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Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 05:48:42 -
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So when I started playing my other char he quickly did caldari missions and hurt many poor gallente, at the time it seemed like no issue, but later as the game opens up you come to realize it is nice to have open space lanes to travel. My standings with gallente are -6.84 and I have read "the plan" that is a guide to fixing these standings but it seems impossible without always getting storyline missions that would destroy your standings vs another faction. Anyways, I was thinking it would be cool to implement some sort of unpaid labor, a mission line that was accessible in lowsec areas or friendly factions highsec so that those who cannot enter a factions space can humbly repent and work off their debt to the society. Anyways maybe I killed too many gallente and this can never be forgiven. Just an idea, jail, community service, some epic arc that doesnt screw your other standings etc. And maybe make it exponentially hard as its repeated or more work etc... I am thinking this should be a one time thing for those of us out there who came into the game not thinking access to all of high sec mattered and jumped into FW maybe or did something they now just want to repair and keep doing their thing. Anyways any other suggestions or input would be great thanks for reading. - fly dangerous |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6370
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Posted - 2014.10.23 06:31:54 -
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You are one of those people that will make me need glasses before I turn 40. Format your post!
And not supporting. You still have access to two high-sec areas (assuming your security status is okay).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:27:35 -
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Be sure it's not a gallente jail; the food's good but they don't provide free lube. |
Captain Cean
Holy Cookie
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:29:31 -
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you know THERE ARE missions in Low sec for Factions that hate you they called lvl 1 missions
cause you can accept lvl 1 mission even the state hate you so can fix you standing at low sec |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:34:00 -
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No. You want to fix your standings? Grind. Other games have a "fix your poor decisions easily" mechanic and it's fine for those games. EVE is not those games, however, and is about actions having consequences. Now deal with your consequences. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:41:06 -
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Do your community service by killing the appropriate faction of pirates, collecting their tags and turning them in at the datacenters.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:55:51 -
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-1 They already have a form of jail built into the game it is called the mission grind. Go serve your time and follow the prescribed path to rebuild those standings. |
Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:52:36 -
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I am doing that its fun and easy, just thought there could be something more creative. So much hate for a suggestion! hah |
Dank Man
175
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:05:25 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:No. You want to fix your standings? Grind. Other games have a "fix your poor decisions easily" mechanic and it's fine for those games. EVE is not those games, however, and is about actions having consequences. Now deal with your consequences.
What do other games have, please tell me about the other ideas people have used because I do not play other games, that have a faction standings and punishment system eve does. I am not saying its bad its just boring did missions for awhile got bored of them now have to do them to be able to travel but its fine with me. Same missions tho. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:08:37 -
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biomass works. |
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Dank Man
175
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:12:52 -
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I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? |
Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:13:42 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:biomass works.
Dont think i want to biomass 130m+ sp toon thanks for the input tho boss. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:18:41 -
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Dank Man wrote:I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? DATA CENTER TAGS. It is already implemented as a way to put you back to zero any time, and put your standings up once per non-lvl 1 agent in the data center.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:20:45 -
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It was just a suggestion people thinking I care about my personal grind are wrong. I do however know the grind and know that for new players it would be a turnoff for someone who is not as into eve, maybe some would choose to biomass. If that is what you all support fine.
I was looking for a cool idea for a path to repentence, even if it takes longer then 160+ lvl 1 missions per 1 points of - faction standings.... Seems you could do something more intereesting with your time that would make you see parts of the eve universe you maybe dont usually. If it made you participate in a giant battle vs npcs once a month for the faction of choice, or sent you around the universe for hours.
I know there are missions in highsec that I can run, I did those, the most frustrating part would be the storyline faction killing missions that pop up where I think you can find another person who doesnt mind destroying their personal stats, or you choose to decline and have to do another 16 to get offered another an so on.
I am capable and willing to run lvl 1s in lowsec while looking for fights so that is fun for me, LP rewards arent bad for how fast I can drop em, so like I said no problem here. But it is mind numbing and repetative (as is much of eve pve...) I was just hoping to bring some new aspect to the serious consequences that are faction standings in eve...
Everyone chill and maybe contribute ideas or just keep quiet thanks. |
Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:23:31 -
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James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? DATA CENTER TAGS. It is already implemented as a way to put you back to zero any time, and put your standings up once per non-lvl 1 agent in the data center.
I did not know about that stuff, thanks for the intel. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:11:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? DATA CENTER TAGS. It is already implemented as a way to put you back to zero any time, and put your standings up once per non-lvl 1 agent in the data center. I did not know about that stuff, thanks for the intel. Quite well detailed in "The Plan" if you look into the "standings recovery section"
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:16:34 -
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James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? DATA CENTER TAGS. It is already implemented as a way to put you back to zero any time, and put your standings up once per non-lvl 1 agent in the data center. I did not know about that stuff, thanks for the intel. Quite well detailed in "The Plan" if you look into the "standings recovery section"
Yeah I had read about that but still hadnt used them, knew it involved tags but wasnt thinking that you just bought them. Also was thought they were off limits to people at -5.0 or lower because they are all in high sec so kinda hard to transport tags or safely meet up with them. I figured they were in space like beacons I did not want to get blapped before unloading the tags. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:28:28 -
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Dank Man wrote:James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:James Baboli wrote:Dank Man wrote:I do find it funny they allow people to buy all their sec back now while I have flown hours in circles in GW farming sec back in the past when needed in a bomber... So it seems they want to make it easy for sec (which was easy) but not for faction? DATA CENTER TAGS. It is already implemented as a way to put you back to zero any time, and put your standings up once per non-lvl 1 agent in the data center. I did not know about that stuff, thanks for the intel. Quite well detailed in "The Plan" if you look into the "standings recovery section" Yeah I had read about that but still hadnt used them, knew it involved tags but wasnt thinking that you just bought them. Also was thought they were off limits to people at -5.0 or lower because they are all in high sec so kinda hard to transport tags or safely meet up with them. I figured they were in space like beacons I did not want to get blapped before unloading the tags. They are. Deliver a load of tags in shuttle and then dock back up, rinse and repeat.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:28:58 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:You are one of those people that will make me need glasses before I turn 40. Format your post!
And not supporting. You still have access to two high-sec areas (assuming your security status is okay).
ah yes one of the forum trolls that can be bothered to read...then dont post I have 20/20 at 29 and easily ready the fox space news post in the crime section.
To the guy that says running missions when you get bad rep to do level 1s. I was going to do that with a character i was going to rebalance standings i was going to need over 1500 lvl 1 missions......
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:12:39 -
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Agondray wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:You are one of those people that will make me need glasses before I turn 40. Format your post!
And not supporting. You still have access to two high-sec areas (assuming your security status is okay). ah yes one of the forum trolls that can be bothered to read...then dont post I have 20/20 at 29 and easily ready the fox space news post in the crime section. To the guy that says running missions when you get bad rep to do level 1s. I was going to do that with a character i was going to rebalance standings i was going to need over 1500 lvl 1 missions...... Diplomacy, fast talk and so on will help massively.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:21:47 -
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I would only support a jail/court system if....
1.) we could have a module to capture/drag pods back to a station 2.) Jailing meant a character lockout or something...time dependent on a player based jury system of offended peers or something (look up archeage...but make a better court system)
or 3.) if properly linked one day....we can use dust toons to board like say -10 criminals in highsec...and i then get a privateer commission on their vessel if successfully captured intact.
4.) in lieu of jail time...gankers have to mine x number of rocks before being allowed in a combat ship....and i dont know...miners are forced to gank x number of times. |
Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.24 04:59:17 -
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Max Deveron wrote:I would only support a jail/court system if....
1.) we could have a module to capture/drag pods back to a station 2.) Jailing meant a character lockout or something...time dependent on a player based jury system of offended peers or something (look up archeage...but make a better court system)
or 3.) if properly linked one day....we can use dust toons to board like say -10 criminals in highsec...and i then get a privateer commission on their vessel if successfully captured intact.
4.) in lieu of jail time...gankers have to mine x number of rocks before being allowed in a combat ship....and i dont know...miners are forced to gank x number of times. best suggestions EVER! lol |
Je'ron
The Happy Shooters
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:43:10 -
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James Baboli wrote: ... Diplomacy, fast talk and so on will help massively.
Yep, SoE epic arcs as well. Afaik this is the only one that gives faction standing increases without derived (negative nor positive) modifications to the other factions. AND faction standing award can be shared with fleet members, so grind those alts |
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:13:50 -
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Well, I suppose it isn't necessarily a bad suggestion. I think that if CCP was to add something like this, there would definitely need to be some sort of subsequent consequence. For instance, if you are serving jail time/community service in the way you are asking for it, there would need to be something like a skillpoint decomposition. Skyrim has a feature like that, where you lose progress to the next level of some of your skill trees when serving jail time.
However, we're now talking about stealing parts of another game and putting them into Eve, which I don't think should happen. Eve is Eve, not Skyrim or anything else. I'm gonna have to side with most of the others and say -1. Congratulations on being a new citizen of New Eden. The welcome isn't very warm and the learning curve is a b**ch. Sounds to me like you learned a valuable lesson here. EVERYTHING in Eve has consequences. Go grind yourself back up to good standings with the Gallente, and from now on, pay attention to what the consequences are for different actions. That way you don't have to worry about dealing with consequences that you don't want to deal with.
Side note: Aside from running lvl 1 missions to grind your standings back up, you can also kill rats in Gallente space for small increases to your Gallente standing. You....should be aware that "small" is a bit of an understatement, however.
The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem?
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.10.24 23:45:33 -
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Agondray wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:You are one of those people that will make me need glasses before I turn 40. Format your post!
And not supporting. You still have access to two high-sec areas (assuming your security status is okay). ah yes one of the forum trolls that can be bothered to read...then dont post I have 20/20 at 29 and easily ready the fox space news post in the crime section. To the guy that says running missions when you get bad rep to do level 1s. I was going to do that with a character i was going to rebalance standings i was going to need over 1500 lvl 1 missions......
But you do knowm, that after 4 or 5 storyline missions you can do level 2 missions or you could repair your standing by ratting in lowsec, right?
Lowsec battleship rats (Serpentis) will rep you up in notime.
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Dank Man
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Posted - 2014.10.25 06:01:02 -
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Wolf Incaelum wrote:Well, I suppose it isn't necessarily a bad suggestion. I think that if CCP was to add something like this, there would definitely need to be some sort of subsequent consequence. For instance, if you are serving jail time/community service in the way you are asking for it, there would need to be something like a skillpoint decomposition. Skyrim has a feature like that, where you lose progress to the next level of some of your skill trees when serving jail time.
However, we're now talking about stealing parts of another game and putting them into Eve, which I don't think should happen. Eve is Eve, not Skyrim or anything else. I'm gonna have to side with most of the others and say -1. Congratulations on being a new citizen of New Eden. The welcome isn't very warm and the learning curve is a b**ch. Sounds to me like you learned a valuable lesson here. EVERYTHING in Eve has consequences. Go grind yourself back up to good standings with the Gallente, and from now on, pay attention to what the consequences are for different actions. That way you don't have to worry about dealing with consequences that you don't want to deal with.
Side note: Aside from running lvl 1 missions to grind your standings back up, you can also kill rats in Gallente space for small increases to your Gallente standing. You....should be aware that "small" is a bit of an understatement, however.
I do not consider myself a new citizen of eve, maybe to recent exile from null to high sec and a never PvEr so always new to some aspects of eve, isnt that the fun part of eve :) |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.25 10:33:15 -
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Dank Man wrote: unpaid labor,
So you want everyone to become the Minmatar? Sounds good to me... Let me know when you can come by and change the paint job on my Paladin...
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