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Savio
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Posted - 2006.08.19 22:46:00 -
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Hi
I think i recall have read that the server for eve is running WIndows 64bit, and its coded in something like python... How come they are using WIndows ? wouldent a LInux or a Unix enviroment prove more stable? and performing better? take a Linux Distro like Gentoo, where you can optimiseve everything for the HW and get a mouch higher performance in anything else, wouldent this be something to consider instead of running it on buggy windows?
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Scorpyn
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.08.19 23:42:00 -
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It's probably just a matter of what the devs are used to.
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LilNodo
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Posted - 2006.08.20 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: LilNodo on 20/08/2006 15:26:51 As much as Linux has it's prowess in server systems, and as much as I prefer it for my work (I'm a web programmer / admin for some large systems): Linux offers a lot of flexibility for general use applications (web server, mail server, etc, etc), but the Windows Server OS's are quite rock and highly performant, especially for very specific multithreaded applications, such as what I imagine the Eve server to be. As for hardware optimization, the Windows Server platform is highly optimized for certain vendor specifications (like the pre-built cluster systems IBM would sell for example), and if you have one of those hardware systems, you're golden.
As much as I love Linux myself, it's not the best tool for every job. Remember servers don't run on your standard Windows XP home version of the Operating System, but a much smaller, more specific and quality-controlled version of the Windows OS suite.
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Scetrov
Gallente OcUK
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Posted - 2006.08.20 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Scetrov on 20/08/2006 16:32:17 To be honest I have never found Windows Server products to be that buggy, they are there to do a job; File Server, Web Server, DNS Server, Database Server and so on. They do it well, they are easy to get up and running, and there are pleanty of very good applications to support them Veritas Backup Exec, Sophos Anti-Virus, McAfee ePO and so on.
I have been a HP-UX/Linux Engineer and a W2K/W2K3 Server Administrator in the past 5 years and I can say, that the Windows work has been easier work. Whilst not a great indicator the number of "Critical" vulnerabilities that need patching out for Linux in a year was far more than W2K3 has needed in a year. Every one hops up and down when a vuln is exposed for a Microsoft product because you have to pay for the software in the first place, whenever a vuln is exposed for Linux people say well it didn't cost anything so patch it and your quids in -- you still have to patch it with associated down time either way.
I digress... EVE Servers are based round MSSQL server that dosn't run on Linux - migration to Linux would be a pain. --
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Eolais
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.21 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eolais on 21/08/2006 22:21:24 Aside from the comments already made here, the fact is that Linux is a hype. It might be great for running small-scale servers. Everybody who has dealt with large-scale *nix networks over the past few years know that BSD is far more popular than SysV.
Also, Gentoo itself as a Linux distro is a pain in the ass to maintain. If you wanted to turn 2-hour downtimes into 2-day downtimes, then maybe Gentoo would suffice.
There's no reason why they should switch, especially given the infrastructure that CCP already has set up. You can't just tear down something that large and well-established and rebuild it from the ground up without it cutting bitterly into your finances.
If CCP should concentrate on improving anything, it should be:
1. Bugs
2. A low-resource method that anticipates population spikes in systems to bolster those nodes to reduce potential lag.
3. Bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs
4. Releasing Sovereignty
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.22 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Scetrov
I have been a HP-UX/Linux Engineer and a W2K/W2K3 Server Administrator in the past 5 years and I can say, that the Windows work has been easier work. Whilst not a great indicator the number of "Critical" vulnerabilities that need patching out for Linux in a year was far more than W2K3 has needed in a year. Every one hops up and down when a vuln is exposed for a Microsoft product because you have to pay for the software in the first place, whenever a vuln is exposed for Linux people say well it didn't cost anything so patch it and your quids in -- you still have to patch it with associated down time either way.
You don't need downtime to patch...
apt-get update apt-get upgrade
there, 5 seconds, your server is patched.
P.S. A "critical" vulnerability for Linux usually means that someone with user-level access or the like can crash the system. That vulnerability for Windows wouldn't even be notable because they've existed for a decade and still haven't been fixed: they're uncountable. A "critical" Windows vulnerability means that someone with no authorized access to the system can hack in and compromise data. This kind of vulnerability is pretty much unheard of on Linux.
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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bunmastahflex
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.09.04 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: bunmastahflex on 04/09/2006 06:53:45
Originally by: Eolais Edited by: Eolais on 21/08/2006 22:21:24 Also, Gentoo itself as a Linux distro is a pain in the ass to maintain. If you wanted to turn 2-hour downtimes into 2-day downtimes, then maybe Gentoo would suffice.
i'm sorry, but as a gentoo system administrator, i call fud. how hard is it to put "emerge sync" into cron, and run "emerge -avuDN world" once a month/week/as security dictates.
edit: gentoo does not require downtime either. update a daemon? "/etc/init.d/app restart"
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Karador
Legionari
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:56:00 -
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Again?... Find me an OpenSource (as in free) Linux cluster solution which is "stable" enough to be used in a production environement. Unless you go with a PAYED one (i.e. IBM or HP.) you're out of luck. It's NOT just a matter of firing up a Gentoo stage 1 install cd. And, an enterprise-grade MYSQL cluster is NOT free, no matter how you would like it to be. CCP would need a Commercial License, otherwise they would be restricted to the GPL terms, which is something i don't expect them to do for quite some time. And that, my friends, does not come for free, as in around $3000.
p.s.: besides, I highly doubt that you customized your entire linux kernel just to *suit* your hardware. If you did, you wouldn't be posting silly comments overhere. You know you're better than that...
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:38:00 -
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I'm not gonna cry one way or nuther about what ccp uses....its their game after all. That said:
I'm an IBM analyst. I support e-business fortune 200 worldwide customers. Wanna know which OS always always ALWAYS causes problems? One guess, and that guess ain't linux/aix/sun/bsd/etc.
When we have problems (other than hardware), I don't even really have to check anymore. The Windows servers create income for us, because of the problems they have. Memory issues, security problems, runaway processes, cpu ****iness, you name it, its almost ALWAYS a Win server at the bottom of the issues.
As for the bits and pieces about security, DS got it in one.
I wouldn't cry a tear if CCP decided to move to an open source solution. As long as I can play with a minimum of fuss, however, like I said....its their choice/headache. ----- ------------
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bunmastahflex
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karador It's NOT just a matter of firing up a Gentoo stage 1 install cd.
if you knew anything about gentoo, you'd know that stage-1 installs are now deprecated since 2006.0.
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Karador
Legionari
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Posted - 2006.09.04 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: bunmastahflex
Originally by: Karador It's NOT just a matter of firing up a Gentoo stage 1 install cd.
if you knew anything about gentoo, you'd know that stage-1 installs are now deprecated since 2006.0.
Do you know the meaning of the word "sarcasm"? Of course stage 1 cd is deprecated. I was just using it as an example of a NOT so easy distro, until 2006.0 that is. The point is, just because you use a linux distro, that you can claim to know best than everyone else.
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bunmastahflex
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karador The point is, just because you use a linux distro, that you can claim to know best than everyone else.
umm no. if that was the case, i would have mentioned mysql. since i don't know beans about sql, i didn't.
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