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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:21:00 -
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Did not see a thread, but this is coming in i think it was announced for Rhea? Anyway, its essentially a queue that you can set your known spy or awoer in your corp, so at DT it will auto kick them. A nice change OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4052
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:25:00 -
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It may not be at DT. It may be 'next time they dock or disconnect'
The example given involved what's currently possible, where an awoxer remains in space (unkickable), stays logged in till downtime (where they disconnect) and the director isn't faster than them logging in (while they're disconnected, hence kickable) to kick them, so they're back in space, and unkickable.
Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1129
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:29:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:It may not be at DT. It may be 'next time they dock or disconnect'
The example given involved what's currently possible, where an awoxer remains in space (unkickable), stays logged in till downtime (where they disconnect) and the director isn't faster than them logging in (while they're disconnected, hence kickable) to kick them, so they're back in space, and unkickable.
yea i kinda figured thats what was ment. And its a feature i love OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5499
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:32:00 -
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As an Australian player, I would like to take the opportunity to remind CCP that DT is evil and must be stopped!
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5499
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:35:00 -
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CCP Fozzie confirms that it is indeed linked specifically to DT for technical reasons: https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/524085696974553088
If there's someone at CCP working on unlinking the corp-kick-queue from DT (and, say, linking it to session changes or logout) and would work faster with more pizza, please contact me
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4053
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:48:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:CCP Fozzie confirms that it is indeed linked specifically to DT for technical reasons: https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/524085696974553088If there's someone at CCP working on unlinking the corp-kick-queue from DT (and, say, linking it to session changes or logout) and would work faster with more pizza, please contact me
My mistake then Teachs me right for reading more into it than was there. Dratted 'Technical issues' spoiling all our fun.
(I did say may. I'm holding onto that) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:53:00 -
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oh look, the rage of the few actually went places.
once.
let's not let it go places for real again, k? A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg |
Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:05:00 -
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:oh look, the rage of the few actually went places. once. let's not let it go places for real again, k? More like sensible argumentation and common sense went places once again and more of it please. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
329
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:30:00 -
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Well about time, some of these improvements make me wonder "what has taken so long". |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:34:00 -
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I like this ... but DT is enough.
Awoxers wanna have their fun too. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 09:36:00 -
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Screw awoxers. They have 23.5 hours which is enough. Corps should have a way to recover without the sort of corp camping nonsense that goes on. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:59:00 -
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:oh look, the rage of the few actually went places. once. let's not let it go places for real again, k?
ok ok offtopic here!
What happend to you? Seen god or what? |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:13:00 -
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While this will make extorting a corp for isk to make me leave hard, Ill just have to switch up to joining corps with shiny ships and ransom the ships instead of the corp as a whole.
Its a shame when CCP helps remove consequences of CEO's and Recruiters choices in who they recruit, or their blind recruitment of obvious awoxers. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:24:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:While this will make extorting a corp for isk to make me leave hard, Ill just have to switch up to joining corps with shiny ships and ransom the ships instead of the corp as a whole.
Its a shame when CCP helps remove consequences of CEO's and Recruiters choices in who they recruit, or their blind recruitment of obvious awoxers. They're not. You're just talking out of your ass.
There's a difference between removing consequences ... ... and removing your ability to annoy people infinitely long ... ... which actually means that they remove your ability to stay in corp infinitely ... ... without any consequences.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:36:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:While this will make extorting a corp for isk to make me leave hard, Ill just have to switch up to joining corps with shiny ships and ransom the ships instead of the corp as a whole.
Its a shame when CCP helps remove consequences of CEO's and Recruiters choices in who they recruit, or their blind recruitment of obvious awoxers. They're not. You're just talking out of your ass. There's a difference between removing consequences ... ... and removing your ability to annoy people infinitely long ... ... which actually means that they remove your ability to stay in corp infinitely ... ... without any consequences.
I don't want to annoy people infinitely long, I want to be paid. Now that is no longer an option. So the members will have to make payment for their shiny ships instead of the corp making payment to get rid of me.
Which again as I said is fine. I don't mind either way. However if the CEO and Recruitment officers did their job, it wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11098
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:46:00 -
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I understand that, tbh.
When they know you will be kicked anyway, they won't pay anything.
So I guess what's left is to wait to the proper moment and killing whatever they have that's worth killing... or stealing it, of course.
I guess there's the issue with people who are being paid ... ... and still refuse to leave corp.
The only thing that's left in such a case is to drop corp ... ... which is a sad option, because then the awoxxer will own it.
Hmpf. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:51:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I understand that, tbh.
When they know you will be kicked anyway, they won't pay anything.
So I guess what's left is to wait to the proper moment and killing whatever they have that's worth killing... or stealing it, of course.
I guess there's the issue with people who are being paid ... ... and still refuse to leave corp.
The only thing that's left in such a case is to drop corp ... ... which is a sad option, because then the awoxxer will own it.
Hmpf.
In my experience, the type of corps I join and extort or awox shouldn't exist in the first place.
The CEO is either too new to know whats what in eve or Its a vet who is taking advantage of new players. If not for me now, they would find someone else later that would do worse.
And honestly in most cases the best thing that corp could do is close its doors and the members could move onto a corp that will support and take care of them, instead of bleed them dry and abuse them. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:55:00 -
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There are many of these corps.
I wardecced one of these so called new player friendly corps myself. The CEO even sits in a rookie system. He does exactly what one expects.
Run a big mouth and not teaching the players properly. Sadly there is nothing that can be done against these people. A few noobs dropped corp after I killed things ... ... and I even sent a mail to all of them explaining the situation.
In the end, though, nothing changes.
Most people in thag corp don't even log in anymore. I blame him, tbh, because one can certainly make people hooked to the game ...
... but not as stupid carebear CEO. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:08:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:CCP Fozzie confirms that it is indeed linked specifically to DT for technical reasons: https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/524085696974553088If there's someone at CCP working on unlinking the corp-kick-queue from DT (and, say, linking it to session changes or logout) and would work faster with more pizza, please contact me That would be me! The initial version of the auto-kick will run on cluster start-up because it is the one time point when we can be certain that the kick will always succeed. Now that we (soon) will have the mechanism for adding characters to the auto-kick queue, we can then look at processing the queue at other occasions - either periodically, or on event (such as dock). The current planned behaviour is the one that has the minimal design change, and hence is the easiest one to start with. From there we can look at the general gameplay around changing corps whilst in space, as this starts to become a more complex issue with more interactions that need consideration.
BTW linking it directly to logout wouldn't necessarily solve the requirement of getting rid of someone who doesn't want to leave, because a] they can just not log out, much as they don't do already, and b] even when they do, their ship is still in space for some time. If you've managed to catch a war-target and they can use this feature to logoffski with a kick-queue, you don't want their ship to suddenly leave the corp and become a non-legal target. This is the sort of thing I mean where we'll need to take a look at the overall gameplay around joining/leaving corps whilst in space.
And yes, we're fully aware of the problems that DT causes, particularly for players in timezones such as yours. This is the sort of thing we have in mind when we do things like fix up sig IDs to stay consistent over downtime. We are trying to tackle this on three fronts: 1) Make downtimes shorter 2) Make downtimes less painful (eg preserving sig IDs) 3) And ultimately trying to get rid of them as a daily occurrence I believe we're making decent progress on 1 and 2. Work on part 3 is still ongoing "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11100
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:11:00 -
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What about awoxxers who will lose a part of their playstyle because of this? I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:27:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:What about awoxxers who will lose a part of their playstyle because of this?
We will adapt, Its all good, more then one way to skin a cat. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1331
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:37:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:What about awoxxers who will lose a part of their playstyle because of this?
You have up to 23.5 hours once you ahve been identified to do damage. I really do see any argument which made sense for the downtime kick dance required to get rid of someone who was identified as dealing damage to the corp. Hell if you manage to really chose a good target, you might get more time while they figure WTF is going on anyway. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10120
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:47:00 -
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Yeah, I saw that one too.
The issue I have with this is that it makes awoxing harder in a lot of ephemeral ways.
It basically removes the long term threat an awoxer represents. With 100% surety. Now all you have available to you is the initial attack, and then they dock up til downtime. Which has a far more harsh effect on people in some timezones than in others, by the way.
So, since we're buffing highsec safety still further by nerfing the currently best way to actually get at people without the loathsome presence of CONCORD, how about we look at fixing the dec dodge exploit finally? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11103
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:18:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:What about awoxxers who will lose a part of their playstyle because of this? You have up to 23.5 hours once you ahve been identified to do damage. I really do see any argument which made sense for the downtime kick dance required to get rid of someone who was identified as dealing damage to the corp. Hell if you manage to really chose a good target, you might get more time while they figure WTF is going on anyway. That's only half of it.
Ransoms against corps are completely gone with the kickmechanic, because they just need to wait until next downtime.
I don't oppose the idea of the mechanics itself, but ransoms to leave the corp are gone with it.
That's legitimate income.
And worse, if CCP extends this to other opportunities, awoxxing will be reduced to mere shooting of corp"mates".
They are removing a part of the playstyle and I believe they should be made aware of that.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11103
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Also... it's not 23.5 hours. That's far from reality and only true on paper, which is irrelevant.
For this to be true, targets would have to be logged in right after downtime, which isn't happening for the majority of players.
Also a fact is that there is a TZ issue here. Awoxxing Australians will become more common compared to europeans or people from the US, simply because of the distances to DT.
Except for australians awoxxing australians, I'd say a more realistic timeframe (+/- 2h) is 15h max. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:45:00 -
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Can someone remind me why they wouldn't just allow immediate kicks?
What technical reasons cause a kick to fail? |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:46:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:Can someone remind me why they wouldn't just allow immediate kicks?
What technical reasons cause a kick to fail?
I agree lets do this! immediate kicks ftw!!
Until, I join my own corp, wardec your corp then right as you go about shooting at me I kick my alt from your corp and you get concorded. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:51:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:Gospadin wrote:Can someone remind me why they wouldn't just allow immediate kicks?
What technical reasons cause a kick to fail? I agree lets do this! immediate kicks ftw!! Until, I join my own corp, wardec your corp then right as you go about shooting at me I kick my alt from your corp and you get concorded.
Okay, so queue for the expiration of a limited engagement.
Is there another hole? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
724
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:02:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:While this will make extorting a corp for isk to make me leave hard, Ill just have to switch up to joining corps with shiny ships and ransom the ships instead of the corp as a whole.
Its a shame when CCP helps remove consequences of CEO's and Recruiters choices in who they recruit, or their blind recruitment of obvious awoxers. They're not. You're just talking out of your ass. There's a difference between removing consequences ... ... and removing your ability to annoy people infinitely long ... ... which actually means that they remove your ability to stay in corp infinitely ... ... without any consequences.
And some corps will keep an awoxer around to shoot at since corp members can do that. |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:11:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:While this will make extorting a corp for isk to make me leave hard, Ill just have to switch up to joining corps with shiny ships and ransom the ships instead of the corp as a whole.
Its a shame when CCP helps remove consequences of CEO's and Recruiters choices in who they recruit, or their blind recruitment of obvious awoxers. They're not. You're just talking out of your ass. There's a difference between removing consequences ... ... and removing your ability to annoy people infinitely long ... ... which actually means that they remove your ability to stay in corp infinitely ... ... without any consequences. And some corps will keep an awoxer around to shoot at since corp members can do that.
That has never happened to me before, it would be an interesting turn of events, but I suspect that is because my targets are of the, lets ignore this is a pvp game and recruit anyone blindly without and thought put into it at all. |
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