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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:04:33 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Confirming that I also lack evidence that the world is round, that man has landed on the moon, that most people are pleased electricity was invented, and a host of other claims, so they should all be considered fabrications for now. So we're back to hyperbole, back up your claims if you want them to be taken seriously. Otherwise you will be mocked and no one is going to believe a word you say kind of like how we treat dinsdale. However he is at least funny.
When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21215
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:12:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth
TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:14:32 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Confirming that I also lack evidence that the world is round, that man has landed on the moon, that most people are pleased electricity was invented, and a host of other claims, so they should all be considered fabrications for now. So we're back to hyperbole, back up your claims if you want them to be taken seriously. Otherwise you will be mocked and no one is going to believe a word you say kind of like how we treat dinsdale. However he is at least funny.
It's pretty laughable that you think the idea that highsec miners are unhappy with the ganking/bumping mechanics is a proposition that needs to be proven. Do you ever try actually talking to folks in highsec (the "pubbies" as you derisively call them)? |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:17:46 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I see nothing in the above inconsistent with harsher penalties on career criminals, or to support the idea of folks who pop pods every 15 minutes or gank freighters every 15 minutes.
Did you even read it?
What part of
Quote:The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold.
is hard for you to comprehend? |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
158
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:18:36 -
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2856
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:21:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Confirming that I also lack evidence that the world is round, that man has landed on the moon, that most people are pleased electricity was invented, and a host of other claims, so they should all be considered fabrications for now. So we're back to hyperbole, back up your claims if you want them to be taken seriously. Otherwise you will be mocked and no one is going to believe a word you say kind of like how we treat dinsdale. However he is at least funny. It's pretty laughable that you think the idea that highsec miners are unhappy with the ganking/bumping mechanics is a proposition that needs to be proven. Do you ever try actually talking to folks in highsec (the "pubbies" as you derisively call them)?
Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.
None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:
-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,
-you hold the same views they hold.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2860
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:23:59 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball.
I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after .
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:24:31 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.
None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:
-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,
-you hold the same views they hold.
I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words?
Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.
But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:26:19 -
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La Nariz wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball. I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after .
Insinuations of homosexuality (and false ones I might add!)? The new Goon meta? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2860
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:26:19 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.
None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:
-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,
-you hold the same views they hold.
I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words? Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners. But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.
If they are obviously true then you have no excuse for refusing to produce evidence of them.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:27:05 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.
None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:
-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,
-you hold the same views they hold.
I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words? Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners. But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE. If they are obviously true then you have no excuse for refusing to produce evidence of them.
I have. Not every piece of evidence involves charts and graphs. Talking to people is also evidence. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1341
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:28:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.
None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:
-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,
-you hold the same views they hold.
I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words? Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners. But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.
La Nariz is not a scammer. Well at least he was not when I asked him how to join Goonwaffe. I didn't join because :reasons: but at the end of the exchange, I was left with a hoard of information and my asset list/wallet intact. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2860
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:29:50 -
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@veers:
Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2860
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:31:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball. I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after . Insinuations of homosexuality (and false ones I might add!)? The new Goon meta?
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8780
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:33:09 -
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La Nariz wrote:@veers:
Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you.
You're asking for evidence from someone who isn't an evidence based thinker lol.
On a side note, it's typical of an discussion with high sec partisans. we can go back and look at any of those old thread naughts about high vs null and see the null side provide links and graphs and ccp videos and copy pasted dev posts and other forms of evidence while the high sec side would post "well, everyone I've talked to said" and nothing else.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:33:47 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
Ooooh....epic.
Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."
It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21216
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:34:37 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners. If they can find one that's actually able to respond because they're not AFK
Quote:But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE. You mean all of those people who appear to have a problem distinguishing the difference between reality and fantasy and spew vitriol and threats of real life violence for acts carried out in a virtual world? They're hardly well adjusted individuals tbh.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:34:58 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:La Nariz wrote:@veers:
Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you. You're asking for evidence from someone who isn't an evidence based thinker lol. On a side note, it's typical of an discussion with high sec partisans. we can go back and look at any of those old thread naughts about high vs null and see the null side provide links and graphs and ccp videos and copy pasted dev posts and other forms of evidence while the high sec side would post "well, everyone I've talked to said" and nothing else.
There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2860
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:35:30 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?
I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:38:48 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.
You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here? |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21216
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:41:53 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out. Maybe you should start one, I'll even make it easy for you by providing the first response.
I'm a highsec PvE player and I think that the current highsec mechanics are fine because I takes precautions to protect myself from the actions of others who may play the game more aggressively that I do.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6266
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:45:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Accuse me of homosexuality
stop typing verrs, for your own good.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:47:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Accuse me of homosexuality
stop typing verrs, for your own good.
Hardly. Expecting at least a minimal level of decorum on the forums should not be too much to ask for. I don't think the supposed "dystopian" society of Eve extends to the forums. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2861
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:50:48 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia. You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here?
I noted an observation I never accused you of anything. You are the one that got homophobic on all of us.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:51:11 -
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Tears Belvar everyone, Tears. He'll be here all week.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
198
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:53:30 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.
Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia. You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here? I noted an observation I never accused you of anything. You are the one that got homophobic on all of us.
No you suggested that my sexual preference is homosexuality without a shred of evidence for it. Why you would do such a thing is beyond me. Is this the new Goon tactic to try and antagonize their opponents...suggest things about their personal preferences? Why not try to stick to substantive issues on the forums and avoid this kind of personal garbage? As a recruiter for a major alliance I expect a lot more from you - try to show at least a minimal level of class here. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6268
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:58:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Accuse me of homosexuality
stop typing verrs, for your own good. Hardly. Expecting at least a minimal level of decorum on the forums should not be too much to ask for. I don't think the supposed "dystopian" society of Eve extends to the forums. completely missing the point there bucko.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2861
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:01:11 -
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@veers:
Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence.
e: I don't care what pubbies think of us they don't hold any sort of power over us and thet harbor bigotry for us because they don't like our culture.
The worthy get to join the unworthy get to wail on the forums about us and be refused entrance.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:04:05 -
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La Nariz wrote:@veers:
Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence.
That I said he is a better propagandist and has clearer talking points is in no conceivable way an indication of sexual preference.
Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6271
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:08:26 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.
Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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