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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:55:36 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know.
As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:58:09 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anslo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all. What are you going to do, close corp and reform it like every other time you've been wardecced? All mouth, no trousers, nothing new there. Same could be said if tear collectors who wanted to stop me. Didn't work to well for em. Just saying. Goes both ways. Agreed, people shouldn't make promises that they're not prepared to follow up on. Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ah, Vegan. The single most unreasonable religion.
You know I heard at work the other day that science has now linked a Vegetarian diet to a lower sperm count? So it literally does make you less of a man. If we weren't meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat? I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans, until they start preaching at me or criticising me for not believing as they do, that gets them a rapid Foxtrot Oscar, the same goes for the religious types. I don't make promises. Things go **** up when I do. I act first then let the actions speak.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21012
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:59:05 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. They're not the ones that threaten violence in the real world over what happens in a video game, that would be some of the carebears.
Anslo wrote:I don't make promises. Things to **** up when I do. I act first then let the actions speak. Heh, that's fair enough, actions generally do speak louder than words.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6031
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:06:32 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. First off Im wildly inept at pvp and have never claimed otherwise.
I have however stated i thoroughly enjoy it.
Secondly ,
what?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
183
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:11:01 -
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Black Pedro wrote:
No, this is quite true. CONCORD is one of the balance mechanisms that keeps gankers in check by imposing a significant cost on a ganker - in this case loss of a ship. This means a ganker cannot use use a ship more costly than their opponents, and in practice it has to be much cheaper if they hope to make a profit by looting drops.
As you have said in this thread the coding is arbitrary - if CCP wanted to they could increase CONCORD response times to 1 second everywhere in highsec or even lock out weapons fire totally. But they haven't because criminal highsec combat is part of the design specification of Eve. My description is completely accurate - CCP's design for highsec explicitly allows the possibility of criminal highsec player vs. player engagement, and the possibility for this scales with decreasing security status through the mechanism of CONCORD response time.
You may not like this, and can argue for CCP to change this so you and your PvE-focused friends can have complete safety in highsec, but that doesn't change the fact that you are playing a game that was explicitly designed to foster PvP engagements in all parts of New Eden, including high security space.
Fair enough. This would be a strong argument where I trying to rid highsec of all non-consensual PvP. I am not. I am not looking for complete safety in highsec. What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences. For instance, the people who pop pods in thrashers every 15 minutes. Or the professional empty ship exploders. These can be deterred without making highsec "entirely safe." And I, for one, would like to see CONCORD cracking down on career criminal suicide gankers. |
Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners Maggie's Magical Malliance
4
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:11:20 -
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Aeon Plex wrote: I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express.
This is part of what's wrong. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
146
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:12:28 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote: Crying for a just cause imo ... seriously.
Im not even gonna try to unravel the wordtwisting... you ignore everything everyone else says and come in with a new twist at post #196.
Not twisting anything. The OP literally says "I've met some amazing people in eve. You need to stop treating newbies like crap. This is not the only time I was treated like crap." OP is not a newbie.
Is it a just cause? Should we treat new players better? Perhaps. But I fail to see evidence that we treat them too harshly in the first place. There are certainly many things that can be done to enhance the NPE and we can help as players. But if you are trying to say we actively drive away players we should be trying to keep, you need to make a far stronger case than that troll bait op.
Brochan McLeod wrote: All im saying is to stop hurting eachother for the sake of hurting.... HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND ?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10206
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:13:13 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: And I, for one, would like to see CONCORD cracking down on career criminal suicide gankers.
Which amounts to seeing highsec entirely safe. Since those people are pretty much the only risk left in highsec. Since, you know, you can't delete low sec status alts.
If you weren't already aware of this, then you are displaying your usual ignorance.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8695
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:14:38 -
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Some Rando wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:All im saying is to stop hurting eachother for the sake of hurting.... HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND ? No one's hurting anyone; this is a video game. How hard is THAT to understand?
For some, the word "impossible" comes to mind.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19311
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:15:32 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Heh, that's fair enough, actions generally do speak louder than words. Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission.
Bruh.
I don't get it Bruh.
Why dey potato Bruh?
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2743
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:16:33 -
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Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times.
E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." Nice counter. Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't. #dunkt
At least I know you have some minuscule semblance of wit about you now.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21023
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:16:43 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Fair enough. This would be a strong argument where I trying to rid highsec of all non-consensual PvP. I am not. I am not looking for complete safety in highsec. The gist of most of your posting says otherwise.
Quote:What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences. For instance, the people who pop pods in thrashers every 15 minutes. Or the professional empty ship exploders. These can be deterred without making highsec "entirely safe." If you want to see consequences for aimless violence then it is up to you to provide those consequences, welcome to the sandbox.
Quote:And I, for one, would like to see CONCORD cracking down on career criminal suicide gankers. I, for one, would like to see you try and provide the consequences you so desperately want CCP to provide for you via CONCORD.
Stop being so damn lazy and actually do something INGAME if you feel so strongly about it, that's the whole damn principle of an open ended game such as Eve.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5398
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:17:27 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time. ...
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.
Now you may say to yourself, "well, duh! Next time don't trust anyone in EVE!" ...
You got PVP'd on a psychological level. It's no different from any other con or scam in the game.
Having these tactics be legal within the game rules is precisely what makes trust in EVE such a valuable commodity. Like it or don't, but it is central to the dark and dangerous universe of EVE.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:17:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences.
I'm bored, so I'll bite.
Why? Aimless violence is sort of the raison d'+Žtre for most games these days, and Eve in particular. Hell MWO's entire playmodel is built around miscellaneous violence in a never ending cycle of drop, explode, drop, explode. Eve's only difference is that violence in Eve "hurts", virtually speaking. You don't get to res, you don't get a do over, you don't get to keep your stuff (unless you have friends close by who can grab it for you).
My question for you, Veers, is why is this necessarily a bad thing? Why is the cycle of destruction that turns the motor of the Eve ecoinomy in need of a change?
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19318
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:18:01 -
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La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times.
E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." Nice counter. Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't. #dunkt At least I know you have some minuscule semblance of wit about you now.
Implying I care what a shitposter thinks.
Now stop trying to stab me with your nose.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1140
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:21:18 -
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IDK is anyone said this already...
"What is wrong with eve in the simplest terms?"
a: you op, you.
/thread
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2743
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:22:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things.
How about keeping the violence in game like we do? Or just post your meltdown thread and do your iz-esque threatening posts.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10210
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:23:35 -
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Anslo wrote: Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission.
No, I'm saying you're a big blowhard who can't back up all the crap you talk, as well a hypocrite. "carebear" does not mean PvE player. It's a state of mind, and you reek of it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2743
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:23:42 -
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Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times.
E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." Nice counter. Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't. #dunkt At least I know you have some minuscule semblance of wit about you now. Implying I care what a shitposter thinks. Now stop trying to stab me with your nose.
Lol if anything we are the only true good posters in all of eve-o.
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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:23:43 -
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DaReaper wrote:IDK is anyone said this already...
"What is wrong with eve in the simplest terms?"
a: you op, you.
/thread Look out we got a bad ass over here. Such edge.
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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:24:30 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission.
No, I'm saying you're a big blowhard who can't back up all the crap you talk, as well a hypocrite. "carebear" does not mean PvE player. It's a state of mind, and you reek of it. And if you bothered to do any research you-oh why am I feeding your irrelevant ass now?
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2743
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:25:42 -
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Anslo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Heh, that's fair enough, actions generally do speak louder than words. Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission. Bruh. I don't get it Bruh. Why dey potato Bruh?
The evidence shows that all you do is whine and try to be ~edgy~, I hear reddit is welcoming of you types.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8696
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:27:08 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences. I'm bored, so I'll bite. Why? Aimless violence is sort of the raison d'+Žtre for most games these days, and Eve in particular. Hell MWO's entire playmodel is built around miscellaneous violence in a never ending cycle of drop, explode, drop, explode. Eve's only difference is that violence in Eve "hurts", virtually speaking. You don't get to res, you don't get a do over, you don't get to keep your stuff (unless you have friends close by who can grab it for you). My question for you, Veers, is why is this necessarily a bad thing? Why is the cycle of destruction that turns the motor of the Eve ecoinomy in need of a change?
+1
This is a game (and one notorious for aimless violence). EVERYTHING ABOUT IT is 'aimless' unless you are CCP (who make money off the game). Hell, from a certain perspective, this game (and all games ) are counter-productive because you could be using this time to find a cure for cancer ( or ebola, or worse, CANBOLA) or doing something useful.
That's why these types that take this stuff to seriously are the 'crazy' ones, not the guys ganking folks for local chat tears. The gankers are keeping things in perspective (ie "EVE is something to gain enjoyment from and they are gaining enjoyment from it"), the whiners are trapped in a virtual world where they are being just as 'bullied' by others as much as they probably were in real life (this, despite the fact that in this virtual world you can legally shoot the bastards 'just because)..
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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:27:18 -
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La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Heh, that's fair enough, actions generally do speak louder than words. Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission. Bruh. I don't get it Bruh. Why dey potato Bruh? The evidence shows that all you do is whine and try to be ~edgy~, I hear reddit is welcoming of you types.
YOU SEE JONAH?! YOU SEE??
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6035
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:27:23 -
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La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. How about keeping the violence in game like we do? Or just post your meltdown thread and do your iz-esque threatening posts. like this?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1141
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:28:54 -
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Anslo wrote:DaReaper wrote:IDK is anyone said this already...
"What is wrong with eve in the simplest terms?"
a: you op, you.
/thread Look out we got a bad ass over here. Such edge.
Oh far from it, i'm as carebear as they come. Died more times then I can count, a lot of it due to my own stupidity. Like losing a carrier when I had it for a week to WT's cause a npc had me scrambled and I did not have small drones to kill it. Or flying my month old nyx into a game camp. Or having my alliance get scammed out of 25b cause I was not thinking and listening tot eh wrong people... or a million other reasons.
Fact remains, eve is what it is because of the players. One of the first rules of eve, hell its even on the damn 'about game' area, is you shouldn't trust anyone. That's it. The fault lies with the op. The op is what is wrong with eve. People who think they can trust another player in a game that basicly says 'do not trust anyone' then immediately come whine on the forms cause they got scammed, killed, whatever, asking whats wrogn with eve. The answer is always... you. Change your mentality and you will see eve is perfect as she is, flaws and all.
In my 11 years here, no other game has come close to being anything like eve. She may want to knee you in the balls everyday, but damn she is a sexy game.
Now to actually be bad ass...
/thread I win
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
24
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:28:59 -
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Dang... my capslock got stuck... did ya see that?
Anyway... have a nice evening y'all.
... cretins :P
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1141
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:31:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. How about keeping the violence in game like we do? Or just post your meltdown thread and do your iz-esque threatening posts. like this?
OT: Ralph, first time someone showed up and orange to me on the forums lol.
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
24
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:31:12 -
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DaReaper wrote:Anslo wrote:DaReaper wrote:IDK is anyone said this already...
"What is wrong with eve in the simplest terms?"
a: you op, you.
/thread Look out we got a bad ass over here. Such edge. Oh far from it, i'm as carebear as they come. Died more times then I can count, a lot of it due to my own stupidity. Like losing a carrier when I had it for a week to WT's cause a npc had me scrambled and I did not have small drones to kill it. Or flying my month old nyx into a game camp. Or having my alliance get scammed out of 25b cause I was not thinking and listening tot eh wrong people... or a million other reasons. Fact remains, eve is what it is because of the players. One of the first rules of eve, hell its even on the damn 'about game' area, is you shouldn't trust anyone. That's it. The fault lies with the op. The op is what is wrong with eve. People who think they can trust another player in a game that basicly says 'do not trust anyone' then immediately come whine on the forms cause they got scammed, killed, whatever, asking whats wrogn with eve. The answer is always... you. Change your mentality and you will see eve is perfect as she is, flaws and all. In my 11 years here, no other game has come close to being anything like eve. She may want to knee you in the balls everyday, but damn she is a sexy game. Now to actually be bad ass... /thread I win
Coward!
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21027
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:31:48 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. How about keeping the violence in game like we do? Or just post your meltdown thread and do your iz-esque threatening posts. like this? Dial 0800 TEARS for the internet detective
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