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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:58:34 -
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Hello.
With all the automations and verifications made by out of game tool, can some dev spend some time (after the null changes ) and make some undetectable by API possibility to make fake api. Api that will lie about : - characters on the account - transactions - location - etc.
API is fun , but to much of eve game is played out side of the game, and by out of game tools.
Now you don't have to login to check what is happening in game.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:32:39 -
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I can't be arsed to find the post about it, but CCP doesn't really want the API purposely providing false information. (IIRC, it was in a thread about Siphons, since the API will tell you which towers are losing materials to a siphon, making them somewhat less effective).
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
30
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:18:23 -
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Why should i need something like this ?
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Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:26:18 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:I can't be arsed to find the post about it, but CCP doesn't really want the API purposely providing false information. (IIRC, it was in a thread about Siphons, since the API will tell you which towers are losing materials to a siphon, making them somewhat less effective). If you provide false API's, developers will stop using them. I already require phone numbers for roles. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:47:26 -
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Tabyll Altol wrote:Why should i need something like this ?
-1 Corporate Espionage and Awoxing spring to mind immediately. They would be a lot easier if you could fake your API data. Scams and selling items you don't actually own would be another way to make use of false data.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
65
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Posted - 2014.10.21 16:29:27 -
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And you want people to stop recruiting entirely? God knows i'd NEVER recruit anyone i dont know IRL and can go and "kick in the shins" (to use a slightly childish example) if i couldnt trust API information...
Next up you want the ability to reset "employment history"...
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
339
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Posted - 2014.10.21 16:41:59 -
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The devs are not (rightfully) into having the UI give false information. They pointed this out when they were discussing the margin trading scam because the client actually straight lies to you when you look at a purchase order, but you are unable to fill it.
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Anthar Thebess
774
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Posted - 2014.10.21 17:16:39 -
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So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner. Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes. You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.
I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
139
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Posted - 2014.10.21 17:32:50 -
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-1.
Any information provided by game systems, baring on grid EWAR causing omission (cloaking and the D-scan inhibitor) must be accurate or the game client loses the trust of the players, leading to a massive increase in paranoia. If you crank the paranoia of eve players up any further, we'll start taking heavy losses to pysch ward aggro IRL.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
339
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Posted - 2014.10.21 17:48:43 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner. Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes. You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.
I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void.
Then shouldn't this post be directed at the developers of these out of game apps to create fake information when given a proper API from the server? Just note as soon as word got out that this developer did this to their app, people would quickly stop using that to verify people's API, and probably develop another app that pushes the right information to you from the API.
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Anthar Thebess
774
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Posted - 2014.10.21 18:33:17 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner. Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes. You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.
I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void. Then shouldn't this post be directed at the developers of these out of game apps to create fake information when given a proper API from the server? Just note as soon as word got out that this developer did this to their app, people would quickly stop using that to verify people's API, and probably develop another app that pushes the right information to you from the API.
So you have to talk to all developers, or just provide some back end from CCP API to do this kind of deception. In RL people want , and defend freedom, and try to block all possible ways of how government can spy on them.
Yet in game they demand stuff they trying to stop in RL.
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Mag's
the united
18085
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Posted - 2014.10.21 19:15:08 -
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The whole point of the APi is clarity. If you inject this into the mix, it becomes pointless. Meaning no one would even bother.
No and tbh, I'm rather amazed you think this is a good idea.
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Anthar Thebess
774
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Posted - 2014.10.21 19:27:20 -
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So basically you have no objections about giving someone your email, credit card information and employment history?
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Quesa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
42
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Posted - 2014.10.21 19:29:55 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Tabyll Altol wrote:Why should i need something like this ?
-1 Corporate Espionage and Awoxing spring to mind immediately. They would be a lot easier if you could fake your API data. Scams and selling items you don't actually own would be another way to make use of false data. You can be a spy or thief without a fake API, it just takes some effort. There need to be consequences to doing such things, being able to provide a fake API with fake information would allow such activities without proper tools available for corps to detect such.
Also, it would completely F over the 3rd party development community. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
339
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Posted - 2014.10.21 23:11:47 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:So basically you have no objections about giving someone your email, credit card information and employment history?
Since when does the API key hand over your email and credit card information? That's the purpose of the API key, to share most/all information about your character with someone else, without you risking giving them your account information. If you are trying to get into a corp, and they require a background check, find another corp.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3544
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Posted - 2014.10.21 23:32:10 -
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Not only no, but **** no. Abso****inglutely not.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong. It is measured in terms of who survives"
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.10.21 23:41:48 -
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This would be great to add.... I can lie about all sorts of things... especially when selling characters.
Oh look, my new api has the Mittani is my alt.
Methinks this would be a bad idea and contrary to the purpose of the API. You want to lie, lie.... otherwise Trust but Verify has no meaning.
Let this idea burn in sheol. |
Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
309
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Posted - 2014.10.22 00:00:18 -
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Hahahah, Hahahahhahaha hahahahhahhahhhhahahhahahha
no.
[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just..
-Fit more points
-Fit faction points
-Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
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Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:22:08 -
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Honestly I love it. +1 |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
565
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:33:46 -
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I think you meant to post this in the one-line bad idea thread.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2950
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:42:17 -
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Petrified wrote:Oh look, my new api has the Mittani is my alt.
What? No! You lie. The Mittani is clearly my alt, and my new API says so right here on line 13.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
515
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Posted - 2014.10.22 07:01:38 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:So basically you have no objections about giving someone your email, credit card information and employment history?
that be rl stuff....apple meet orange. THis is a game...best if not taken too seriously even.
Joining a corp needing API is a choice. Want to wear tin foil...well you limit your options. Its game data...not PII you can use to make a new identity.
Directors and such giving out API's for the various things like pos related maintenance....is a choice made by them. Can't trust ole boy to borrow the corp Charon and return it....probably shouldn't be giving the info access via a pos maintenance app. This not even applicable here. Kind of need the pos submanagers to know what is actually going on on the pos'.
Hey Fred, why you so bad at keeping a pos fueled up?
WTF you talking about, pos apps says its got loads of fuel.
Doh.....who didn't give Fred the real pos access api?
And as always if this paranoid....make the 2nd account. And try to keep them separate. Kind of 0.0 sop (as they like api checks a lot). Unless running the gauntlet on jita 4-4 with a war dec is your thing anyway. |
Anthar Thebess
776
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Posted - 2014.10.22 07:25:14 -
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Sorry but if you are going to use your own fake api then what can i say ::) This is to force you to actually play the game.
Lets look at the renters : - you put CSAA , you have to pay for it.
No one will ever come to check if you have one , as every thing will be pulled from api.
Want to join corp. You have to give full api - that show every thing.
In some cases no one will ever bother to speak to you after you provide full api. So this is nonsense this FAKE api could resolve.
Stuff you are doing will be more important than stuff someone see in api.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
142
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Posted - 2014.10.22 07:32:32 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Sorry but if you are going to use your own fake api then what can i say ::) This is to force you to actually play the game.
Lets look at the renters : - you put CSAA , you have to pay for it.
No one will ever come to check if you have one , as every thing will be pulled from api.
Want to join corp. You have to give full api - that show every thing.
In some cases no one will ever bother to speak to you after you provide full api. So this is nonsense this FAKE api could resolve.
Stuff you are doing will be more important than stuff someone see in api. These are community choices. If you don't like how the community plays, appeal to the community, not to CCP to make a way to get the game to be forcibly complicit in your lies to your corporation/alliance/whomever.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2976
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Posted - 2014.10.22 12:25:12 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Tabyll Altol wrote:Why should i need something like this ?
-1 Corporate Espionage and Awoxing spring to mind immediately. They would be a lot easier if you could fake your API data. Scams and selling items you don't actually own would be another way to make use of false data.
Removing all of the challenge from any of that is really not a good idea. There needs to be SOME kind of a challenge in the game you know. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
515
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:58:44 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: In some cases no one will ever bother to speak to you after you provide full api. So this is nonsense this FAKE api could resolve.
In this way eve like real life. Many places are not obligated to say your job application was filed in the circular file.
Corps did your check, didn't like what they see, and moved on.
If some paranoia about this look for corps that say swing by our public channel. And go to said public channel. Most decent places I have been I talked with recruiters, gave api while in the chat channel and we talked about that on the spot. This way you know they aren't fishing for api data. And any issues in the api can be talked about on the spot in the impromptu interview.
Or you can just spam corps A-D for the night not even bothering to do this and get just rewards for lack of caring imo. Was not a recruiter but corps I was in asked if not busy to hop in to show a corp presence and talk with potentials. I know for me bothering to chat it up in the public channel added a few bonus points to the hr matrix as it where to getting a player at least in the corp for trials. Vice the guys who submitted and had to hunt down to contact them. |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
1177
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:12:53 -
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Nazri al Mahdi wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:I can't be arsed to find the post about it, but CCP doesn't really want the API purposely providing false information. (IIRC, it was in a thread about Siphons, since the API will tell you which towers are losing materials to a siphon, making them somewhat less effective). If you provide false API's, developers will stop using them. I already require phone numbers for roles.
Finally, the reason no-one in the NPC corp has any roles comes to light. |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:24:58 -
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This is so breathtakingly stupid I'm a little sad it'll never happen.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1335
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:44:35 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:So again , all negative post here are connected to out of game applications of api, totally not connected to actual api owner. Double checking , and sometimes triple checking someones history and operations - thats the whole point of this api changes. You can know almost any thing about any one based on their api , and goal of creating this api is to make those checks void.
I don't want to create api that will put false information about Poses/ assets , just to make "i want your blood sample , and your fathers prior sending corp application" void. Then shouldn't this post be directed at the developers of these out of game apps to create fake information when given a proper API from the server? Just note as soon as word got out that this developer did this to their app, people would quickly stop using that to verify people's API, and probably develop another app that pushes the right information to you from the API. So you have to talk to all developers, or just provide some back end from CCP API to do this kind of deception. In RL people want , and defend freedom, and try to block all possible ways of how government can spy on them. Yet in game they demand stuff they trying to stop in RL.
It's a form of hypocrisy in the end because they hate the govt for wanting info on them but they want all the info when they are a form of govt. It's also a game so I can see why it's more accepted but at the end of the day, the same idea is present in both case. The ruling apparel at the top of a group want to know as much as possible on their members while the members want to share as little as possible.
You can refuse to share your API in game to a potential organisation but you will be treated like someone who refuse to provide important info when trying to get a job for example.
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