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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
137
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Posted - 2014.10.24 13:02:42 -
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I shud be in these babies soon (as i just recently posted in another thread - but decided to create a new thred instead of derailing the other)
So looking particularly at amarr, gallente and mini recons
how do u fit urs pls?
btw what the hell is the caldari recon? (no i cba to type it into google right now)
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To mare
Advanced Technology
378
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Posted - 2014.10.24 13:31:20 -
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i will fit one when they rebalance them, combat recon are kinda meh, for gall minma and caldari you better off flying the cloaky version, since they have the same ewar bonuses, the exception is the curse/pilgrim since the pilgrim miss the good bonus (neut range) for the cloak. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
137
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Posted - 2014.10.24 13:33:48 -
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balance pass coming soon? |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
772
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:02:22 -
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To mare wrote:i will fit one when they rebalance them, combat recon are kinda meh, for gall minma and caldari you better off flying the cloaky version, since they have the same ewar bonuses, the exception is the curse/pilgrim since the pilgrim miss the good bonus (neut range) for the cloak.
Got to say your wrong there....
Combats are generally tanky'er, have more dps, and or better fitting than their force recon counterparts. This is traded for the cov-ops cloak and a bonus to cynos and the ability to fit a covert cyno.
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:52:22 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/69422-Huginn-The-Hug-Boat-FW.html
Huginn with arty and rlml is ok. Thats the fit i used. Though cap sucks on huginn.. good for murdering frigs though.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
138
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:55:43 -
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cheers chromestriker |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
773
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:31:01 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:cheers chromestriker
rook so thats it huh.
do these see much use?
i dont think ive ever seen one fielded
Trick with the rook (and the falcon) is that to do their job effectivly (jam stuff), you fill its mid slots with ECM mods and maybe a MWD. This leaves very little room for any tank. At most peeps may put a plate and or a DCU on, but thats about it.
Because of this, in almost all circumstance the falcon is used as at the least you can cloak.
My rook fit is... well a bit of a laugh. Due to theyre ECM and normally small tanks, rooks are usually called primary... so i brick tanked it.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
138
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:34:05 -
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maybe ccp shud look at that then (in the aforementioned balance pass?).
on the other hand i dont really want to see more viable jamming ships. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
138
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Posted - 2014.10.24 16:04:35 -
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i messed around with the osmium browser based fitting tool and came up with this for solo/small gang
[Curse, Unnamed loadout] Damage Control II Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized EM Membrane II Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
shitfit?
edit- ok the dps on the guns is 60 lol. is that enough to kill sentries? |
Gizznitt Malikite
agony unleashed Agony Empire
4173
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Posted - 2014.10.24 17:33:57 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:balance pass coming soon?
EvE Vegas Dev's gave the impression it would be within 3 months.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
384
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Posted - 2014.10.25 00:35:51 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:balance pass coming soon? EvE Vegas Dev's gave the impression it would be within 3 months.
Cool!
Did they also hint when they look at blackops?
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Gizznitt Malikite
agony unleashed Agony Empire
4174
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Posted - 2014.10.25 02:50:02 -
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elitatwo wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:balance pass coming soon? EvE Vegas Dev's gave the impression it would be within 3 months. Cool! Did they also hint when they look at blackops?
Not really new info on the BOs, but it is on the radar to be rebalanced too... And as for Recon Changes, it sounded like they'd become more combat effective, but I don't know the exact changes.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
323
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Posted - 2014.10.25 09:02:26 -
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Recon ship rebalancing was flagged at FanFest, "Some of them are pretty good and some of them are the Pilgrim." With BlOps being bound up with the LDT changes it's probably wise to see how their usage changes due to that before attempting a direct balance pass to avoid rebalancing them for a use case which is no longer valid.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
139
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Posted - 2014.10.27 11:20:27 -
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ok rejigging chromestrikers curse fit for fleet ive come up with one for small gang work:
[Curse, Unnamed loadout] Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
requires 3% pg hardwire
24k EHP
Resists: 55-51-77-88
351 drone dps with 5 hammerheads
neuts to 38k
does it try to do too much at the cost of tank?
pls critique... |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
775
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Posted - 2014.10.27 12:16:33 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:ok rejigging chromestrikers curse fit for fleet ive come up with one for small gang work:
[Curse, Unnamed loadout] Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
requires 3% pg hardwire
24k EHP
Resists: 55-51-77-88
351 drone dps with 5 hammerheads
neuts to 38k
does it try to do too much at the cost of tank?
pls critique...
Meta the cap booster for less implantness and put a T2 em rig on... theyre pretty cheep...
All kind of depends on the fleet
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
140
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Posted - 2014.10.27 12:19:43 -
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ty for the input.
cant fit t2 shield rigs yet and they wont be on my list for some time.
i notice u didnt say the fit is **** |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
775
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Posted - 2014.10.27 12:26:31 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:ty for the input. cant fit t2 shield rigs yet and they wont be on my list for some time. i notice u didnt say the fit is ****
Get a corp mate to put it on for you
Its not that bad lol, i would prob drop the point (thats someone elses job), allows you to keep further from the fight and hopefully not take as much dmg... also allow another disruptor or more tank.
I look at dmg on recons as secondary, either for getting rid of frigs/drones or just a bit of help on a gank. Dont worry too much about it, youll never get any rewards. But if your dead... well your not helping anyone
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
555
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:07:14 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:ty for the input. cant fit t2 shield rigs yet and they wont be on my list for some time. i notice u didnt say the fit is ****
Let me tell you about our lord and saviour, the Heavy Neut Curse.
[Curse, topkek] True Sansha Reactor Control Unit True Sansha Reactor Control Unit True Sansha Reactor Control Unit Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Its thin as **** but it will basically cap alpha most cruisers, HACs and below and will 2 cycle BCs cap, all at a pleasant 88k.
You can also pick the two turret ships you least like the look of and remove them. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:31:03 -
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i like the idea but too easy to kill i think |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
555
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:56:59 -
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Just don't get tackled, problem solved. |
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
149
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:00:45 -
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not getting tackled is not going to help against say a couple of missile bs or too many long range guns to disrupt for example.
with (edit) virtually no tank and being a recon ur just gonna get primaried and alphad from range.
not saying that it couldnt possibly work but its situational.
is there no way to get a dc on there?
if i have a spare curse at some point i might try it tho. mega heavy neuting at 80km is ridiuclous. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
776
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:53:33 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:not getting tackled is not going to help against say a couple of missile bs or too many long range guns to disrupt for example.
with (edit) virtually no tank and being a recon ur just gonna get primaried and alphad from range.
not saying that it couldnt possibly work but its situational.
is there no way to get a dc on there?
if i have a spare curse at some point i might try it tho. mega heavy neuting at 80km is ridiuclous.
The Heavy neut curse is pretty neiche tbh, most targets will be able to keep at least their tank going inbetween the longer cycle times negating one of the curses major effects. Also at 80k the only thing you'll be able to do is run the one neut... the TD's will be in deep falloff so not worth much and even your drones will be out of range. Also with 200mil worth of mods you could buy a second curse...
Stick with medium neuts. Youll be able to lock down more ships and keep them neuted. You can apply your drones to tackle and actually recieve reps if you need it.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
192
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:11:07 -
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sound advice i think.
ill have recons level 4 when i get home from work today. Time for some poor ******* to feel the power! |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio
254
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:19:34 -
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This is a fit that's worked pretty well for me.
[Lachesis, Lawhatsis] Damage Control II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Medium YF-12a Smartbomb Medium YF-12a Smartbomb
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x3 Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x600 Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x600 Nanite Repair Paste x150
Here is a link that shows stats for my character. Obviously, capacitor lasts longer without the MWD or smartbombs running; smartbombs, as you might imagine, are for clearing drones off.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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Danjun Zahid
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:35:33 -
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tbh if your going to use something like a curse, id rather use a legion. 100k ehp+ tank and 6 med neuts does the juob and can take massive hits. only problem is you dont get the super duper range bonus but chuck a mwd ad just sit on top of them. always an option |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
192
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Posted - 2014.10.29 21:28:22 -
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that just seems wrong to me .
i suppose now i know why ive seen people posting that t3's should not fulfil roles better than thier t2 counterparts
the legion doesnt get a bonus to drain amount tho does it? and no bonus to disruption either.
unless the subsystems give it that? admittedly i have limited knowledge about such things |
Squatdog
State Protectorate Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:56:10 -
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The problem with combat recons is that the targets you want to fight won't fight you.
Meanwhile, SURPRISE RAPIER takes kiters by surprise. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
777
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:25:35 -
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Squatdog wrote:The problem with combat recons is that the targets you want to fight won't fight you.
Meanwhile, SURPRISE RAPIER takes kiters by surprise.
Why are you giving them the choice?
Danjun Zahid wrote:tbh if your going to use something like a curse, id rather use a legion. 100k ehp+ tank and 6 med neuts does the juob and can take massive hits. only problem is you dont get the super duper range bonus but chuck a mwd ad just sit on top of them. always an option
Curses have double the neut amount, 4 times the range, can be used in a shield fleet, are faster, and dont cost as much...
Neut legions have their place, its just not the same as the curse...
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Ong
Immortalis Inc.
108
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:26:38 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:that just seems wrong to me .
the legion doesnt get a bonus to drain amount tho does it? and no bonus to disruption either.
unless the subsystems give it that? admittedly i have limited knowledge about such things
Yeah it does, 10% neut amount per lvl, this is the reason why you would never fly a pilgrim (in its current state) over a legion:
[Legion, Neut legion] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Ship Scanner II Warp Disruptor II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Egress Port Maximizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer II
Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
199
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Posted - 2014.10.31 21:19:00 -
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taking squat dogs comment on board i did a quick search and found a rapier fit.
how does this look for solo work?
[Rapier, solo]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
needs a 2% pg hardwire (with a 3% one u can fit a t2 LSE)
shamelessly stolen from bc no less.
i guess the tactic is to pick ur targets, pop out of cloak, point, dual web, blap, cloak, warp |
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