flagship for a domi RR gang |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 01:10:54 -
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There are some fun setups you can do with it, its biggest problem has been the cost.
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