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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.23 01:29:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more. Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.
If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5Gäà profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10Gäà profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?
Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly must like the rest of us.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
178
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:02:07 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more. Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin. If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5Gäà profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10Gäà profit margin in the same time period who makes more money? Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us.
That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10165
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:11:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more. Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin. If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5Gäà profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10Gäà profit margin in the same time period who makes more money? Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us. That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank.
You don't need a local monopoly at all.
You just need to have your ear to the ground and an eye for profiting from the situation.
If, for example, I am part of a group ganking miners in Teonusude, I can put up Retrievers, survey modules and MLUs in that system at even a 15% markup compared to Rens, and people will very often buy it.
You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
198
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Posted - 2014.10.23 03:04:57 -
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IIshira wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:1upnate wrote:like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.
anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?
just curious Actually I think it's more like mowing down pedestrians for the lols, except they then sperg allover local and the forums about it afterwards in hilarious torrents of tears and accusations of psychological disorders. Wow another person that can't separate real life from Eve.... And another that has little reading comprehension.
GTA you can mow people down.... no real life needed. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6461
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Posted - 2014.10.23 03:52:10 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more. Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin. If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5Gäà profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10Gäà profit margin in the same time period who makes more money? Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly just like the rest of us. That would only work if you have a local monopoly. If you are ganking in Uedama, and the guys are buying new ships in Jita where you face massive cutthroat competition, your market share and profit margins mean you will never recoup the cost of the gank. You don't need a local monopoly at all. You just need to have your ear to the ground and an eye for profiting from the situation. If, for example, I am part of a group ganking miners in Teonusude, I can put up Retrievers, survey modules and MLUs in that system at even a 15% markup compared to Rens, and people will very often buy it. You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps. Too fatiguing to go all the way?
If they think it's hard, think about taking your carrier 40 jumps
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
58
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Posted - 2014.10.23 04:24:07 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)
LOL Poo makes me laugh.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1868
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Posted - 2014.10.23 04:55:47 -
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I don't like people who aren't playing EVE to be clogging it up and dramatically skewing market prices and economics. Therefore I kill them.
That's the appeal. I don't kill just any miner, only the botters. I sit by a miner and bump it around, make my presence known. If it leaves and comes back and still doesn't know I'm there, it's a bot. Die, vile bot!
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
58
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Posted - 2014.10.23 05:10:14 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You would be surprised at how easily you can nickel and dime people for the sake of saving a few jumps.
This is 100% true. I usually try to produce an item that is harder to get in my area. Nanobot acc are around 2 mil 3 jumps from me and 1 mill 11 jumps away. I can sell the hell out of them at 1.5 mil because it saves low sec pilots some time. My price and the 2 mil price are both high sec markets but I sell more volume more quickly by undercutting their price by a few 100 thousand and being one jump out of low. I my bpo are fully researched and the materials I use are just salvage I get from running the anom sites in my area when there aren't any good belts or exploration.
I have thought about ganking but I don't enjoy PVP and I don't consider ganking to be PVP, it's more like PVE and I am guaranteed to explode at the end. I still think about it from time to time to drive up prices but I usually play when I get home from a 12 hour day at work and don't feel like being psychopathic after a long day at work.
As to ganking, I was in the process of being bumped the other day but the guy decided to destroy my MTU, when they started shooting it I docked up and got in a PVP fit ship. When I showed up on grid they barely had time to warp off, I almost had them locked so I could get a point but they got away. To be honest it was fun. I wasn't AFK or botting or anything like that and I think by be aggressive it spiced up my night. There is nothing wrong with ganking, it is done to players for many different reasons but the only reason that really matters is that it is fun to the person doing it. Just like mining is sometimes fun to me, of course I like to occasionally mine in low just for a bit more fun.
Content is content no matter what side of the explosion you are on and if you don't like it then do something about it or just suck it up buttercup.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:10:41 -
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The essence of what I am saying in a couple of threads.
In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up.
No problem with blowing up ships but pods in hi-sec on disposable alts when you are not flagged and not even doing anything?
No mate that is where i am calling out ccp on the game design, and the morons that do it.
I am no longer pve in this game, pure pvp only and yeah maybe i should have done this years ago.
I'll fund this myself without pve from now on.
The lovely CODE
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369214
This is unrelated but I was hinting at driving newbs out the game.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381122&find=unread
krysti out.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10167
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:16:56 -
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Krysti wrote:The essence of what I am saying in a couple of threads.
In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up.
No problem with blowing up ships but pods in hi-sec on disposable alts when you are not flagged and not even doing anything?
Eh, even the guys who sell implants gotta make a living. Pods make my killboard and their market spreadsheets more green. Win/win for everybody but the silly git who was afk.
But then, pretty much everything you do in EVE Online comes at someone else's expense anyway, whether you realize it or not. Might as well enjoy it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
359
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:41:37 -
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Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Krysti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:50:37 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else?
Why don't you try shooting something that can actually shoot you back?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
179
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:17:37 -
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Krysti wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else? Why don't you try shooting something that can actually shoot you back?
Because #effort
Because #fail
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
202
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:30:34 -
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Krysti wrote:Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.
It's very easy to say carebear cry baby, the game is hard, and itGÇÖs the economy...
How about saying letGÇÖs make a meaningful game?
The point for me is that these low life morons lose nothing, they use cheap ships with disposable alts, they have no challenge and yet, can cost someone billions and more important to me cost me time to set up again in the game.
All I can do in return is make the killright public.
I can tell you 100 percent it is far safer to play the game generally now in null, something that I ironically found very boring.
So try hi-sec again, FW is great, log into an old alt do some mining and bang.
So you now have a game full of idiots killing soft targets in hi-sec and cosy null bears making money in null.
Somewhere there is a design flaw, yeah and lock that other thread the guy was "ranting" about this.
In BRAVE we have this agreement among ourselves that we stay classy. With posts like this one it becomes almost impossible to remain classy.
You actually went AFK in a 2 bil pod, get blown up, then come and complain about in in GD and to top it off call the ganker a moron. I have but one question for you. Re-reading your own post ... who was the moron in this situation?
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WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:52:30 -
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Krysti wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else? Why don't you try shooting something that can actually shoot you back?
99,99% of the fights in this game are one sided, why do you think high sec should be different? I don't like code and their stinky roleplay but posts like yours make me think.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2721
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:47:23 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Krysti wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else? Why don't you try shooting something that can actually shoot you back? Because #effort Because #fail and most of all Because #cowardice
They could shoot back if they stopped being afk.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:31:28 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Krysti wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Krysti wrote:In that people who pod for no reason are idiots, no reason means not flagged or doing anything stupid like hauling in a T1 industrial on auto. yeah afk for 10 minutes was soooo wrong - grow up. Shooting pixels in a game is soooo wrong - grow up. If you don't like competitive games then maybe play something else? Why don't you try shooting something that can actually shoot you back? Because #effort Because #fail and most of all Because #cowardice They could shoot back if they stopped being afk.
Because #effort
Because #fail
and most of all Because #cowardiceentitlement
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6000
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:32:56 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no he isnt Rp=/=reality .
That equation was never proved. well the voices are inclined to agree with you but the doctors dont
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
250
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:36:55 -
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why not ?
you do harm to someone else and **** them off. it can be fun.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:04:06 -
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1upnate wrote: ... anyone know the appeal of ganking miners? ...
There is certainly some appeal in seeing the ganked come onto the forums and provide tears...
Would you like to know more?
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2724
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:17:04 -
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That brings up a good point gank the entitlement out of the miners.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:28:03 -
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Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game. |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:30:37 -
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Didn't want Delve anyway amirite?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6521
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:35:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game.
Not as hard as you might think. Just throw the proverbial dart at the board and whichever character it hits is sure enough to be one of the entitled. Miner, mission runner, high, low, null, sov, pirate, pvp, pve, ad infinitum. If it's a character, then it has an entitled player behind it.
Mr Epeen
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2724
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:41:53 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game.
It's a blue goatse not a donut so what does that make you?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:52:37 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game. It's a blue goatse not a donut so what does that make you?
You got me....how much would it cost me for you to get me into Goonwaffe with all the other superstars? 350 mil? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:54:31 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game. It's a blue goatse not a donut so what does that make you? You got me....how much would it cost me for you to get me into Goonwaffe with all the other superstars? 350 mil?
That's a pretty penny ante offer considering how you puff yourself up about how badass you are at Incursions.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2725
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:59:10 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game. It's a blue goatse not a donut so what does that make you? You got me....how much would it cost me for you to get me into Goonwaffe with all the other superstars? 350 mil?
I told you already you aren't allowed to join. We have enough horrible pubbies already.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:59:27 -
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I actually googled that and now I feel a little sick to my stomach.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:01:13 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or maybe gank the entitlement out of the corrupt blue donut nullsec powerblocks. *cough* Goons *cough.* Because it's real tough to spot the actual entitled people in the game. It's a blue goatse not a donut so what does that make you? You got me....how much would it cost me for you to get me into Goonwaffe with all the other superstars? 350 mil? That's a pretty penny ante offer considering how you puff yourself up about how badass you are at Incursions.
Supply and Demand bro. Just cuz u r rich no mean ya gotta pay moah. |
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