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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8674
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:31:37 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Black Pedro wrote:
All of this is by design. Eve is suppose to be a dark dystopia where there is no real punishment for anti-social conduct beyond what other players can provide.
Players are suppose to go down the wrong path. Players are not expected to choose good over evil. Players have the choice to do what they want - build or destroy. It is a competitive PvP game from its core.
None of this means the people playing this game are evil - it is after all just a game.
This really isn't true. Highsec is designed with an infallible police force that wipes out criminals, no matter how powerful they are. Your description may be accurate for nullsec, but certainly not for highsec.
This is a classic trait of the high sec crowd: believing EVE is some balkanized 'thing' instead of what it is; a singular whole. The rules apply everywhere, the ONLY difference is the consequences in high sec.
CONCORD does not wipe out criminals, criminals fly everyday in high sec in full view of CONCORD. The system provides a consequence for certain actions, but that's all. Guns don't magically stop working just because one is in high sec.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10176
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:34:23 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And here I thought that nobody was fool enough to fall for that trick anymore. There's always more new players to fall for it.
No, I meant in this day and age, where a high school degree is not an unusual thing.
No even semi educated man or woman would un-ironically fall for that one.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Valkin Mordirc
338
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:35:15 -
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Anslo wrote:3edgy5me bruh
Some people are quite nice in Eve, others are toxic. I, personally, decided to stay instead of abandon Eve and try to change it for the better. The last thing we need are more Jenna Sides.
*Jenn aSide
Also people make EVE great. It's it dirty that make EVE great.
Without Kane, Monk, the Guiding Hand Society, EVE wouldn't be EVE.
I find it funny that become are Toxic to people who Wardec, and suspect game, before they even actually know the person. They just assume that I am out to grief because I'm a wardeccer. If I'm playing the game as intended then there should be no reason for the hate, but there is, and it's because people seem to confuse Wardeccing and the such, as griefing, which it's not.
I'm actually a fairly nice person, right up until someone decides for me that I'm a psychopath.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10176
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:35:27 -
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Anslo wrote:3edgy5me bruh
Some people are quite nice in Eve, others are toxic. I, personally, decided to stay instead of abandon Eve and try to change it for the better. The last thing we need are more Jenna Sides.
Is that why you have a link in your sig to a blog where you advocate deliberate abuse of the petition system to try to ban people you don't like?
Yeah, the game totally needs more of you.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8674
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:37:09 -
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Anslo wrote:3edgy5me bruh
Some people are quite nice in Eve, others are toxic. I, personally, decided to stay instead of abandon Eve and try to change it for the better. The last thing we need are more Jenna Sides.
Better for who? Do you go into biker bars in real life with flowers and literature about politeness in hopes to change things? Why not just go to the nearest knitting circle instead so you can feel at home (lol)? Who are you to decide what's 'better' for thousands of people?
What we're talking about isn't "nice" vs "Toxic". I'm nice to everyone in game because I don't try to shoot them unless they are in a position to shoot back . I simply don't expect anyone else to have to follow MY personal behavior code, because unlike some i believe in the concept of freedom (even in a video game). What others do (within the bounds of the EULA) is fair play and none of my business.
In all aspects of life their are people who belong and people who try to fit their square pegs into some round holes. don't get mad at me because you don't fit.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8681
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:38:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:3edgy5me bruh
Some people are quite nice in Eve, others are toxic. I, personally, decided to stay instead of abandon Eve and try to change it for the better. The last thing we need are more Jenna Sides. Is that why you have a link in your sig to a blog where you advocate deliberate abuse of the petition system to try to ban people you don't like? Yeah, the game totally needs more of you.
You should hear him on comms, it's...interesting what he thinks of himself and his ability to FC lol.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19159
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:39:32 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Also people make EVE great. It's it dirty that make EVE great.
Without Kane, Monk, the Guiding Hand Society, EVE wouldn't be EVE. *Guiding Hand Social Club
And GHSC were gentlemen and scholars. Kids these days are just thugs.
Quote:I find it funny that become are Toxic to people who Wardec, and suspect game, before they even actually know the person. They just assume that I am out to grief because I'm a wardeccer. If I'm playing the game as intended then there should be no reason for the hate, but there is, and it's because people seem to confuse Wardeccing and the such, as griefing, which it's not. My issue isn't the wardec this or station games that (ok I hate station games but for a totall different reason ( **** you Thanny pilot in Syndi we hot dropped on YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)). It's the attitude. The game mechanics are the game mechanics. Working as intended etc. My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Quote:I'm actually a fairly nice person, right up until someone decides for me that I'm a psychopath. 8/10 would bang tbh
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is that why you have a link in your sig to a blog where you advocate deliberate abuse of the petition system to try to ban people you don't like? Yeah, the game totally needs more of you.
:effort:
Get mad. Stay mad.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8681
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:40:16 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:And I'm proud to encourage adjustments in what I consider to be a positive direction.
You for got the words "for me" at the end of that sentence.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19159
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:41:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Better for who? Do you go into biker bars in real life with flowers and literature about politeness in hopes to change things? Why not just go to the nearest knitting circle instead so you can feel at home (lol)? Who are you to decide what's 'better' for thousands of people? No, by teaching people to teach others how to pve AND pvp and shoot bads in the face without the vitriol.
Quote:What we're talking about isn't "nice" vs "Toxic". I'm nice to everyone in game because I don't try to shoot them unless they are in a position to shoot back . I simply don't expect anyone else to have to follow MY personal behavior code, because unlike some i believe in the concept of freedom (even in a video game). What others do (within the bounds of the EULA) is fair play and none of my business. Well **** son, good on you. No sarcasm, literally, I like that.
Quote:In all aspects of life their are people who belong and people who try to fit their square pegs into some round holes. don't get mad at me because you don't fit. I'm not. I just make a new hole for the newbro or carebear to fit in to.
Jenn aSide wrote:You should hear him on comms, it's...interesting what he thinks of himself and his ability to FC lol. Yeah, I think I'm a **** FC. P sure everyone can confirm this.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10179
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:45:05 -
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Anslo wrote:My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Translation:
"If all of the risk of loss were tissues and butt floss, oh what a world it would be"
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19164
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:45:40 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Translation: "If all of the risk of loss were tissues and butt floss, oh what a world it would be"
u w0t meight
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8686
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:47:06 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:What is really wrong with EvE, is people like the OP, who make silly mistakes, then rather than learn from it and move on, come to the forums to cry about how their gaming fun was ruined, and how the game should be changed to make it easier for them.
I can't like this enough. + 1000
People do it all the time here and in real life: They make a stupid mistake, but admitting it was stupid would hurt their ego, so they externalize the fault to save themselves that pain.
Ironically, they end up causing themselves MORE pain in the long run because instead of learning to think and avoid the mistake, they make the mistake again and again (you don't have to change your own behavior when it's "always someone else's fault").
Taking responsibility for your actions and choices (even in a game) isn't noble, its wise, because it leads you to modify your own behavior to prevent the bad things from even happening in the 1st place. These people who run from responsibility never seem to learn that, not even when they get repeatedly ganked in a video game or repeatedly arrested in real life lol. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:48:34 -
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Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Translation: "If all of the risk of loss were tissues and butt floss, oh what a world it would be" u w0t meight
I thought it was obvious.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:49:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:And I'm proud to encourage adjustments in what I consider to be a positive direction. You for got the words "for me" at the end of that sentence.
Not sure what you are trying to say. I'm already doing quite well and am essentially gank proof. I express sympathy for the newer and more casual players who are getting ganked out of the game, and advocate steps to prevent that kind of nonsense in highsec. |
Anslo
Scope Works
19164
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:02 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Translation: "If all of the risk of loss were tissues and butt floss, oh what a world it would be" u w0t meight I thought it was obvious.
u ******* wot meight
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Valkin Mordirc
343
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:28 -
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GUYS
There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something...
#DeleteTheWeak
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6523
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:30 -
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I think Jenn and Kaarous date IRL.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:33 -
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People get to be their true selves in an online game. They get to unleash all their anger, racism, hate, fear, doubt, sexism, and more onto an entire population of other people. It gives them the ability to let out what they feel in a safe environment, which btw I might add is far more constructive then them doing so in the real world. It is therefore perhaps a great service to society that games like this provide some sort of therapy. I do understand that you lost your ship and that it sucks that it happened, but I'd only argue that it was for the good of society that you played your part.
Welcome to the human race. |
Anslo
Scope Works
19164
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:57 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:GUYS There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something... I'll say something to you in bed bby
;D
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:51:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
This is a classic trait of the high sec crowd: believing EVE is some balkanized 'thing' instead of what it is; a singular whole. The rules apply everywhere, the ONLY difference is the consequences in high sec.
CONCORD does not wipe out criminals, criminals fly everyday in high sec in full view of CONCORD. The system provides a consequence for certain actions, but that's all. Guns don't magically stop working just because one is in high sec.
Another confused argument. Try to grasp that all of the game mechanics are arbitrarily determined by CCP, and can, and often are, changed on a whim. To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:52:52 -
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Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote:My issue is with the attitude only. Of people such as Kaarous and Jenn etc, who are broken records of black and white.
Translation: "If all of the risk of loss were tissues and butt floss, oh what a world it would be" u w0t meight I thought it was obvious. u ******* wot meight
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4664916992/h4178D278/
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Valkin Mordirc
343
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:53:29 -
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Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:GUYS There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something... I'll say something to you in bed bby ;D
No no I heard you...It was something...else....like a troll. A very very ugly troll...
Also you ran me out of your Cabin last time. =(
#DeleteTheWeak
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UnknownEnemyCombatant
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:53:30 -
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as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point. as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8686
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:53:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
This is a classic trait of the high sec crowd: believing EVE is some balkanized 'thing' instead of what it is; a singular whole. The rules apply everywhere, the ONLY difference is the consequences in high sec.
CONCORD does not wipe out criminals, criminals fly everyday in high sec in full view of CONCORD. The system provides a consequence for certain actions, but that's all. Guns don't magically stop working just because one is in high sec.
Another confused argument. Try to grasp that all of the game mechanics are arbitrarily determined by CCP, and can, and often are, changed on a whim. To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable.
And yet, no one is "lauding" you lol. As I used to tell Dinsdale, so applies to you: The more you post the more people turn against what you want.
Therefore, post more, it makes for a better game in the long run
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Anslo
Scope Works
19164
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:53:35 -
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IL REK U GUVNA
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20990
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:54:21 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:To advocate for changes that I view as positive for the game is nothing short of laudable. You misspelt laughable.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Valkin Mordirc
343
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:54:33 -
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I swear to god I heard it again...
Edit: Who is Johan talking to?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Anslo
Scope Works
19164
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:55:08 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:GUYS There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something... I'll say something to you in bed bby ;D No no I heard you...It was something...else....like a troll. A very very ugly troll... Also you ran me out of your Cabin last time. =( Well shave next time I thought you were a bear or some **** m8r.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5584
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:55:46 -
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I keep hoping that people start to notice just one thing.
That thing is, if you can be an ass-hat and get away with it, without any consequences at all, people will do that.
Now there's a lot of "HURF BLURF Don't confuse RL with a game!!" I would tend to agree with that except for ...
well when people hide in voting booths and rob and murder people with the anonymity of a ballot, we are in effect seeing a bridge between the "you can be a douche if you can get away with it" and "RL".
For that I also hope Eve is some huge experiment to answer that question, and if ANY person is ready to go full douche when they can get away with it, then I hope that translates into new RL policies that deny any one person the ability to anonymously and without consequences use any state institutions as a vehicle to "get away with it". Nobody should be voting to send someone else's kids to a meat grinder or for the state to steal more money from their neighbor without any real consequences to themselves, their own fortunes, and their own safety.
Imagine if we had to use our real names in all MMOs....
think about it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
181
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:55:55 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:GUYS There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something... I'll say something to you in bed bby ;D No no I heard you...It was something...else....like a troll. A very very ugly troll... Also you ran me out of your Cabin last time. =(
It's hilarious that in your distorted world someone expecting some modicum of effective police protection in highsec, and also appropriate punishments for career criminals therein is a "troll." Might want to hit up the dictionary again. |
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