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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.10.20 00:56:45 -
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This ship is horrible for PvP in Eve.
I can understand a battleship pointing me at 70km (sort of).
I can understand a cruiser pointing me at 70km (......sort of).
I cannot fathom why a frigate should be able to point 70km, move at 8km/s, and apply 150 dps through that range.
This ship (combined with links) is about as close to pay to win as you can get. It never should have been introduced to the game. Since it is, what should be done about it? I say gut the point range, so that the larger ships point farther than the smaller ones.
With this ship, there is only one reason to bring an interceptor: cost. On that note, funny how they took a wrecking ball to the LML Crow and Malediction for doing exactly what the Garmur does, about three times worse.
But hey, what do I know about balance. |
Damen Apol
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
69
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:16:17 -
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Garmurs suck outside of a solo context tbh.
Their cap lasts like a minute and a half if they're holding point and moving that fast.
Solo fight? Yea that's going to last the entire fight, but in a larger setting it's pretty negligible.
You're really not wrong about a Garmur basically being a pre-nerf Crow with more dps and shittier capacitor though. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
717
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:55:04 -
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Damen Apol wrote:Garmurs suck outside of a solo context tbh.
Their cap lasts like a minute and a half if they're holding point and moving that fast.
Solo fight? Yea that's going to last the entire fight, but in a larger setting it's pretty negligible.
You're really not wrong about a Garmur basically being a pre-nerf Crow with more dps and shittier capacitor though.
eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
but yea outside of solo, and very small gang, it isn't all that bad.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
249
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:44:58 -
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100% agree
needs nerf.
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Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:04:11 -
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Agree too, make the range bonus scale with the ship size, bs get 70km, cruiser 55ish, frig 35ish. |
Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
8
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:35:20 -
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I kill Garmurs every week with a 2m isk fast Atron and a corpmate in DPS or ewar frig.. nerf Atron please |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
772
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:36:31 -
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Argument lost all credibility when you said Garmur is "pay to win".
No Worries
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5969
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:08:19 -
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Phaade wrote: (combined with links)
^^ this is what you're actually experiencing, links need addressing, it's just particularly obvious with the Garmur. I know because everyone in my Corp has a booster/scanning/cloaky scout alt either in system with them or in the system they're about to be in pretty much at all times, because it's too good not to.
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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
1469
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:29:01 -
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Kind of like poorly placed apostrophes.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
62
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:00:23 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up. |
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
361
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:33:37 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up.
FLy a hookbil, 5 mids, should have one spare for a dampener, eh? Oh would you LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST CUT HIS ENGAGEMENT RANGE INTO HALF! DAAAAYUMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUMNNNN!!!!! |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
62
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:07:36 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up. FLy a hookbil, 5 mids, should have one spare for a dampener, eh? Oh would you LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST CUT HIS ENGAGEMENT RANGE INTO HALF! DAAAAYUMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUMNNNN!!!!!
too bad he can get closer and still cozily outrun hookbill missiles
dayum, dayum.
On a general note, the fact that a ship can be countered somehow, doesn't mean that ship isn't a great example of really poor planning on CCP part |
Damen Apol
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
69
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:33:43 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up. FLy a hookbil, 5 mids, should have one spare for a dampener, eh? Oh would you LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST CUT HIS ENGAGEMENT RANGE INTO HALF! DAAAAYUMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUMNNNN!!!!! too bad he can get closer and still cozily outrun hookbill missiles dayum, dayum. On a general note, the fact that a ship can be countered somehow, doesn't mean that ship isn't a great example of really poor planning on CCP part
Too bad at 8km/s it's a pretty simple mistake away from being slingshotted into scram range |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
134
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:35:22 -
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arent you dead by then? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1335
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:44:30 -
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Damen Apol wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up. FLy a hookbil, 5 mids, should have one spare for a dampener, eh? Oh would you LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST CUT HIS ENGAGEMENT RANGE INTO HALF! DAAAAYUMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUMNNNN!!!!! too bad he can get closer and still cozily outrun hookbill missiles dayum, dayum. On a general note, the fact that a ship can be countered somehow, doesn't mean that ship isn't a great example of really poor planning on CCP part Too bad at 8km/s it's a pretty simple mistake away from being slingshotted into scram range
How much momentum does he have to get back out of it tho? I'm not familiar with getting scrammwed while MWDing so how close to a hand-brake does it feels? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
717
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:11:35 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eft says 53% cap stable with a Domi point and gistii a-type 1mn mwd, lock range seems to be the biggest issue.
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Ionic field projector, sensor booster, info links, there's plenty to get that lock range up.
heh didn't realize one of the info links added lock range.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
361
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Posted - 2014.10.20 22:18:22 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
How much momentum does he have to get back out of it tho? I'm not familiar with getting scrammwed while MWDing so how close to a hand-brake does it feels?
momentum isn't worth that much, especially when you can't mwd and your opponent can. So either you run with a defensive scram, too, or you run with tank.
In either way, being forced into close ranges at high velocities leaves little room for failure. If you see a Garmur, get that Damp going.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1154
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Posted - 2014.10.21 01:45:33 -
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This thread is about my garmur.
Rather than try and kill me he would rather whine on the forums.
GG.
Theres actually fairly hard counters to garmur, but people like this dont care. If they cant hit approact and F! they really think something is broken! |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
266
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:16:27 -
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Links are the problem, not Garmurs. Offgrid links are still so goddamn overpowered...
Nerf links, buff drugs! |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
316
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:08:48 -
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Garmurs are OP as fuk I see those when im on my FW alt and I just hightail it, not even going to mess with that However i must admit im a huge fan of the Orthrus, being able to put out 700+ DPS with RLM's at 50kms while going 3k with a decent shield tank is very very nice.
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2014.10.21 17:54:53 -
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I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.
knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready. |
Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux Irresponsible Use of Capital.
1326
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:18:27 -
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Considering 98% of Garmur pilots are pants on head r3tarded and don't fit scrams, all you need is a ship faster than them to catch and kill them. If I can tackle a linked Garmur in a Moa, you can do it in a frigate.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
361
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Posted - 2014.10.21 22:27:13 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.
knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready.
There's a mobile mjd deployable?
... so many possibilites...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5972
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Posted - 2014.10.22 02:47:42 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Considering 98% of Garmur pilots are pants on head r3tarded and don't fit scrams, all you need is a ship faster than them to catch and kill them. If I can tackle a linked Garmur in a Moa, you can do it in a frigate. i fought one off in an ishkur(didnt kill it ), they aint all that.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
702
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Posted - 2014.10.22 04:15:10 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Stitch Kaneland wrote:I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.
knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready. There's a mobile mjd deployable? ... so many possibilites...
Yeap, you can also bring a mobile depot + 1 stab and refit the stab and just peace out. The garmur doesn't have enough dps to kill the mobile depot before it onlines. |
Sigras
Conglomo
962
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Posted - 2014.10.22 09:26:49 -
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Phaade wrote:This ship is horrible for PvP in Eve.
I can understand a battleship pointing me at 70km (sort of).
I can understand a cruiser pointing me at 70km (......sort of).
I cannot fathom why a frigate should be able to point 70km, move at 8km/s, and apply 150 dps through that range.
This ship (combined with links) is about as close to pay to win as you can get. It never should have been introduced to the game. Since it is, what should be done about it? I say gut the point range, so that the larger ships point farther than the smaller ones.
With this ship, there is only one reason to bring an interceptor: cost. On that note, funny how they took a wrecking ball to the LML Crow and Malediction for doing exactly what the Garmur does, about three times worse.
But hey, what do I know about balance. apparently nothing because you're complaining about fighting a 2v1 and losing.
The problem is as it always has been, with off grid links.
You're also exaggerating the point as the number you quote is only possible if they have the best warp disruptor in the game fit to their ship with a perfect claymore/sleipnir/eos/astarte in local with the implant giving them gang boosts, and are using overheat. |
Sigras
Conglomo
962
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Posted - 2014.10.22 09:29:18 -
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Odithia wrote:Agree too, make the range bonus scale with the ship size, bs get 70km, cruiser 55ish, frig 35ish. you realize an unbonused ship given his conditions is capable of warp disrupting at 47.4 right? |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
405
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Posted - 2014.10.22 10:21:05 -
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Well if you're abusing links, try abusing a rapier/huginn/hyena. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2139
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Posted - 2014.10.22 11:02:23 -
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slightly related: is there a way of getting 150 cap stable tank on a viable frigate fit?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings." -MXZF
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Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
1178
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Posted - 2014.10.22 17:05:42 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:Garmurs are OP as fuk I see those when im on my FW alt and I just hightail it, not even going to mess with that However i must admit im a huge fan of the Orthrus, being able to put out 700+ DPS with RLM's at 50kms while going 3k with a decent shield tank is very very nice.
I too think it's funny how the op is crying about the garmur, when the orthrus can put out 700 dps at 67km while doing 5km/s with a buffer shield tank, and absolutely **** any frigate that gets close and doesn't even want to engage. Most pirate ships are a bit ridiculous though, with top end links and some implants. |
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