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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
249
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:05:46 -
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Hello,
I am part of a tight knit crew of pvpers currently enlisted in Amarr FW.
Initially I had planned to move over to a WH corp to gather experience but have decided to stick with friends/my corp instead.
The corp is basically "Running In a Pack Method" meaning we know each other, are active at the same time, have the same interests and are very selective about recruitment (attitude matters the most).
Therefore we thought about moving into a C2 WH with a static low sec connection.
The idea is to be able to drop in anywhere near/in the warzones and elsewhere. Plex & gank and then get back into the WH. Plus baiting day trippers
From the money making aspect I think that a C2 + FW LP should shower us in enough isk to pay for a med pos and basic pvp boats. (Assault Frigs, T2/Faction Cruisers etc.) but the main reason is the PVP and the many many PVP opportunities this offers.
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Does anyone have experience combining FW and WH lifestyles and is there anything in particular you would recommend.
...What are the chances of getting our **** pushed in by the big boys i.e. hard knocks or similar in a c2 ?
....Will a medium dickstar do the trick or should we better go for a large pos ?
....On a scale from 1 to LOL WAT. How is easy is it to produce POS FUEL in a C2 ?
...How popular are Wolf Rayets and can Wolf Rayet C2 sites be run in AF's ?
(... Is our Idea ******** and we should better stick to Low Sec ? )
Thanks.
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
526
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:15:35 -
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- minuscule - large - depends on PI, but importing fuel from hisec isnt difficult - quite and yes - its a decent idea, good luck with it
W-Space Realtor
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Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
16
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Posted - 2014.10.21 09:34:03 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:- minuscule - large - depends on PI, but importing fuel from hisec isnt difficult - quite and yes - its a decent idea, good luck with it This pretty much sums it up. For a small corp a c2 is perfect if u just want to pew and make isk for ur ships. No large group will want to put in the effort to evict u in a c2 particularly if you are pvpers and not carebears.
A large tower may cost more to run but would make it even more of a pain in the ass for anyone considering bashing it.
As stated above making fuel can be done if u have good pi but in a c2 u will have plenty of kspace connections anyway.
I also wish you luck as I would like to see as many new faces in whs as possible.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
676
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:44:25 -
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Caldari Medium with a lot of ECM is more than enough. Nobody will want to take a C2/low from you and also nobody will siege an ECM tower in a c2 without a strong personal reason. Sure, a large POS is even safer, but there is really no reason to pay those double fuel costs. And as a FW corp active in low sec, you will probably not store a lot of shiny ships in that POS.
In the unlikely event that somebody does plant another tower in your system, don't panic. Often people from slightly larger corps assume that you will just run away when they set up shop in your system. Instead, just stay and start harassing them. Kill them while ratting, camp holes, stay online and cloaked all day. After a few losses they usually reconsider and leave, if they don't have the power (or patience) to raze your tower.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
178
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:48:54 -
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Yes, it's a good idea, with few caveats and some notes:
Lowsec static can lead to anywhere in lowsec. And lowsec is pretty big. This means you might not connect to your warzone(s) as often as you'd like. Of course, you can always roll your static until you get one close enough. Just be prepared to connecting to a deserted backwater system every other day :D
If you are a small corp, you may consider a medium faction tower, it uses very little fuel but can fit the arrays you need. A large tower is more "safe" having more HP and defenses, but people certainly don't siege wh systems for fun. Especially in lower classes, where you can't use dreads. Evictions tend to happen for :reasons: only, you pissed off someone, or they really really badly want the exact wormhole system you live in, or you have something shiny like Rorquals and capitals in there.
Sometimes people do "faux evictions or trolling for fights", meaning that they aren't super serious about kicking you out, but try and force a PVP response out of you by hitting your assets. Call in your buddies and have a weekend of PVP!
Keep in mind that only things you can lose are the things you bring in the wh, don't put all your eggs in one basket and in worst case you'll just lose some ISK and your pride :D
Making POS fuel inside a wormhole is certainly viable and not rocket science, but you will still need to haul in the ice products. I find making my own fuel satisfying, I might save a little isk on the side, but ISK is not the main point of EVE. Imo. Pay attention to the planet composition when choosing your hole.
C2 wormholes always have dual statics, and the ones with a lowsec always have a C2 static. This is both awesome and ****. Awesome because C2 space is among the most active w-space with tons of connections, and thus offers lots of PVP opportunities especially for small corps. **** because (at the moment at least, this might and probably will change in Phoebe/Rhea) income from C2 anomalies isn't that great. They are easy to run with modest equipment (I soloed one in a PVP Myrm last night to bait out the locals), but damn, the loot and salvage you get isn't really much. However, having a static C2 means almost endless access to C2 anomalies, you are not limited to those that spawn in your home.
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Levina Windstar
Mekalon Industry
35
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:12:00 -
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You got some nice advice about WH here so far but a little about FW.
Keep in mind that k-space is really big so most of the time your low sec static will not be in or near the FW area. So to have content you will have to roll it often wich personnally I hate doing cause it's painful...
Another thing to keep in mind is to have alts for transport cause you don't wanna go in high sec with a FW char in an industry ship.
My honest opinion is that it will be hard to combine WH and FW.
My suggestion will be to stay in low sec and farm some WH if theres nothing to do in FW this day. |
Levina Windstar
Mekalon Industry
35
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:12:36 -
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You got some nice advice about WH here so far but a little about FW.
Keep in mind that k-space is really big so most of the time your low sec static will not be in or near the FW area. So to have content you will have to roll it often wich personnally I hate doing cause it's painful...
Another thing to keep in mind is to have alts for transport cause you don't wanna go in high sec with a FW char in an industry ship.
My honest opinion is that it will be hard to combine WH and FW.
My suggestion will be to stay in low sec and farm some WH if theres nothing to do in FW this day.
EDIT : What I'm actually doing with my friends is that our mains live in a WH and we all have a 2-3 months SP alt in the FW when theres nothing to do in our WH. Best of both world |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
723
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:25:49 -
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If you were to bring in a tower of pretty much any kind and are using 2 orcas to do that, then you could also use said orcas to roll a low-static at a decent pace.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
787
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:07:00 -
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First Credible concept I've seen in a while.
I would focus on a specific target hole.
You want a C2 Lowsec/C3. Or a C2 Lowsec/C2 static
The C2 lowsec for obvious reasons, but you specifically want either a C2 static or a C3 static, as you will get more connections to Kspace with the C2 static or the C3 static, and you have the viability of rolling the C2/C3 with orca's (C1 is too small to roll effectively).
That is your target wormhole.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
788
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:07:46 -
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First Credible concept I've seen in a while.
I would focus on a specific target hole.
You want a C2 Lowsec/C2 static
The C2 lowsec for obvious reasons, but you specifically want a C2 static as you will get more connections to Kspace with the C2 static, and you have the viability of rolling the C2 with orca's (C1 is too small to roll effectively).
That is your target wormhole.
Edit: there are no c2-c3/lowsec wormholes.
Yaay!!!!
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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
249
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:17:00 -
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Thanks for answers. So far very valuable tips which are much appreciated.
A few us are not 100% sure yet as they are afraid that a normadic/WH lifestyle is too time consuming and we will end up running blockade runner alts 23/7 or getting evicted by T3 blobs :p
I guess the best way to find out is by trying but keep it coming. The more we know upfront the better prepared we are :) http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
249
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:17:51 -
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Thanks for the answers. So far very valuable tips which are much appreciated.
A few us are not 100% sure yet as they are afraid that a normadic/WH lifestyle is too time consuming and we will end up running blockade runner alts 23/7 or getting evicted by T3 blobs :p
I guess the best way to find out is by trying but keep it coming. The more we know upfront the better prepared we are :)
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Levina Windstar
Mekalon Industry
35
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:51:15 -
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Luwc wrote:Thanks for answers. So far very valuable tips which are much appreciated.
A few us are not 100% sure yet as they are afraid that a normadic/WH lifestyle is too time consuming and we will end up running blockade runner alts 23/7 or getting evicted by T3 blobs :p
I guess the best way to find out is by trying but keep it coming. The more we know upfront the better prepared we are :)
It's scary at the beginning I know . But like you said, there's alot of informations/tips regarding wormholes everywhere. So keep reading and you guys will be fine. We all went through this and after a few days/weeks you'll get the hang of it
Last thing, home WH content is very very limited. After you will clear all the sites, you will have meaby 5-10 new sites that will spawn each week wich is not very much. There will be many times where you log on, scan your chain and log off cause there is no content (PvE and PvP).
When you live in a WH, you either farm your static or have alts doing something somwhere else like FW for example. |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
177
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:04:29 -
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Luwc wrote:...What are the chances of getting our **** pushed in by the big boys i.e. hard knocks or similar in a c2 ? Extremely unlikely that you will get evicted by the big boys.
Luwc wrote:....Will a medium dickstar do the trick or should we better go for a large pos ? Go for large.
Luwc wrote:....On a scale from 1 to LOL WAT. How is easy is it to produce POS FUEL in a C2 ? I find it easier to buy in highsec and ship it in. However, it's doable if you have right planets.
Luwc wrote:...How popular are Wolf Rayets and can Wolf Rayet C2 sites be run in AF's ? yes, yes. However, usually, most of the sites are run in your wspace static, not in your home system. The reason is that sites in your home system will dry up. A new static each days has new sites to run. Since c2's have a kspace, AND a wspace static, this is perfect for what you are planning to do.
Luwc wrote:(... Is our Idea ******** and we should better stick to Low Sec ? ) Definitely move to wspace. You'll never want to go back. :D |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
526
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:23:13 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:You want a C2 Lowsec/C3 these do not exist
Luwc wrote:Thanks for the answers. So far very valuable tips which are much appreciated.
A few us are not 100% sure yet as they are afraid that a normadic/WH lifestyle is too time consuming and we will end up running blockade runner alts 23/7 or getting evicted by T3 blobs :p
I guess the best way to find out is by trying but keep it coming. The more we know upfront the better prepared we are :) Its not that nomadic. Its more like having magic doors that give you access to all of new eden. The occasional direct hisecs or hisecs from your C2 static will be comfortable enough for any logistics. And no T3 blob will be going after you unless you somehow terribly **** them off or someone spends crazy amounts of ISK to hire them.
W-Space Realtor
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
788
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:37:43 -
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Hmm. Your right. There is no c2 lowsec/c3. There all highsecs.
That doesn't quite make any sense, but ok.
Yaay!!!!
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TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
107
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:22:18 -
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I lived for several months in a C2 with low & C2 statics. If your goal is endless PvP and sufficient income from PvE to keep you in fairly cheap ships (up to battlecruisers or thereabouts), you can't pick a better spot. One of our corporations lives there right now, and they have a really great time.
You can easily/quickly be evicted by a Marauder fleet, and my alliance evicted some dudes from a C2 for having too many shiny ships floating... and we used a Vexor Navy Issue & Ishtar fleet to do it because it was a Dickstar (took for freaking ever, and the neuts beat us the first attempt, but it was good times to hang out, and got some shiny kills). Go for the large POS if you plan to keep anything in the hole.
I wholeheartedly endorse your concept, but I'd caveat like the ones above: if you're in it for the faction war, direct warzone connections won't be hugely common. But you'll typically be pretty close, within a half-dozen lowsec jumps or so, barring a rare connection to a lowsec island or something. We mostly prey on the faction warfare guys in our roams, then use the winnings from popping faction warfare participants to pay tags for security status to get back to 0 (been a while since I lived there, and I went out to do a bunch of incursion content when figuring out how to not suck at logi, so my sec status is currently way too high; I aim to fix that shortly, but it's been useful for testing lowsec shenanigans lately). There are plenty of reasonably-profitable combat sites in random lowsec space; those plus the C2 static provide ample opportunity to beat typical L4 mission income, but can be run in battlecruisers & assault frigates.
If you run your corporation from just a single large POS or maybe two, the logistics of getting fuel supplies in & out aren't terribly complicated, but are annoying once a month or so.
We look forward to shooting you soon! Class 2 W-space is -- IMHO -- the king of PvP in all wormholes because it's so well-connected. Epic chains, lots of pew, solid ISK-making potential even for those with modest skills running sites in a Drake and PvP-ing in a frigate or destroyer. I'm a fan. |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
30
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Posted - 2014.10.21 21:07:21 -
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I think your concept idea is incredibly cool!
Just one extra thing to consider though is that fighting in wormholes can lead to more lost pods than you may be used to in low sec due to dictors/bubbles. Having a clean clone puts you at a small disadvantage when fighting the current meta of low sec PVP pilots with shiny heads though. That said, sticking in FW still leaves you plenty of options to cash out LP for replacement implants.
Anyways, happy hunting! |
Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
180
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Posted - 2014.10.21 22:50:52 -
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Make sure you have scanning alts logged off in whatever wormhole you choose to live in. You never know when you might lose your connections while out roaming.
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Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
112
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:05:22 -
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It is good in theory, but I think you guys will grow very tired of the mechanics of WHs. You have to scan daily, check your routes, check hostile holes, be wary of roaming gangs, have scanner alts stuck in hole at all times, logistics of hauling fuel in, logistics of hauling POS/modules, use empty clones, etc, etc.
It grows very tedious.
You will likely be better off staging out of a LS system near the front lines of your FW, or a HS one jump out. |
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XvXTeacherVxV
Nightmare Machinery
111
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Posted - 2014.10.22 20:20:32 -
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I've run a corp with exactly this kind of idea in mind and it works ok, but not great.
Here are some considerations for you to think about: - Some of your newer corp members won't be able to utilize the wormhole at all, and they won't see much point in basing out of it because of sharing ship hangars. - Some people won't want to be in the wormhole at all. Same problem. - There are vast areas of Low-sec that are not FW space and in some cases, aren't even close to FW space. If you base in a specific area of FW space, the chances of connecting somewhere nearby go down even more. - High-sec holes that connect to Enemy FW space make it difficult to haul & move stuff without out-of-corp alts. - Holes with direct exits to Low-sec are your best bet for getting the best FW connections. - FW players often use implant sets because there's little risk of losing them in Low-sec. That's less true in WH space (but sometimes worth the risk if you're flying super blingy t3s).
Answers to your other questions: - You can totally run c2 sites in AFs in a wolf-rayet, but you should be able to fit full t2 fits or have logi. You'll also probably run more sites in systems that aren't your home system. - Making fuel with PI products will reduce the cost of fuel, but not really the amount of stuff you need to haul in. You still need ice. - A large dickstar probably won't get bashed. Don't be an easy, juicy target and you'll be fine.
Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE
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