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Quutar
Caldari
M3rcs Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:48:00 -
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A pirate complains that people using instas avoids his gate camp... He is in empire, so can't bubble. His solution, the entire gate camp has 10,000 bookmarks each in thier cargo hold. So when a mark warps to a gate... they lag out for 3-4 minutes... long enuf to get popped before they can react and activate the gate.
To me... this sounds like an exploit.
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:49:00 -
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It is.
Please petition it either in game or using the Ask a Question feature to your left.
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Ms Muneca
AYDS
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:11:00 -
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Wow, that's pretty lame. 
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Arkani Gera
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:42:00 -
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i'm just curious on how you know they all had 10k bms in their cargo holds, unless you're part of the camp that is?
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Zetaa
Amarr
7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:12:00 -
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What system is he in?
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Miho Aokii
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:23:00 -
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So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
Yes. In fact, even a relatively small number of empty cans sitting outside a POS to induce lag is considered an exploit.
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Skybar
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
"So does this mean that the issue of .....anything...... to lag out"
I belive those words make it quite obvious what should be considered as an exploit.
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Misha Mosqito
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Arkani Gera
i'm just curious on how you know they all had 10k bms in their cargo holds, unless you're part of the camp that is?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.18 04:16:00 -
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Wouldnt it literally take DAYS to make 10k bms?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.18 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Wouldnt it literally take DAYS to make 10k bms?
yes, and can't you only have 1000 different items in a cargo bay/hangar?
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Karille
Lordless
Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 06:00:00 -
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are you telling me that i'm making other people lag around me when i carry my can of bookmarks from place to place, or is he talking about dropping those bookmarks one at a time in a jetcan or something, i'd hate to think that just having them in my hold is making people lag
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Hertford
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
It is.
Please petition it either in game or using the Ask a Question feature to your left.
And how exactly would one go about "proving" this? Not many people fit cargo scanners, and if you get hit by the big bad Lag Monster in such a case, how would you even manage to obtain a cargo scan?
Or is it just a case of petitioning about obscene amounts of lag, and hoping the CCP Staff actually investigate?
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migwar
Karnival of Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.18 10:48:00 -
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Am I being a noob, but i fail to see any legitimate reason for BM's to be in cans at all?
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.18 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
Am I being a noob, but i fail to see any legitimate reason for BM's to be in cans at all?
people store and trade bm in cans. i know i have several regions in cans in a station.
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Francesca Dell'Agio
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 11:48:00 -
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So, how is this classed as exploit, and different from a POS with a bunch of ships around it in space each filled with insta's just like the OP's scenario - which is not classed as exploit?
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.08.18 11:51:00 -
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Intentionally generating lag is considered an exploit.
Leaving cans full of bms to lag out somone warping to a gate falls under this definition.
Having ships/cans full of them stored at a POS "might" also do so, it depends on if the owners can justify them being there or not.
Again just another evil of bookmarks in eve tbh.
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Francesca Dell'Agio
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
Yes. In fact, even a relatively small number of empty cans sitting outside a POS to induce lag is considered an exploit.
Not according to a few petitions I had recently ...
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.08.18 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 18/08/2006 12:25:52
It is an exploit to do it to create lag. But if the pirate happens to have 10,000 BMs in his cargo hold that he was going to trade to his friend on thursday when he logs on, it's fine. Same with the PoS thing. If they just have 100 shuttles with BM sets they say is for BM distribution, it's not an exploit. If they say they did it to create lag, it is.
Of course people who would lag/break a game to win (akin to knocking over the monopoly board because you're losing), are going to be the type who will be honest when asked their intent, right? :P
I think it's clear that in the case of 10k BMs by a pirate at a gatecamp, or 20k BMs in shuttles at a PoS, their intent is obvious, but it seems people are skiddish about calling them on it.
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Francesca Dell'Agio
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 18/08/2006 12:25:52
It is an exploit to do it to create lag. But if the pirate happens to have 10,000 BMs in his cargo hold that he was going to trade to his friend on thursday when he logs on, it's fine. Same with the PoS thing. If they just have 100 shuttles with BM sets they say is for BM distribution, it's not an exploit. If they say they did it to create lag, it is.
Of course people who would lag/break a game to win (akin to knocking over the monopoly board because you're losing), are going to be the type who will be honest when asked their intent, right? :P
I think it's clear that in the case of 10k BMs by a pirate at a gatecamp, or 20k BMs in shuttles at a PoS, their intent is obvious, but it seems people are skiddish about calling them on it.
This is one huge can of worms tbh. Intentionally using game mechanisms to create lag to achieve an advantage ... CCP would have to be on the scene during such events to be able to do a case by case assesment. After all, checking after the fact or allegation bears no point without logs.
You can never be 100% sure even in clear cut situations, it always comes down to one word versus the other. A gang for instance which preps before downtime to be in position on a gate straight after downtime, is that an exploit? If the intention is to mass log on and hit the gate that way lagging the people already in the system out as the node has to adjust .. well .. for the victims that is considered a logon trap/sploit. The other side may or may not have intentionally set this up. And they can always say they logged in for combat, not to trap.
Can of worms tbh.
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Countess Xiao
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
Yes. In fact, even a relatively small number of empty cans sitting outside a POS to induce lag is considered an exploit.
How about the opposite, would it be an exploit for the attacking force to place cans for warping to?
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:40:00 -
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Its happened to me before, I have found a way around these BM camps.
Alwayse set a waypoint as your destination, when warping to a gate activate Auto pilot mid warp. Now your ship will automatically activate the jump gate after exiting warp (if you used a BM). When you start to jump dis-engage Autopilot so that you can use you BM at the next system.
Even if you lag because someone jammed a can full of BM's near the gate the autopilot will jump you out on its own.
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.18 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Skybar
Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
"So does this mean that the issue of .....anything...... to lag out"
I belive those words make it quite obvious what should be considered as an exploit.
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ragewind
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.19 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Miho Aokii
So does this mean that the issue of putting 100s of 1000s of BM in 100s of shuttles at a POS to lag out an attacking fleet is also an exploit?
Yes. In fact, even a relatively small number of empty cans sitting outside a POS to induce lag is considered an exploit.
not to make this even harder but empty cans can be used for real tactics such get in the way of clocked ships on warp in or scouting pods ect so this is even harder but BM cans are really stupid and should be removed from the game though log checks and then bans pepoel will stop useing the tactic when they loses the ability to play
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:02:00 -
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*Locked*
Question answered, no need to discuss the exploit further.
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