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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:36:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I love the part where Tears Belvar adamantly states that no one should be forced to PvP, but that PvP oriented players should in fact be forced into PvE activities.
Because you cannot be a carebear without being a hypocrite, folks. They are inseparable.
That's even more true than you know, double standards are at the heart of 'carebearism'.
Care bears want "to be left alone" to do what they want, but what they want to do involves actions that have a measurable impact on others. Every unit of ore they mine decrease the value of everyone Else's ore. Every NPC bounty they receive lowers the value of the isk in everyone Else's wallet. Every LP store item they acquire does the same thing. They KNOW this.
Yet they claim that they "aren't hurting anyone and stay in high second so should be left alone". If they wanted to be "alone" and didn't care about the money {*} they'd be playing on SiSi, or would be playing another space based mmo (like Star Trek Online that by designed doesn't allowed unwanted pvp) or would be playing X-Rebrith where other players can't even get to them at all in any way because it's a single player game.
No, what they really want is to have their cake (ie gameplay in a multiplayer environment where actions matter) and eat it too (total safety against OTHER people's actions mattering. At the heart of carebearism is a deep and unrepentant selfishness that this game world would be so much better without.
As a PVE player (but not a carebear) I understand and accept that the price I pay for doing what I want (exploring, mission running etc) is having to spend time and effort on protecting myself and my interests from players who (legitimately within the EULA) have competing interests, whether it's that guy in Jita undercutting my price on Virtue implants or that guy in Osmon who just went suspect in Osmon as he steals my mission objective (hah hah fool, I'm +9 to Sisters of EVE, i just fail the mission and get another, good luck selling that thing you tried to extort me for on contracts ).
I despise true carebears so much that I'm going to Washington DC about it. I'm going to form a PAC (political action committee) to lobby congress for anti carebear laws. My PAC will actually be named, well, PAC... "PVErs Against Carebearism". Don't forget to vote in November!
-- {*} just to add, i remember before the 1st incursion nerf how many in the community railed against the changes because "imaginary space money doesn't matter, I run incursions for the community aspect" CCP nerfed incursions and the same community that didn't care about the isk F'd off back to missions or faction warfare to make better money, leaving the incursion communities they claimed to love behind to die until CCP slightly un-nerfed them.
I guess it really was about the imaginary space money after all |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:25:39 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Whenever I see an article about bitter, detached people using online anonymity to bully others that are less knowledgeable or experienced about a game (oh my) I pretty much know where to find a bunch of those people.
EvE should change its slogan from "Trust no One" to "Ignore most".
But then again if CCP did their part to constantly innovate and change the paradigm people would have less opportunity to hone their bitterness into well crafted weapons.
No one is innocent, you choose to play or not. Unfortunately many would choose to see this game die than live if it meant they had to spend a single moment thinking.
Yes, it's pretty pathetic how the only enjoyment for so many PvP folks comes from trying to make other players, especially PvE ones, miserable. It's one thing to go after people because you have some legitimate strategic objective to achieve, but to go after people just because you can and just because you enjoying spreading misery is nothing short of disgraceful and dysfunctional. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:35:06 -
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i agree with u but this wouldnt happen if the bears had teeth. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:38:53 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:i agree with u but this wouldnt happen if the bears had teeth.
You shouldn't need "teeth" to operate in high security space. The police force should punish with enough force to deter the conduct. This means progressively more painful punishments for repeat criminals, and especially for those whose sole in game play is to commit crimes in highsec. Players in Eve are not law enforcement, they have no power to punish beyond destroying ship and pod, and since gankers can accomplish their goals with laughably cheap versions of those, it follows that player punishments have no tangible impact. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:43:33 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:You shouldn't need "teeth" to operate in high security space. The police force should punish with enough force to deter the conduct. This means progressively more painful punishments for repeat criminals, and especially for those whose sole in game play is to commit crimes in highsec. Players in Eve are not law enforcement, they have no power to punish beyond destroying ship and pod, and since gankers can accomplish their goals with laughably cheap versions of those, it follows that player punishments have no tangible impact.
do the police do that in real life? or do people get off scott free all the time for things like gbh and assault.
a friend of mine was attacked by another dude chocked and slammed up against a wall all in front of cctv. police didnt want to know.
If you walk around the city flashing your cash and ur expensive **** do u think that people will not target you. also dont you think they would be less likely to target you if u were also extremely muscular and known to not take bullshit from people?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:50:57 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:You shouldn't need "teeth" to operate in high security space. The police force should punish with enough force to deter the conduct. This means progressively more painful punishments for repeat criminals, and especially for those whose sole in game play is to commit crimes in highsec. Players in Eve are not law enforcement, they have no power to punish beyond destroying ship and pod, and since gankers can accomplish their goals with laughably cheap versions of those, it follows that player punishments have no tangible impact. do the police do that in real life? or do people get off scott free all the time for things like gbh and assault. a friend of mine was attacked by another dude choked and slammed up against a wall all in front of cctv. police didnt want to know. If you walk around the city flashing your cash and ur expensive **** do u think that people will not target you. also dont you think they would be less likely to target you if u were also extremely muscular and known to not take bullshit from people?
Not sure where you are from but where I live in upper-middle class suburbia the police take these things very seriously. Sure if one low class/gang affiliated/criminal record person assaults another low class/gang affiliated/criminal record person the police may not express much interest. But if someone commits assault against middle to upper class law abiding citizens with no criminal record the severe punishments tend to follow quickly, not to mention the civil lawsuits.
Which is what highsec should be like. Shooting people with dodgy reputations? Slap on the wrist. Shooting the core law abiding PvE population? Severe punishment.
Again, I don't know where you are from, but where I live there are expensive cars/houses/jewelry all over, and no people don't come and "target" us because of the significant deterrent imposed by the legal system as well as the robust and visible police force. Somehow, despite being neither muscular nor known for my brawling skills, I have managed to avoid being targeted for RL crimes. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:53:47 -
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well life isnt cushty all over.
there are places...
on earth...
where people eat other people... |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
237
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:54:57 -
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Dev's refusal to draw any sort of line. Refusal to talk about any policy. Refusal to admit they derped. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:56:02 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:well life isnt cushty all over.
there are places...
on earth...
where people eat other people...
The Ozarks and Appalachia in the US come to mind.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:57:03 -
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lol |
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:57:15 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:well life isnt cushty all over.
there are places...
on earth...
where people eat other people...
True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec?
Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:57:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:It's one thing to go after people because you have some legitimate strategic objective to achieve, but to go after people just because you can and just because you enjoying spreading misery is nothing short of disgraceful and dysfunctional. Ah, but ganking does have a legitimate strategic objective: it helps make the economy go round. Why, if carebears didn't have anything to lose they really wouldn't have anything to gain!
Also, in CODE.'s case at least, the ganking spectacle makes them money. Think of it as theatre. I paid for my two tickets and, look! I am entertained!
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:00:41 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec?
Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec.
do u want to hold hands as well? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:04:11 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec?
Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec.
do u want to hold hands as well?
Probably not with you, he has a mancrush on Baltec1.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:12:47 -
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La Nariz wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec?
Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec.
do u want to hold hands as well? Probably not with you, he has a mancrush on Baltec1.
get help |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:16:37 -
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Veers Belvar, in every post he makes wrote:I have delusions of grandeur and grossly misunderstand the nature of the game I have chosen to play.
I believe that highsec should be the equivalent of a gated community, one with a police officer on every corner to stop the nasty people from making my spaceship explode or using my own stupidity against me to achieve their own ends.
I believe that people who indulge in the darker side of Eve are nasty people in real life, because their in game persona is a direct reflection of them in real life.
I want CCP to change their game so that those that play the game as villains in highsec are punished in the manner in which I feel to be appropriate, because I'm too damn lazy to use the mechanics already available to me to do it myself.
I know better than anyone, including CCP, what is good for the game.
I'm an expert in all matters Eve related, listen to me because I'm always right.
I shall randomly insult people and then reroll my corp when they decide to retort ingame. All of the above wasn't actually posted by Veers, however it's a pretty accurate summary of his posts IMHO.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
150
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:17:19 -
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be careful veers those are goons. who u know burn jita
like **** da police |
Lupe Meza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:19:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:i agree with u but this wouldnt happen if the bears had teeth. You shouldn't need "teeth" to operate in high security space. The police force should punish with enough force to deter the conduct. This means progressively more painful punishments for repeat criminals, and especially for those whose sole in game play is to commit crimes in highsec. Players in Eve are not law enforcement, they have no power to punish beyond destroying ship and pod, and since gankers can accomplish their goals with laughably cheap versions of those, it follows that player punishments have no tangible impact.
Not sure if I completely agree, a player in EvE's role is whatever that player decides it to be. So if they decide to be a perpetual victim that doesn't "need the teeth" required to defend themselves or their interests in this game so be it. But in the end, they will be just that, a perpetual victim.
That said however, I don't think the current state of affairs in balanced because of some of the reasons you brought up. When you have so many multi-year old characters with scads of disposable income and free time because they are "bored" that they aimlessly can throw away ships for the express purpose of ruining another's play experience solely for the sake of ruining another's play experience; I'm not seeing where they are ever truly at "risk," yet they consider to reap the "reward" of their activities.
It is a bizarre universe where missioners, miners and industrialists are at greater risk in high security space than "Highsec PvP'ers". I personally wouldn't mind CCP putting more weight into a persistent system where your actions have more consequence, especially those that result in sec loss, in space that is labeled as High Security. Pirates and criminals should be about as safe in High Sec as a carebear missioner is in low sec in my opinion. I'm talking gate and station lockout in high sec for any action that causes you to go supsect for the duration of the suspect timer to give the victim or third parties a chance to hunt the offender down, doubling the amount of tags required to improve sec status, and lowering the negative status required to be permanently engage-able in High Sec.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:20:43 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:be careful veers those are goons. who u know burn jita
like **** da police
I think you meant to say -
Be careful Veers, those are Goons, who u know just abandoned a nice chunk of their sov and renters, holed up in Deklein like a bunch of cowards, and are about to get beaten down by a whole multitude of bigger kids on the block. RIP Goons. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
622
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:23:33 -
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Oh the buttery goodness. If only my popcorn also came with bacon. Did anyone else happen to read the OP's most recent post in this thread? I'll TL;DR it for you... Enlightened Recantment. Sooo... given that, the bloody shirt, why is it still being waved? Propagation of a false notion of safety in highsec is a disservice to every nooblet who plays this game. By championing this cause you are poisoning the very people whom you claim to protect. You do harm by shielding them from the world, and no amount of sperging is going to change the nature of the world into this virtual beary bear paradise you envision for all. Stahp. |
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
150
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:23:51 -
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i heard pl sold a lot of thier space recently as well. i guess becuase of the changes to long distance travel a lot of big corps/alliances are re-evaluating the space they can effectively hold. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:26:08 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec?
Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec.
do u want to hold hands as well? Probably not with you, he has a mancrush on Baltec1. get help
I don't need it I can separate the game from real life whereas you cannot.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:26:42 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:You shouldn't need "teeth" to operate in high security space. The police force should punish with enough force to deter the conduct. This means progressively more painful punishments for repeat criminals, and especially for those whose sole in game play is to commit crimes in highsec. Players in Eve are not law enforcement, they have no power to punish beyond destroying ship and pod, and since gankers can accomplish their goals with laughably cheap versions of those, it follows that player punishments have no tangible impact. do the police do that in real life? or do people get off scott free all the time for things like gbh and assault. a friend of mine was attacked by another dude choked and slammed up against a wall all in front of cctv. police didnt want to know. If you walk around the city flashing your cash and ur expensive **** do u think that people will not target you. also dont you think they would be less likely to target you if u were also extremely muscular and known to not take bullshit from people? Not sure where you are from but where I live in upper-middle class suburbia the police take these things very seriously. Sure if one low class/gang affiliated/criminal record person assaults another low class/gang affiliated/criminal record person the police may not express much interest. But if someone commits assault against middle to upper class law abiding citizens with no criminal record the severe punishments tend to follow quickly, not to mention the civil lawsuits. Which is what highsec should be like. Shooting people with dodgy reputations? Slap on the wrist. Shooting the core law abiding PvE population? Severe punishment. Again, I don't know where you are from, but where I live there are expensive cars/houses/jewelry all over, and no people don't come and "target" us because of the significant deterrent imposed by the legal system as well as the robust and visible police force. Somehow, despite being neither muscular nor known for my brawling skills, I have managed to avoid being targeted for RL crimes.
That you come from that the kind of coddled and entitled real life environment where one does not feel the need to take responsibility for his own personal safety comes as absolutely no shock what-so-ever.
And i mean that, as a member of "real life CONCORD" (if only I could magically drop out of the like in game CONCORD could, that would be aces lol), I deal with (and take reports from) your type all the time. The "I pay taxes so other people should protect me" types who ALWAYS get victimized, unlike the "my protection is my responsibility, the police are just back up and after event clean up" types who NEVER get victimized.
EVE mirrors real life. Just as I've seen people get mad at everyone (The gankers, the scammers, CCP etc) but themselves, I've seen people in real life get mad at ME for not magically being around to stop that guy that broke into their BMW they parked on a public street with an IPhone, Ipad and laptop in the passengers seat in plain view instead of taking the literal 5 seconds it would have taken to put those items in the trunk or at least hide them by covering them and putting them in the floor.
Funny thing is, I come from a high crime type area and learning how to not 'get got' happens around the time you learn how to walk....just like EVE. This may be why people like me (real PVE players) fit into EVE and people from the more....1st world...neighborhoods tend to...well, not lol.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:27:57 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:i heard pl sold a lot of thier space recently as well. i guess becuase of the changes to long distance travel a lot of big corps/alliances are re-evaluating the space they can effectively hold.
All of it, from what I understand. Northern Coalition is also abandoning huge swaths of renter sov.
All the nullsec empires are being forced to consolidate, and to move closer to each other, which should create some nice conflicts and power changes in nullsec at last. The biggest losers in all this will be the CFC/Goons (and who knows if the CFC is even worth keeping anymore), who will now actually need to PLAY the game. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
150
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:30:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:which should create some nice conflicts and power changes in nullsec at last.
i certainly hope so |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:30:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:That you come from that the kind of coddled and entitled real life environment where one does not feel the need to take responsibility for his own personal safety comes as absolutely no shock what-so-ever. And i mean that, as a member of "real life CONCORD" (if only I could magically drop out of the like in game CONCORD could, that would be aces lol), I deal with (and take reports from) your type all the time. The "I pay taxes so other people should protect me" types who ALWAYS get victimized, unlike the "my protection is my responsibility, the police are just back up and after event clean up" types who NEVER get victimized. EVE mirrors real life. Just as I've seen people get mad at everyone (The gankers, the scammers, CCP etc) but themselves, I've seen people in real life get mad at ME for not magically being around to stop that guy that broke into their BMW they parked on a public street with an IPhone, Ipad and laptop in the passengers seat in plain view instead of taking the literal 5 seconds it would have taken to put those items in the trunk or at least hide them by covering them and putting them in the floor. Funny thing is, I come from a high crime type area and learning how to not 'get got' happens around the time you learn how to walk....just like EVE. This may be why people like me (real PVE players) fit into EVE and people from the more....1st world...neighborhoods tend to...well, not lol.
And yet, amusingly, despite your whole diatribe, you apparently failed to realize that I have been victimized neither in Eve nor in RL. So seems I am "fitting" in just fine, thank you. As opposed to the miners, haulers, etc.... who get stomped on by new players and quit the game, apparently to the delight of many here. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
150
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:32:20 -
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in jenna's defence you go on about it like it happens to you everyday. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2843
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:33:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: And yet, amusingly, despite your whole diatribe, you apparently failed to realize that I have been victimized neither in Eve nor in RL. So seems I am "fitting" in just fine, thank you. As opposed to the miners, haulers, etc.... who get stomped on by new players and quit the game, apparently to the delight of many here.
Good the bolded part is the point and intentional. You shouldn't be victimized in real life over anything done here in the game. If newbies are ganking haulers and miners good for them too hopefully they have found their niche in the game.
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:34:37 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:in jenna's defence you go on about it like it happens to you everyday.
No, I go on about it because it happens to MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE every day, and they mostly respond by quitting the game and are not here to post about it. Or else they do post about it and get relentlessly mocked and disparaged. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:37:42 -
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friends of yours? |
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