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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
716
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:35:00 -
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1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.
anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?
just curious
there are always new players that need 20 mins of entertainment. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10110
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:36:00 -
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Anslo wrote:They're bad at actual pvp.
Everytime you chestbeat like that, I just read your sig and laugh my ass off. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20937
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:05:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content. Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10111
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content. Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.
Your character's expression is the realization dawning on him that he is about to become "content".
Or, to put it a different way, you once told me what it really is, and I have forgotten. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
stoicfaux
5331
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:15:00 -
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It's CCP's fault for creating a sandbox empire building game that isn't about ganking miners in null sec.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10112
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:22:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:It's CCP's fault for creating a sandbox empire building game that isn't about ganking miners in null sec.
Nah, those guys aren't afk anywhere near as often. It's the illusion of safety that provides the complacency needed for ganking to thrive. If people weren't so dumb, CCP would have to buff ganking since you wouldn't be able to get it done with any kind of efficacy. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
928
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:50:00 -
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The reason people gank?
Mainly because hisec rats are so feeble that the only ship in danger of dying from them is an afk Venture.
Great Chribba, without gankers, the only thing miners would have to watch out for is Incursion flash mobs!
Also, sometimes they drop the tasty loots, they do. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Myles Wong
Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders
31
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Posted - 2014.10.20 03:57:00 -
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Because winter is coming.
Really, it's almost on top of us. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3605
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Posted - 2014.10.20 04:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Regnag Leppod wrote:Schadenfreude In english please! Ha ! Sol clearly hasn't heard the much catchier English word Vicariouspleasurederivedfromwatchingyouropponentsuffering . . . .
"Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.10.20 05:15:00 -
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We are the hunters, miners are the prey. This is how the world works. RIP Richard A. Butt |
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:08:00 -
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that really depends on what miner ganking is for.
many gankers do it because of the rage induced within the victim that is later expressed either directly at the offenders or alternatively in public forum posts. however the best gankers will also do it for the loot. killing a player's ship will more often than not provide a teward in the form of a wreck with items in it that previously resided within the now destroyed ship and anyone can steal the loot. this is what makes ganking profitable when done right. with two characters logged in simultaneously, a ganker is able to not only offend a victim physically but also acquire goods from thevictim by having an alternative character("alt") remove whatever items that remain of the victim's ship.
and as a ganker I can say I thoroughly enjoy it for both reasons. A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:18:00 -
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OP, What's the appeal of staring at a thin beam of brightly colored pixels going from a picture of what is presumably a vehicle, to a picture of what is presumably a rock, getting a text message on your screen that some "cargohold is full", when it's only made of pixels and fantasy, pressing a button that says dock, which changes the pixels on your screen from a bunch of rocks to a big structure looking thing, whereupon you press a button that says sell, which causes this interactive object with text "wallet" to flash and increase number values from zero, whereupon the cycle repeats?
Whats the appeal for anyone to do anything with video games? |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:02:00 -
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Viktor Fel wrote:1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.
anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?
just curious It is said that inexperienced military leaders talk about tactics; while the experienced leaders speak of logistics. The wars between the null-sec power blocs are not only fought in null-sec. There is always a hidden war within the war whenever the major null-sec powers of the EVE online class with one another, and it takes place in high sec. Most of the noncombat space peasantry that populates high-sec fail to recognize the fact that they are part of this hidden war. While the scale and scope of this hidden war continues to evolve alongside the wars in null-sec; the fact remains that every neutral freighter, jump freighter, and miner is a potential target simply because that character may be engaged in the financing or resupply of a hostile alliance or power bloc. An enemy cannot fight you if said enemy has nothing to fight you with or if the financial burden becomes too great. These people for the most part, do not care who they are selling their goods and services to the so long a tidy profit is made. They may sell to the CFC, but they are just as happy to sell to N3, PL, Nulli and others. That makes them as much threat as it does friend in my eyes. So I do what I and able to mitigate the affirmation threat. There is no malice in my actions, any more than there is malicious intent when a miner, manufacture, or freighter pilot sells his goods and services to corporations, alliances, or coalitions that are hostile towards goons or our allies. It is simply the nature of EVE online as it is meant to be; violent and intriguing. I personally find it a bit amusing that the high-sec space peasantry gets so angry about something that they finance and supply constantly without regard for anything save their wallets.
In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?
"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".
Seem's like reasonable business, no?
Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
164
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:24:00 -
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13kr1d1 wrote: In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?
"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".
Seem's like reasonable business, no?
Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.
Huh? T1 ships trade at mineral value. No one has enough market power to actually raise their prices. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2302
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:27:00 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:
In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?
"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".
Seem's like reasonable business, no?
Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.
We say "wheels within wheels" kind of tongue in cheek, but it's true. Everything in Eve has a ripple-on effect.
I gank a miner. He buys a new mining hull from my alt. I funnel that money to nullsec alt for shenanigans. I lose my null fleet ship. I buy new ship. Ship made with minerals, mined by that original miner.
Most people only see their tiny corner of New Eden, and never really consider the big picture. In the end, the big picture is what makes Eve so awesome. It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:28:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:13kr1d1 wrote: In spite of my distate for general Gooning, this is correct. Miners and traders support their own executioners, providing minerals, ships, and low prices. Why don't you look at the fact that 0.0 alliances are SO fat and rich to jack up prices on the ships they crave, hmm?
"Oh I got ganked, time to hike up prices again to offset my losses".
Seem's like reasonable business, no?
Everyone's entangled within a dance, all partners pulling each other along.
Huh? T1 ships trade at mineral value. No one has enough market power to actually raise their prices.
Executioners used to go for 80k, Punishers for 180k. Now they go for 300-350k, and although moving average is steadily declining, there's starting to be an upswing in buys of them again. |
Steve WingYip
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:45:00 -
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1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.
anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?
just curious
If miners were not ganked, the price of mining barges would drop so much. |
Memran
War Crime Syndicate Triumvirate.
80
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:56:00 -
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To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
:D
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20940
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content. Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else. Your character's expression is the realization dawning on him that he is about to become "content". Or, to put it a different way, you once told me what it really is, and I have forgotten. Heh I've given many reasons for Jonah's facial expression, including "I looked at /b/", "I kissed a Goon and I liked it", "You call that a spaceship?", various forum stupidity, ALODs and this. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
1000
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:04:00 -
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I think it's mostly down to the fact it can be done and it upsets people.
There are many people in online gaming looking to upset or grief others, EVE Online being the dark place that it is without rules in place to stop it (like other games) means people will go ahead and do it.
Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
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Mag's
the united
18076
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:06:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Mag's wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks. Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something. Hmmm, interesting stuff. Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it.
But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset. I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same. Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you. Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't.
It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience.
Thanks for the heads up.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:43:00 -
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1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.
anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?
just curious It's like hunting, scouting for game and observing and assessing them without alarming them and getting them b4 they log off/go mission/whatever.
Ganking is not super hard, but it's not super easy either, it does require effort and a certain ammount of skill. And that's part of the thrill, is your effort going to pay off in the form of a nice kill mail or not?
There is always the off chance that you are flying into a trap. Or if the miners have "white knights" in the belt with them you have to judge wether they will be able to stop you from performing the gank or if you can pull it off even in their presence. Ganks happen fast so if you get the idea the white knights aren't paying attention you can go for it and sometimes they are just woefully underequiped to stop ganks. Most fun is when you gank the white knights instead of the miners. :P
I'm not a fanatic ganker but I've ganked my fair share, it still get's my heart rate up whenever I hit the warp button and land on top of the target.
Does it get boring? Yes, it can get very boring, like pretty much everything else in EVE, still beats the crap out of mining though, now THAT get's boring real fast (I should know, I started my EVE career as a miner). |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8629
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:08:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mag's wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks. Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something. Hmmm, interesting stuff. Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it. But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset. I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same. Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you. Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't. It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience. Thanks for the heads up.
+1
I said the same thing to the same guy lol. He talked about "everyone having fun" or some such and I said "wow, you must be fun at a soccer game when you kick the ball into your own goal so that everyone can have fun" lol.
The truth is that some people can't deal with competative gaming yet they choose to play in competative games. The gankers are just having a grand ole time reminding them of their mistake. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8629
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:15:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:] It's like hunting
End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.
I don'thave much experience with hunting in real life, I have gone duck hunting twice and a work buddy took me bow hunting once (didn't get anything that time) so that's 3 times in my 40 years. What's incredible is that the same attitude you get from the anti ganking folks in gam is the same you get in real life from the vegan-peta-meat is murder' tree hugger types.
I evenonce heard a lady say that hunters were cowards "because bambi can't shoot back". Irecently realized that if she had played EVE she would have been saying "go to low sec if you want to pvp" LOL. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
145
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:51:00 -
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They have nothing better to do other then picking on the lowest income wage in the game. being a miner isn't about playing the game single player because that miner could be supplying their corp with goods. and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless. tanking your barge won't help because I have seen gankers use battle cruisers to prove a point. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith |
Nevil Oscillator
26
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:] It's like hunting End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.
Suicide hunting, remind me to pass on that offer. Another devious suggestion |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10123
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:00:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:] It's like hunting End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol. Suicide hunting, remind me to pass on that offer.
I take it you've never fished with dynamite? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10123
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:03:00 -
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Agondray wrote: and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless.
You've heard it here folks.
Banding together because being organized is the only way to overcome the repeated and unnecessary nerfs to your playstyle is directly equivalent to a violent, destructive terrorist group known for their penchant for sex slavery.
So, are you naturally insane, or did too much carebearing make you this way? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:07:00 -
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Agondray wrote:They have nothing better to do other then picking on the lowest income wage in the game. being a miner isn't about playing the game single player because that miner could be supplying their corp with goods. and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless. tanking your barge won't help because I have seen gankers use battle cruisers to prove a point.
I wouldn't have anything to gank if when my flashing red alt showed up in system, they took precautions and at very least aligned, This is assuming they are even at the keyboard.
Once I warp to them (takes about 10 to 20 sec to scan down a belt with a miner in it on d-scan, im not very good with it) they would warp out denying me a target.
But instead they still sit there, blissfully unaware as I approach them, bump them, ask if they are active in local, (at this point if you say your active and just talk to me I will "normally" let you go)
Then finally I overheat and BLAP! they are gone and I know that I have done good, another afk miner will get a mail from me letting them know that the active players in the game don't like it when they passively ruin our income.
And honestly your a great example of how people are out of touch with reality in this game. Your comparing a group of players who blow up miners in a pvp spaceship game with ISIS, a RL group of murders who kill real people, in very gruesome and disgusting ways.
Your ilk of afk miners once they come back make threats, offering to harm us IRL, (with threats of doing things much like the people in ISIS mind you) over a video game, and you lot call us the crazy ones.
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Nevil Oscillator
26
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I take it you've never fished with dynamite?
It's not my style
Another devious suggestion |
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