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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:29:00 -
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Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:43:00 -
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..or to make 'unpredictable' changes they could, you know, ditch missile tracking signature |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2014.10.20 04:41:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?
Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper - The Fate of Forum Alts - Click me! Click me! |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2014.10.20 05:00:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE. I'm not holding my breath... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:28:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE. Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:31:00 -
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What did I miss?
What are these glass cannons you're talking about? |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:45:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?
I think that by far the safest thing to infer is that players will wildly speculate and start acting with a victim complex based on next to no concrete information. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:02:00 -
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at eve vegas they "spoilered" some kind of new weapon system that hits like a truck but drops your resists to 0...
Now i want to know if they'll do a smartbomb version! (the hilarity of a 0 resist to own damage type piebombing fleet is just hilarious to me) |
Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:38:00 -
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Has there any actual mentioning of the new weapons being new variants of existing weapons or an entirely new weapons group, that just requires extreme specialization in existing weapons to unlock? It would make more sense, since I can't see how a missile system or autocannon/artillery system would make sense with the proposed mechanic. I realize gameplay comes before lore and all that, but if it is something entirely new, they would both mesh better and I've read nothing to exclude that possibility. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:52:00 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:Has there any actual mentioning of the new weapons being new variants of existing weapons or an entirely new weapons group, that just requires extreme specialization in existing weapons to unlock? It would make more sense, since I can't see how a missile system or autocannon/artillery system would make sense with the proposed mechanic. I realize gameplay comes before lore and all that, but if it is something entirely new, they would both mesh better and I've read nothing to exclude that possibility.
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Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:06:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE.
Or you could do the same reasonable thing as everyone, look at the precedent (Attack battlecruisers, 1 for each race), see that they skipped missiles in favour of two hybrid boats, and realize there's a decent chance there will not be a missile boat, considering the flak missile boats often get for pvp, as unwarranted as it may be.
Something with the mordu's missile speed bonus would be really nice, as opposed to yet another railgun oriented ship that piddles out a couple damage per volley. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:10:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE. Or you could do the same reasonable thing as everyone, look at the precedent (Attack battlecruisers, 1 for each race), see that they skipped missiles in favour of two hybrid boats, and realize there's a decent chance there will not be a missile boat, considering the flak missile boats often get for pvp, as unwarranted as it may be. Something with the mordu's missile speed bonus would be really nice, as opposed to yet another railgun oriented ship that piddles out a couple damage per volley. It's a weapon, not a ship. Infact it's a T2 compatible faction priced weapon. So no, you're not being profound. |
Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned Ace of Spades.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:22:00 -
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I'm speculateing since its basicly a "meta" adjustment the glassy weapons (wouldn't it be cool if they actually would be see trough) would exist for all shapes and sizes. I wonder if there will be glass drones ? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:40:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?
The first of the ABC had the Naga as a Torpedo/Cruise Missile boat. And after overwhelming disagreement, CCP changed it to a long range rail platform. If I remember it correctly, one of the arguments against it was that it would put out insane DPS, higher than the Talos today. Application problems with missiles were another mentioned problem, which would hamper the missile damage in some situations.
I doubt that this (opinion and damage application) has changed a lot in recent times. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:04:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? The first of the ABC had the Naga as a Torpedo/Cruise Missile boat. And after overwhelming disagreement, CCP changed it to a long range rail platform. If I remember it correctly, one of the arguments against it was that it would put out insane DPS, higher than the Talos today. Application problems with missiles were another mentioned problem, which would hamper the missile damage in some situations. I doubt that this (opinion and damage application) has changed a lot in recent times.
The cruise missile changes would probably make a Cruise Naga viable. Also, RHML's might work.
I would freaking love a Navy Issue Naga that was missile based.
Say: 5% bonus to Cruise, Torpedo and Heavy missile damage 10% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo missile explosion radius
Role bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity 50% penalty to missile flight time |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:15:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?
You could train some Gunnery skills then you will not be left out.... You all ways have the ability to cross train into something new. People that don't change and adapt get left behind while the rest of us have all the fun. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:26:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:What did I miss?
What are these glass cannons you're talking about? maybe this? |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:12:00 -
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Tappits wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? You could train some Gunnery skills then you will not be left out.... You all ways have the ability to cross train into something new. People that don't change and adapt get left behind while the rest of us have all the fun.
You mean like how everyone adapted and trained up missiles and didnt cry like little girls until they were nerfed?
You're still right about cross training though, still it would be nice to have a reason to fit missiles other than nostalgic value. |
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:36:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? The first of the ABC had the Naga as a Torpedo/Cruise Missile boat. And after overwhelming disagreement, CCP changed it to a long range rail platform. If I remember it correctly, one of the arguments against it was that it would put out insane DPS, higher than the Talos today. Application problems with missiles were another mentioned problem, which would hamper the missile damage in some situations. I doubt that this (opinion and damage application) has changed a lot in recent times. The cruise missile changes would probably make a Cruise Naga viable. Also, RHML's might work. I would freaking love a Navy Issue Naga that was missile based. Say: 5% bonus to Cruise, Torpedo and Heavy missile damage 10% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo missile explosion radius Role bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity 50% penalty to missile flight time
That would be pretty damn powerful. A 50% bonus to explosion radius is huuuuuuuge bonus to application, enough so that blapping would be a thing. If it had 8 launchers and using cruise missiles you could do c. 1000dps with a c. 8000 volley using cruise missiles, out to a 200km+ range, with perfect damage selection, with missiles having an explosion radius of about 140. With some rigor rigs you could probably get in sub 100m. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:05:00 -
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And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better -»\_(pâä)_/-» go figure |
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2014.10.21 00:53:34 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better... That's because... it is.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.10.21 02:13:30 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better -»\_(pâä)_/-» go figure
Maybe comparing a faction boat to a pirate boat might have something to do with it?
Moving on, I still stand by my opinion that undoing that missile tracking thing will not be the end of EVE.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.21 07:15:27 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:And yet my cruise navy raven is still feeling lackluster to my machariel despite doing more damage at range and better... That's because... it is.
Actually it's the overkill and juggling painters that is the root of that particular issue.
I run a mach with a 4/3 gun split minimizing overkill and allowing me to splash frigates two at a time. The CNR kills the big stuff faster, but for most uses there is about a 70/30 split of small/big stuff so the gun boats pull ahead.
I've actually found excellent success with a missile/gun boat dual box combo, but I digress. |
Mharius Skjem
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.21 22:02:19 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? Or you could do the reasonable thing and assume it's just a figure of speech and that there will be one for all the classic highslot weapons systems, like everyone else in EVE. Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing.
Missiles and drones get the shaft all of the time because they cause lag in large fleet fights, it's sad really as an incoming missile should make you **** bricks as opposed to incoming bullets, especially as some missiles are supposed to be nuke equivalents.
Fix the lag ccp, don't nerf the missiles. I had 5.5 million sp in missiles, now I don't even fit them. ******* waste.
A recovering btter vet, -áwith a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.10.21 23:45:18 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:[ ... Missiles and drones get the shaft all of the time because they cause lag in large fleet fights, it's sad really as an incoming missile should make you **** bricks as opposed to incoming bullets, especially as some missiles are supposed to be nuke equivalents.
Fix the lag ccp, don't nerf the missiles. I had 5.5 million sp in missiles, now I don't even fit them. ******* waste.
I hear you and I am advocation for the revenge of the missiles for a very long time now but everytime I do there are not much folks speaking up with me.
But I do keep fighting the windmill (est. 2007 by e2)Gäó
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Moraguth
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2014.10.22 00:05:21 -
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Don't we already have glass cannon missile boats? I like to call them Stealth Bombers.
okay okay, i'm going already. IT WAS JUST A JOKE, C'MON!
I got a Feature Added!
Stop calling an Abaddon "abba-dawn". It is "uh-bad-in"
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:45:36 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:Well the last time we got glass cannon ships we didn't get a missile version, so if you're a missile specialist it's entirely reasonable to fear a repeat of what happened. Maybe even more so, since the missile tier 3 BC did exist, but it was scrapped after testing. CCP can't figure out why it's so hard to balance different sizes of missile ships. It couldn't possibly be that torpedo DPS has been way too high for like the last fifteen expansions. No, it has to be the ships themselves...
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.10.22 11:58:08 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft?
OP, you're already out of date, go looking in the test server forum, missile launchers are included with the new "glass cannons".
This thread is now officially pointless. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:02:28 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Since there was absolutely no mention or reference to missiles with the new "glass cannons"GǪ Can we infer that missile users are once again getting the shaft? OP, you're already out of date, go looking in the test server forum, missile launchers are included with the new "glass cannons". This thread is now officially pointless.
Cept for the fact that missiles are just bad. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:18:15 -
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You can close this now.... There are glass cannon missiles mods so no need to emo about it anymore. |
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