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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.22 17:58:05 -
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I think about Vindicator, Machariel and Rattlesnake. Which one is the best against Guristas (Level 4 missions) in your opinion? |
John Ratcliffe
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.22 18:36:58 -
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Out of those three hulls, the RS would be my choice. However, for your intended use, the RNI or Golem are both superior. The Golem winning out only because of EWAR immunity.
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Kosetzu
S1lver Flame
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Posted - 2014.10.22 21:42:46 -
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I would say the Kronos is a good contender as well when including the Marauders. Guristas tend to jam quite a bit so any non-marauder will likely have to fit ECCM in order to complete them consistently in the same amount of time a marauder would. |
Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.10.22 22:58:05 -
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RS for BS sized. Pith Destroyer resistances are 46% Kinetic / 57% Thermal so if DPS is the same (or similar on all three) then a 1000 points of damage would break out like this:
Rattlesnake 540 Vindicator 485 Mach 430
Obviously things like damage application (plus/minus) will change the results. Also your play style. Rattler can be a stationary tank. Mach and Vindi (assuming you are using blasters) requires speed to get to optimal. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.23 04:53:28 -
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+1 for rattlesnake
the vindi is just a bit akward, and well the mach isn't bad, vs guristas the Rattler just doesn't really have any big downside. and still has a ton of dps that hits at pretty much any range.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:57:57 -
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If you just want the LP and not the bounties, machariel is untouchable king of L4s.
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:20:18 -
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It does not really matter which BS you use as long as you have decent skills to fly them. One BS may do a mission a couple minutes faster then an other, but in the long run that does not really matter. I personally do favor missle boats for L4s simply cos I am lazy I don't want to be bothered with range |
Rok Hard
Galactic Response Recon
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:26:34 -
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Depends on how you want to fly the ship really.
I think rattlers are damn perfect for Guristas. You can just mjd away from jams and blap things with sentries and cruise missiles. It still gets awesome dps with both weapon systems as well. If I'm doing missions I usually prefer to just sit there and be a turret of death and the rattler fits that perfectly for me.
The Mach and Vindi will require a lot more movement but will still put out competitive dps and your missions completion times will be about the same. The Mach will probably be faster due to better agility and warp speed but it's all about your preferences.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:46:16 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I think about Vindicator, Machariel and Rattlesnake. Which one is the best against Guristas (Level 4 missions) in your opinion?
Yep, Rattlesnake. If you were talking null sec anomalies, Vindicator wins (just plop it down in the middle of them and go to town lol). but for missions, rattlesnake. OR Fleet Typhoon. I've used both. Whenn I get lazy with the snake I just pop in FoF cruise missiles and let them and the gecko fly while I go afk for 5 minutes lol.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 10:44:42 -
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Thanks! So the best choice amongst pirate BS is Rattlesnake. However several posters mentioned marauders and faction battleships. While I cannot fly marauders and I won't be able to do it soon I am curious about faction battleships. So what do you think about CNR vs Rattlesnake against Guristas? |
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.10.24 11:13:01 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Thanks! So the best choice amongst pirate BS is Rattlesnake. However several posters mentioned marauders and faction battleships. While I cannot fly marauders and I won't be able to do it soon I am curious about faction battleships. So what do you think about CNR vs Rattlesnake against Guristas?
Except the sexy looks on the Navy Raven, the pricetag on the Rattlesnake is lower. From a pve point of view the Rattlesnake however does have the perfect bonuses for murdering Guristas.
When your co-pilot (one Gecko to rule them all) is getting hurt too much, you can recall him to the dronebay and let missiles do the work for a while.
And do not despair when you get jammed. Being a Gurista ship the Rattlesnake also happens to have a high jamming resist inbuild.
Happy hunting!
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 11:29:26 -
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Great! Could you tell me if Rattlesnake is active or passive shield tanked and if now Rattlesnake is sentry/CM sniper using MJD or mid-range brawler with Gecko? |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.10.24 12:56:17 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Great! Could you tell me if Rattlesnake is active or passive shield tanked and if now Rattlesnake is sentry/CM sniper using MJD or mid-range brawler with Gecko? None of the above. Just murder them straight up.
[Rattlesnake, Summer 33] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Gecko x1 Garde II x2 Warden II x2 Hornet II x5
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:01:56 -
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Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:
[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field Kinetic Deflection Field Thermic Dissipation Field F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Gecko x1 Warden x2 Garde x2 Hobgoblin II x5
Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range. |
Notorious Fellon
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:08:51 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:
[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field Kinetic Deflection Field Thermic Dissipation Field F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Gecko x1 Warden x2 Garde x2 Hobgoblin II x5
Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range.
No repper? Certainly doesn't have enough passive regen if you are trying to go that route.
Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:16:17 -
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Yes. I am not sure how to shield Rattlesnake properly. I have read about two options: passive & active shield tanks but numbers, numbers...I need proper numbers to select fitting elements. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:17:25 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:
[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field Kinetic Deflection Field Thermic Dissipation Field F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Gecko x1 Warden x2 Garde x2 Hobgoblin II x5
Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range. No repper? Certainly doesn't have enough passive regen if you are trying to go that route. And basic T1 launchers? If you can't use T2, at least get Arbalest launchers (or whatever the Meta 4 / 'high damage' variant will be named after module tiericide).
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:20:35 -
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Yes, I can fit better CM launchers. Simply typo. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:05:23 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Yes. I am not sure how to shield Rattlesnake properly. I have read about two options: passive & active shield tanks but numbers, numbers...I need proper numbers to select fitting elements.
Seems you need eft (EVE Fitting Tool) whic h you can find here in this forum section. And don't forget to thank Gripen for his work on that, he is awesome!
Now with this tool you can set up your Rattlesnake, import your character and create fittings which you can import into the EVE client, how cool is that?
Now one thing you also should do is to create a damage profile for Guristas. Play around with eft, you will like it.
And another source of information to keep an eye on would be http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsLevel4 for level 4 missions. But this site also contains invaluable information from players about complexes, DED and COSMOS sites.
One little thing to consider in level 4 missions is that some of them only have a small number of battleship NPCs and a larger number of smaller ones. The Rattlesnake has a bonus for all missile launchers if you have trouble hitting them with cruise missiles. So if you want to use havy assault missiles or heavy missiles, there is no shame involved.
The missle damage bonus is for all missiles and rockets you can fit.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:17:01 -
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Well, I already use EFT with my profile and Guristas damage specs... |
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Notorious Fellon
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:29:21 -
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Start with the fit shown above by Stoicfaux. It is a solid start for an active tank fit.
If you prefer passive tank, then have a look around. I bet you can find threads here and even on Battleclinic that give you a basic idea of how to make a passive fit RS. It is one of the top handful of ships used and talked about for PVE prior to Marauders.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:33:56 -
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I'll look at it but I do not want to use any Capacitor Boosters. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:45:18 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I'll look at it but I do not want to use any Capacitor Boosters. Why not? They are far more effective than passive cap modules and keeping track of an additional type of consumable is surprisingly easy to do.
I opposed cap boosters on mission boats for years, much like you do now. After the first time I tried one (on my Kronos) I never went back.
Having said that, you don't need a cap booster on a passive shield tank. There, your goal is to maximize resists and shield recharge rate (which is done by maximizing hitpoints and minimizing shield recharge time), not cap.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:54:01 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote: Having said that, you don't need a cap booster on a passive shield tank. There, your goal is to maximize resists and shield recharge rate (which is done by maximizing hitpoints and minimizing shield recharge time), not cap.
According to EFT my Rattlesnake's damage profile against Guristas: 120k EHP, 116 HP/s shield recharge time, resists: 87% KIN, 67% THERM. Enough?
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.10.24 21:22:32 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote: Having said that, you don't need a cap booster on a passive shield tank. There, your goal is to maximize resists and shield recharge rate (which is done by maximizing hitpoints and minimizing shield recharge time), not cap.
According to EFT my new Rattlesnake's active pulse shield tank against Guristas: 120k EHP, 428/551 HP/s shield recharge speed, resists: 87% KIN, 67% THERM. Enough?
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 21:33:13 -
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OK. Of course those data are with MJD on-board. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.10.24 23:32:12 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:OK. Of course those data are with MJD on-board. EDIT: Finally I know the trick! The trick for Rattlesnake's active shield tank is: Medium Shield Booster + 2x Kinetic Dissipation Field + LMJD.
If Guristas are exploding left and right from you, you are doing it right.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.25 14:44:11 -
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Mission accomplished! In final version after some skilling I will have 700/900 HP/s sustained/pulsed active shield tank with MJD on my Rattlesnake against Guristas. I think that's enough. |
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