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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:03:22 -
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Broken Recode wrote:
Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all.
Elite PVP
#DeleteTheWeak
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21004
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:06:25 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all. What are you going to do, close corp and reform it like every other time you've been wardecced?
All mouth, no trousers, nothing new there.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
145
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:07:33 -
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Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours.
10/10. |
Valkin Mordirc
358
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:09:01 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10.
To be fair there waaas a fair bit of fuckery going on around the 6-8 pages.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
234
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:12:01 -
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Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
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Valkin Mordirc
358
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:14:16 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
-Kirito [SAO]
He was stuck in a world where pking would actually kill the player. XD
#DeleteTheWeak
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
21
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:16:51 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10.
Cries FOR newbies .... theres a difference.
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:17:41 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote:
That you compare a service where people either invest their time or money to some stereotypical chat room behavior is just a cherry on top, maybe that would illustrate why so few companies embark on the bold journey of ffa pvp with loosing stuff.
This is important, because their are other games. I play a few of them. And you are right, very few companies do what CCP does. This brings to my mind the question: Since you know why few other companies do this, why give your money and time to a company that does if you don't like the resulting community? If i hated community behavior or the games rule set so much, I personally wouldn't be here. Yet you have a forum full of griping folk who have major problems with, well, everything, but yet they are still here. That's what I don't understand.
Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
234
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:21:59 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
-Kirito [SAO] He was stuck in a world where pking would actually kill the player. XD
Not when he said that he wasn't....
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8688
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:25:27 -
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Barton Breau wrote: Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner.
WTF mate?
In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product.
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Valkin Mordirc
360
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:27:18 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
-Kirito [SAO] He was stuck in a world where pking would actually kill the player. XD Not when he said that he wasn't....
Ah well...
I JUST FINISHED SEASON 2 I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING. XD
#DeleteTheWeak
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Anslo
Scope Works
19304
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:27:40 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all. What are you going to do, close corp and reform it like every other time you've been wardecced? All mouth, no trousers, nothing new there. Same could be said if tear collectors who wanted to stop me. Didn't work to well for em. Just saying. Goes both ways.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10202
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:29:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote: Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product.
Ah, Vegan. The single most unreasonable religion.
You know I heard at work the other day that science has now linked a Vegetarian diet to a lower sperm count? So it literally does make you less of a man.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
98
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:34:19 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Black Pedro wrote:
All of this is by design. Eve is suppose to be a dark dystopia where there is no real punishment for anti-social conduct beyond what other players can provide.
Players are suppose to go down the wrong path. Players are not expected to choose good over evil. Players have the choice to do what they want - build or destroy. It is a competitive PvP game from its core.
None of this means the people playing this game are evil - it is after all just a game.
This really isn't true. Highsec is designed with an infallible police force that wipes out criminals, no matter how powerful they are. Your description may be accurate for nullsec, but certainly not for highsec.
No, this is quite true. CONCORD is one of the balance mechanisms that keeps gankers in check by imposing a significant cost on a ganker - in this case loss of a ship. This means a ganker cannot use use a ship more costly than their opponents, and in practice it has to be much cheaper if they hope to make a profit by looting drops.
As you have said in this thread the coding is arbitrary - if CCP wanted to they could increase CONCORD response times to 1 second everywhere in highsec or even lock out weapons fire totally. But they haven't because criminal highsec combat is part of the design specification of Eve. My description is completely accurate - CCP's design for highsec explicitly allows the possibility of criminal highsec player vs. player engagement, and the possibility for this scales with decreasing security status through the mechanism of CONCORD response time.
You may not like this, and can argue for CCP to change this so you and your PvE-focused friends can have complete safety in highsec, but that doesn't change the fact that you are playing a game that was explicitly designed to foster PvP engagements in all parts of New Eden, including high security space. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8692
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:34:59 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote: Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product. Ah, Vegan. The single most unreasonable religion. You know I heard at work the other day that science has now linked a Vegetarian diet to a lower sperm count? So it literally does make you less of a man.
I can't hear you of the sound of the Steak and Shrimp I'm eating. The meal came with a side salad, but i traded it for more shimp
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
145
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:35:17 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10. Cries FOR newbies .... theres a difference. This is not an example of "a newbie being treated like crap". He does not qualify as one.
In the previous sentence to the above quote he says:
Quote:I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x.
He fails to so much as establish a case of newbies being treated like crap in the first place. Let alone presenting any kind of data to support a statement so bold as to say the majority of.
He is not crying for anything, just crying. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21005
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:35:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ah, Vegan. The single most unreasonable religion.
You know I heard at work the other day that science has now linked a Vegetarian diet to a lower sperm count? So it literally does make you less of a man. If we weren't meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans, until they start preaching at me or criticising me for not believing as they do, that gets them a rapid Foxtrot Oscar, the same goes for the religious types.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
22
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:37:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote: Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product.
If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too?
If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage.
And i have a great marriage!
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8693
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:42:46 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too?
Would you PAY someone for the privilege of jumping int he river? That's what is happening here people are PAYING to play a cold harsh game while complaining that the game is cold and harsh.
Quote: If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage.
And i have a great marriage!
If you and your wife went to "MMA couple's counseling" where you fight it out to resolve your differences, would you then complain about all teh bruises you got? Wouldn't the correct answer be "don't go to freaking MMA marriage counselling"?
That is the point. Checkers isn't an MMO made by crazy people for ruthless people. EVE is. Nothing wrong with not liking that kind of game....unless you keep paying for it. |
Valkin Mordirc
360
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:43:25 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote: Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product. If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too? If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage. And i have a great marriage!
You should have a great marriage, and I hope it stays great.
However again, Real Life, and Video games, are different.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21012
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:44:38 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage. Knocking your wife's teeth out when you get overenthusiastic isn't a valid move in checkers, and is likely to end up in you having your balls removed from your throat after she forcibly relocates them there, with her foot.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6025
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:46:42 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too?
If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage.
And i have a great marriage!
What in the name of hell does this have to do with what Jen or anyone else in the thread has said.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1190
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:47:58 -
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Was wondering why posts were talking about real-life violence and then realized this was a carebear thread. Carebears always go there.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
325
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:50:16 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time.
Over the last month, the price of the Garmur has dropped drastically. This is awesome as I've been waiting to get one!
So last night I got a Garmur. Looked up fits and made one I liked. I took it out for a spin and the second I undocked from jita every single person wanted a duel. I was finally hailed to convo by a 9 year old character asking if I wanted to duel.
"Sure I said, but only to hull, as I just bought this and I haven't had a proper fight in it yet."
They agreed, more than once, and I was very very clear. But were busy, and kept putting off he fight, so I logged for the night.
Tonight I jump on, and a few minutes later I'm hailed again by this 9 yr old character. They ask if I would like to duel to hull, and I say sure!
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.
Now you may say to yourself, "well, duh! Next time don't trust anyone in EVE!"
but honestly that's what he said, so don't be an idiot.
Let's be clear. Losing an 80 mil ISK ship isn't going to bankrupt me or ruin my experience in EVE.
I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express. This person had nothing to gain, not even a killmail from killing my Garmur. Doing this kind of thing, is what makes people leave this game. And maybe that's what someone like him wants.
If it had been a fair fight and he had kept going past hull, I wouldn't have minded all that much, but there was no honor, and no sportsmanship at all. In the end, I really just ended up feeling sorry for this guy as a human being.
I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x.
Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap, (I have been treated like crap plenty more times than this in EVE) and for no reason, and leave, can you blame them? And can you see any future in a game like that? Any real value?
I know myself, that I rarely see any new characters anymore. Everyone I see is almost 10 years old. And this is why. If a 9 year old character has nothing better to do, that troll new characters, and under the sad guise of 'don't trust anyone in EVE' then I'm really not sure that I can see a long term investment in this game is something I want to consider.
Aeon Plex > o7 Kayden Drake > morning!? Aeon Plex > night for meeeee Kayden Drake > want to do a practice duel now? Aeon Plex > yes!! Aeon Plex > im comin outside Kayden Drake > your gonna use the garmur right? Aeon Plex > yeah :-) Aeon Plex > I haven't been in a fuight with it yet Kayden Drake > ok one minute Aeon Plex > lemme know :-) Aeon Plex > do you play at work or somethin'? Kayden Drake > yeh Aeon Plex > hee hee Aeon Plex > ok lemme know. I'm gonna have cig Aeon Plex > be back on in about 5? Kayden Drake > take your time Aeon Plex > and we shall battle!! ;-) Kayden Drake > hey back yet? Aeon Plex > I'm back Aeon Plex > lemme know when u are ready!! :-) Kayden Drake > can e plz practice duel at a planet, its too busy outside 4-4 Aeon Plex > sure Kayden Drake > ok, planet 1 Aeon Plex > I'll meet u there! Kayden Drake > i fit out this stupid cruiser randomly Kayden Drake > can i test my longpopng on you? just to see how it works Aeon Plex > sure! Kayden Drake > come cloer first, your not in point range Kayden Drake > closer* Aeon Plex > what is the point range on that? Kayden Drake > ROfl, your still moving away Kayden Drake > thats the thing i'm not sure Kayden Drake > thats what i want to test Aeon Plex > ok I'll stay still :-) so u can check Kayden Drake > thx Aeon Plex > LoL Aeon Plex > um.. (he blinks off)
Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE.
Why do you think he got no killmail by killing you? Do you think CCP withholds killmails for "unfair" kills?
Also I see new characters all the time, I've no idea why you're so unlucky in finding them. Well, in the future I suggest hitting escape and switching duels off to spare you more pain. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10206
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:52:12 -
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Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6025
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:53:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Was wondering why posts were talking about real-life violence and then realized this was a carebear thread. Carebears always go there. Shockingly quickly As well.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
22
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:53:12 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10. Cries FOR newbies .... theres a difference. This is not an example of "a newbie being treated like crap". He does not qualify as one. In the previous sentence to the above quote he says: Quote:I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x. He fails to so much as establish a case of newbies being treated like crap in the first place. Let alone presenting any kind of data to support a statement so bold as to say the majority of. He is not crying for anything, just crying.
Crying for a just cause imo ... seriously.
Im not even gonna try to unravel the wordtwisting... you ignore everything everyone else says and come in with a new twist at post #196.
All im saying is to stop hurting eachother for the sake of hurting.... HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND ?
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6025
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:54:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21012
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:54:54 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Some Rando wrote:Was wondering why posts were talking about real-life violence and then realized this was a carebear thread. Carebears always go there. Shockingly quickly As well. It's almost as if they can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.....
There's several words for that, they can generally be found in various medical tomes under the heading mental illness.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1190
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:55:12 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:All im saying is to stop hurting eachother for the sake of hurting.... HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND ?
No one's hurting anyone; this is a video game. How hard is THAT to understand?
CCP has no sense of humour.
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