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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:48:00 -
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Will keep it very simple.
Do you envision the player-built stargates and the new space behind them as accessible from everywhere in New Eden, as wormholes are? Or will they be restricted to only certain locations based on sovereignty, security level or other?
Even simpler: Will player-built stargates be available only in 0.0 security space? Yes or no? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:50:00 -
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There was a thread linking a stargate from Chaos testserver ...
Assuming it's not bogus, stargates from afar can connect to any other gate.
I doubt they'll give out info already, considering the fact that there's still a long way to go. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:55:00 -
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It depends. If one were to speculate, one could say that the coming jump changes could be an indicator of CCP POSSIBLY attempting to make 0.0 more accessible to smaller entities. If so, then stargates being limited to sov 0.0 would be expected should the jump changes and changes to 0.0 sov make small groups holding sov a thing.
But, that's just my personal speculation. I have no idea wtf CCP is doing. Even IF the changes are made in favor of smaller groups in 0.0, the current power blocs will simply adapt and ensure their holdings are secure. I.E. nothing will change.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10119
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:58:00 -
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Almost definitely yes. Even lowsec space is Empire controlled to an extent.
And if you recall the trailer, the Empires are stridently opposed to player controlled stargates. It would only really be possible in null space, and could very possibly need to be defended against NPC siege fleets. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11098
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:02:00 -
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Looking at the concept, it seems that CCP is trying to reach out to those who want to conquer their own space.
It's a fix to issue of giving people their own space.
That way they can give people an alternative to nullsec ... ... and at the same time extend the cluster infinitely. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:05:00 -
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WH Gates, GOGOGOGO (yes I know this won't happen, but I can dream).
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:47:00 -
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I'm not sure even CCP has fully worked out the mechanics of those new gates yet. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:03:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm not sure even CCP has fully worked out the mechanics of those new gates yet.
Well, the question is very simple. It's about access to the stargates, no further details are needed.
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:05:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm not sure even CCP has fully worked out the mechanics of those new gates yet. Well, the question is very simple. It's about access to the stargates, no further details are needed.
Heres 100% of the information CCP has decided upon so far;
'We would like to one day add player built stargates'
Thats all there is. Come play Crink, over 192 billion in prizes paid out already!
Join the channel 'crink' in game or visit http://crink.corelicorp.net to play. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:07:00 -
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why do you think they would have settled on something this specific in game design this early and why would you expect an answer. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."-á -á=]I[= |
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:22:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, the question is very simple. It's about access to the stargates, no further details are needed.
The reasons for your question are probably even simpler. IB4 "OMG CCP why aren't we allowed to access this new area of space IT'S NOT FAIR, the RMT cartels get everything via their CSM sockpuppets, abloobloobloo rabblerabble". If you're going to attempt this, please do it properly/ #freedinsdale.
Personally I hope these player built stargates can be configured to AOE anyone daft enough to try use them if they aren't part of the group that owns it. Or can be confirgured to charge an (extortionate) toll for usage. If you don't like it, stop levelling up your empire raven and engaging in erotic roleplay with the NPC dwellers and build one yourself.
That said, it won't take long for a group to throw one up purely to extort gullible singleplayers, so I doubt new areas of space will be unatainable even for those outside of blocs. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3106
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:24:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:why do you think they would have settled on something this specific in game design this early and why would you expect an answer.
Because details are specific enough so CCP Seagull stated at Fanfest 2014 that industry changes were needed so nullsec had the abbility to build those gates. That can be read in many ways, and the more CCP Seagull talks about her vision for EVE, the more some people wonder about access to those stargates. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3106
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:39:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote: {straw man}
{ad hominem}
{off topic}
{off topic}
Interesting and totally original points. Please be my guest and keep enlightening us. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:48:00 -
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Better question for CCP seagull: Is she single? lol "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith |
Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:53:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote: {straw man}
{ad hominem}
{off topic}
{off topic}
Interesting and totally original points. Please be my guest and keep enlightening us. I too took an argument class in college. Does this mean we're friends now? Bacon makes us stronger |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
452
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:02:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote: {straw man}
{ad hominem}
{off topic}
{off topic}
Interesting and totally original points. Please be my guest and keep enlightening us. I too took an argument class in college. Does this mean we're friends now?
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:18:00 -
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Allowing players to build their own stargates is evidence CCP has collectively lost its ever-lovin' mind, and this is why:
a.) Stargates are transition points used to break up a very well-designed map which couldn't possibly completely fit on your monitor.
b.) Players not only did not design this well-designed map, but are in all likelihood as unfamiliar with it as a whole as they are with their own neighborhoods where they reside (irl).
c.) You can bet your bottom ISK that some dummy will figure out a way to make Stargateland; the system where there are noooooo moons, nooooo suns, nooooo asteroids...JUST stargates...dozens and dozens of stargates.
Never give someone who doesn't really know they suck at design and execution the opportunity to design and execute if you're in the least bit interested in a semblance of orderliness and rationality.
tl;dr Never give kids the skinny crayons 'til they've proved they can use the fat ones. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:50:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Allowing players to build their own stargates is evidence CCP has collectively lost its ever-lovin' mind, and this is why:
a.) Stargates are transition points used to break up a very well-designed map which couldn't possibly completely fit on your monitor.
b.) Players not only did not design this well-designed map, but are in all likelihood as unfamiliar with it as a whole as they are with their own neighborhoods where they reside (irl).
c.) You can bet your bottom ISK that some dummy will figure out a way to make Stargateland; the system where there are noooooo moons, nooooo suns, nooooo asteroids...JUST stargates...dozens and dozens of stargates.
Never give someone who doesn't really know they suck at design and execution the opportunity to design and execute if you're in the least bit interested in a semblance of orderliness and rationality.
tl;dr Never give kids the skinny crayons 'til they've proved they can use the fat ones.
you are so mean, your mother should have given you more love or something... *waves to everyone in thread*... "Everyone... quick!!... here!!... Ok, on three... Group Hug!"
Imperial Academy [IAC] Member for 5 years, 2 months, 29 days as of 10.09.2014.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5933
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:why do you think they would have settled on something this specific in game design this early and why would you expect an answer. Because details are specific enough so CCP Seagull stated at Fanfest 2014 that industry changes were needed so nullsec had the abbility to build those gates. That can be read in many ways, and the more CCP Seagull talks about her vision for EVE, the more some people wonder about access to those stargates. I still don't see why you expect an answer at this point though. it's not hhappeningfor a while yet, so from a design standpoint the have plenty of time yet to change how this works, why would you want them to rush a decision now rather than take the time.
Your like my 4 old twins when we're baking,
*adds baking soda*
" leme taste it !"
"No it's not ready yet, you're going to hate it."
*in unison, children of the corn style*
"Let us taste it now daddy!"
*let's them taste it*
"Told you it wasn't ready"
*chuckles smuggly as the kids run off spitting*
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."-á -á=]I[= |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
256
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Almost definitely yes. Even lowsec space is Empire controlled to an extent.
And if you recall the trailer, the Empires are stridently opposed to player controlled stargates. It would only really be possible in null space, and could very possibly need to be defended against NPC siege fleets. Not the empires, but Amarr are definitely against freedom. A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6041
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:26:19 -
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Almost definitely yes. Even lowsec space is Empire controlled to an extent.
And if you recall the trailer, the Empires are stridently opposed to player controlled stargates. It would only really be possible in null space, and could very possibly need to be defended against NPC siege fleets. Not the empire s, but Amarr are definitely against freedom. i resent that, i have known to offer a buy two get a third free...
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Mharius Skjem
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.10.20 23:37:40 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, the question is very simple. It's about access to the stargates, no further details are needed.
The reasons for your question are probably even simpler. IB4 "OMG CCP why aren't we allowed to access this new area of space IT'S NOT FAIR, the RMT cartels get everything via their CSM sockpuppets, abloobloobloo rabblerabble". If you're going to attempt this, please do it properly. #freedinsdale. Personally I hope these player built stargates can be configured to AOE anyone daft enough to try use them if they aren't part of the group that owns it. Or can be confirgured to charge an (extortionate) toll for usage. If you don't like it, stop levelling up your empire raven and engaging in erotic roleplay with the NPC dwellers and build one yourself. That said, it won't take long for a group to throw one up purely to extort gullible singleplayers, so I doubt new areas of space will be unattainable even for those outside of blocs.
I've been away for a couple of months... is Dinsdale in prison?
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3139
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:00:31 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Allowing players to build their own stargates is evidence CCP has collectively lost its ever-lovin' mind, and this is why:
a.) Stargates are transition points used to break up a very well-designed map which couldn't possibly completely fit on your monitor.
b.) Players not only did not design this well-designed map, but are in all likelihood as unfamiliar with it as a whole as they are with their own neighborhoods where they reside (irl).
c.) You can bet your bottom ISK that some dummy will figure out a way to make Stargateland; the system where there are noooooo moons, nooooo suns, nooooo asteroids...JUST stargates...dozens and dozens of stargates.
Never give someone who doesn't really know they suck at design and execution the opportunity to design and execute if you're in the least bit interested in a semblance of orderliness and rationality.
tl;dr Never give kids the skinny crayons 'til they've proved they can use the fat ones.
I think you missed that those stargates will have an end in New Eden and the other end will be in some unknown undefined New Space.
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Erin Crawford
321
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:07:26 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Almost definitely yes. Even lowsec space is Empire controlled to an extent.
And if you recall the trailer, the Empires are stridently opposed to player controlled stargates. It would only really be possible in null space, and could very possibly need to be defended against NPC siege fleets. Not the empire s, but Amarr are definitely against freedom. i resent that, i have known to offer a buy two get a third free...
Very true! And we Caldari 'cook the books' do the accounting for the Amarr.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6041
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:45:25 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:
I've been away for a couple of months... is Dinsdale in prison?
Ballgaged sadly, as you can see some of us are trying to fill the tinfoil crown But it's not the same. I for one appreciate the gesture but I miss the mad bastard.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Mharius Skjem
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.10.23 20:14:15 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Mharius Skjem wrote:
I've been away for a couple of months... is Dinsdale in prison?
Ballgaged sadly, as you can see some of us are trying to fill the tinfoil crown But it's not the same. I for one appreciate the gesture but I miss the mad bastard.
Poor, Poor Dinsdale...
What did he do to get Ballgagged? Did he threaten to invade CCP or something?
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10213
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Posted - 2014.10.23 20:21:56 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Mharius Skjem wrote:
I've been away for a couple of months... is Dinsdale in prison?
Ballgaged sadly, as you can see some of us are trying to fill the tinfoil crown But it's not the same. I for one appreciate the gesture but I miss the mad bastard. Poor, Poor Dinsdale... What did he do to get Ballgagged? Did he threaten to invade CCP or something?
He pushed his luck with CCP Falcon one time too many.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1195
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Posted - 2014.10.23 20:44:14 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Even simpler: Will player-built stargates be available only in 0.0 security space? Yes or no? Do you honestly think CCP will let us high-sec scrubs create stargates? So they can, what, hook up to another carebear paradise and we can then include pandas in the game? Even if they did, you can't possibly believe they'd be immune to war-decs, do you?
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6538
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Posted - 2014.10.23 20:59:06 -
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Open questions deserve open answers. And I guarantee you will get one.
Go here or here and refresh every 30 seconds until you see the info or blog that is the answer you seek. You might want to stock up on Red Bull before you get started though.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2922
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Posted - 2014.10.23 23:29:40 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Looking at the concept, it seems that CCP is trying to reach out to those who want to conquer their own space.
It's a fix to issue of giving people their own space.
That way they can give people an alternative to nullsec ... ... and at the same time extend the cluster infinitely. If so, then it should be possible to set them up in high sec. Otherwise the only people who can set them up are people who have already claimed space, and all these new gates will do is give them still more.
But I doubt CONCORD will flow through to the new systems. But maybe they could, if asked.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
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