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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.10.20 12:56:27 -
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So with the advent of T3 destroyers the first question that popped into my tiny brain is if these should be let into Small FW plexes. I'm assuming they won't be. What do you think?
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Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
740
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:22:17 -
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no
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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
132
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:33:47 -
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Those are some very compelling and clearly thought out arguments Deen, thanks.
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
193
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:14:15 -
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Definitely should be allowed. Would put a whole different complexion on small plexes and allow people to counter a blob if they want to put their isk on the line. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2607
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:21:00 -
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David Devant wrote:Definitely should be allowed. Would put a whole different complexion on small plexes and allow people to counter a blob if they want to put their isk on the line. Isn't that what T2 destroyers are for?
Don't really care one way or the other if these destroyers are "flexible but not omnipotent" instead of just being OP like the strategic cruisers.
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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
30
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:33:39 -
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I'm inclined to be in favor of allowing T3 Destroyers into small and medium FW plexes.
Along the same line, I think T3 Cruisers should be permitted to enter medium FW plexes.
HACs, Recons, and Faction Cruisers are already allowed to enter medium plexes but you don't always see it because even though they're great ships, its not always optimal to risk that much ISK to run a FW plex. I think the same logic would apply to a T3 cruiser so why not allow it?
Sure some people may be concerned about seeing T3s in all their plexes and pushing out the little guy, but to be honest I bet you see them about as often as you see other "shiny" ships.
Free up the mechanics to allow the play and see what players do. If T3s are OP and everywhere in FW come the following expansion, then nerf their entry into plexes but lets at least get a shot at trying to use them in FW! |
Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:34:17 -
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I'm on the fence about this one. It really depends on how powerful the T3 dessies are. I would like to allow them into small, because it opens up gameplay, but they may very well be overpowered for it. Arguably small plexes are some of the most used in FW space, so T3 dessies would be the final word for them, perhaps that's not what we want. I'm not sure.
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
30
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:35:42 -
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X Gallentius wrote:David Devant wrote:Definitely should be allowed. Would put a whole different complexion on small plexes and allow people to counter a blob if they want to put their isk on the line. Isn't that what T2 destroyers are for? Don't really care one way or the other if these destroyers are "flexible but not omnipotent" instead of just being OP like the strategic cruisers.
Aside from the extra resists profile when you have logi present, T2 destroyers just don't get you enough bang for the buck in low-sec. |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:38:26 -
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Niden wrote:I'm on the fence about this one. It really depends on how powerful the T3 dessies are. I would like to allow them into small, because it opens up gameplay, but they may very well be overpowered for it. Arguably small plexes are some of the most used in FW space, so T3 dessies would be the final word for them, perhaps that's not what we want. I'm not sure.
A T3 Destoryer may be the "final word" in a small plex... until the 100M+ hull dies in a fire to a handful of derptrons. I'm sure that pilot will begin to re-evaluate his plexing ship of choice.
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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:46:00 -
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Stalence wrote:Niden wrote:I'm on the fence about this one. It really depends on how powerful the T3 dessies are. I would like to allow them into small, because it opens up gameplay, but they may very well be overpowered for it. Arguably small plexes are some of the most used in FW space, so T3 dessies would be the final word for them, perhaps that's not what we want. I'm not sure. A T3 Destoryer may be the "final word" in a small plex... until the 100M+ hull dies in a fire to a handful of derptrons. I'm sure that pilot will begin to re-evaluate his plexing ship of choice.
Yeah, that is the lowsec way certainly... I find myself agreeing with your stance on it. Let them in, see how it pas out. If turns to ****, kick them out.
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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
132
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:46:17 -
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Stalence wrote:Niden wrote:I'm on the fence about this one. It really depends on how powerful the T3 dessies are. I would like to allow them into small, because it opens up gameplay, but they may very well be overpowered for it. Arguably small plexes are some of the most used in FW space, so T3 dessies would be the final word for them, perhaps that's not what we want. I'm not sure. A T3 Destoryer may be the "final word" in a small plex... until the 100M+ hull dies in a fire to a handful of derptrons. I'm sure that pilot will begin to re-evaluate his plexing ship of choice.
Yeah, that is the lowsec way certainly... I find myself agreeing with your stance on it. Let them in, see how it pans out. If turns to ****, kick them out.
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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Super Chair
project cerberus Templis CALSF
690
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Posted - 2014.10.21 03:35:21 -
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No skillpoint loss? Well you might as well call me leeroy... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
16770
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:26:51 -
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Do we have any stats yet for the capabilities of the ships?
Seems to me that before we can draw a conclusion about whether they should be allowed into small plexes or not, we need to know how powerful they might be in different configurations.
My understanding, from the little information that I've seen, is that they are not going to be designed to be more powerful than existing destroyers, but more flexible to fit a needed role, with a cooldown period between changing on the fly.
If that's the case and they aren't more powerful than T2 or other destroyers, then limiting their access to mediums and above seems a little harsh.
So for me, probably too early to make a judgement call.
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Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
132
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:34:57 -
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Well, the stats for them are not a set thing either. So the stats could easily be balanced to 'fit' small plex fighting. I think it's very much a question of what we would like to see.
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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Damien Price Raashaw
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:59:33 -
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Maybe allow them into Medium plexes....T3 Cruisers can't enter Mediums so apply the same logic to the Destroyers...they enter one size up. Just a thought :S |
Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
132
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Posted - 2014.10.21 10:20:29 -
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Damien Price Raashaw wrote:Maybe allow them into Medium plexes....T3 Cruisers can't enter Mediums so apply the same logic to the Destroyers...they enter one size up. Just a thought :S
I suspect that's the logic at CCP as well. I'm really going back and forth on this myself.
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
69235
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:02:29 -
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Lets put it the other way. If they can't enter Small plexes what then? As far as I understand it then they will be optimal for smallgang sniping / nanoing and will be really great against other small ships. All due to the nature of being destroyers. They will lack the EHP to take gateguns and they would probably struggle against medium rails / sentries that seem to dominate among large fleets. So if they can't enter small plexes it may be hard to find decent fights with them. Atleast in lowsec.
If people are worried about being kited by a destroyer in a small plex they just have to camp the landing beacon. Destroyers will have a harder time burning out of scram range than nano frigs like slicers and garmurs.
But I may be biased as I am hoping for a Supercharged Coercer of Doom .
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1576
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:04:21 -
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Maby first we need to se there stats to judge on that ? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
822
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:05:57 -
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i do not know why ccp has to bring new ships, i have maxed out skills for every t3 cruiser but never flown one.
same goes with many other ships that i have skills, but i have never used those because those does not fit on my 'style to play' |
Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
16
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Posted - 2014.10.27 16:14:01 -
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They are to be called D3's.
Also, they should be allowed in but what do i know, the stats aint even been released.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2923
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Posted - 2014.10.27 16:29:27 -
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they can transform into a mining frig and enter novice plexes
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
1989
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:01:45 -
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Mizhir wrote:Lets put it the other way. If they can't enter Small plexes what then? As far as I understand it then they will be optimal for smallgang sniping / nanoing and will be really great against other small ships. All due to the nature of being destroyers. They will lack the EHP to take gateguns and they would probably struggle against medium rails / sentries that seem to dominate among large fleets. So if they can't enter small plexes it may be hard to find decent fights with them. Atleast in lowsec. If people are worried about being kited by a destroyer in a small plex they just have to camp the landing beacon. Destroyers will have a harder time burning out of scram range than nano frigs like slicers and garmurs. But I may be biased as I am hoping for a Supercharged Coercer of Doom . Supercharged Coercer of Doom would be OP even in Large Plexes
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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.10.28 06:47:58 -
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I think they will be allowed. What would be the point of them if they were forced to occupy only medium plexes where cruisers could have their day on'em?
I'm more afraid about them being too good but I guess we will all train for them like crazy, and maybe they will be an easy way to make a newbie feel great - t3 ship around a month of training including t2 weapons? Could be interesting if they don't have a lot of prerequisites (probably will have :P).
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Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
39
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:00:55 -
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Sounds like the Garmur/Wurm of small plex fighting. It will definitely be a set back to content as the plexes were intended to make for fairer fights. If they have versatility for C1's/2's then I couldn't care if they were allowed in Mediums or above. And you don't see cruisers that often solo roaming too much. |
Saiya Rei
The 907th Heavy Jaeger Brigade
9
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:42:29 -
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I am definitely FOR having them be able to access smalls but I think with the T3 label, they will only be able to access mediums. If they don't let them into mediums either, that would be a little harsh and then they wouldn't really be useful for plexing. |
Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club Ghosts of Deep Space
66
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:07:57 -
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Saiya Rei wrote:I am definitely FOR having them be able to access smalls but I think with the T3 label, they will only be able to access mediums. If they don't let them into mediums either, that would be a little harsh and then they wouldn't really be useful for plexing.
It was already officially announced they would be able to enter small plexes, not sure why still speculating as to their access? |
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