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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:20:17 -
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RudinV wrote: 5-6 dreads+3-4 carriers in magnetar? or even without bonuses? what fleet comp u would suggest for that?
Tech 3's.
Magnetar probably plays in your favor in this case (less tracking for dreads) as long as you can outnumber their subcaps, or mitigate them with jams.
Haven't you personally done this? I'm certain that your corp has.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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mechform
Legion of Armor
125
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:34:48 -
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Some people like making sand castles, some like kicking them down.
There are plenty of other games that are all about building sand castles, maybe EVE is not a game for those who do not like dealing with both extremes of the player spectrum.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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ChaeDoc II
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
106
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:08:24 -
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mechform wrote:Some people like making sand castles, some like kicking them down.
There are plenty of other games that are all about building sand castles, maybe EVE is not a game for those who do not like dealing with both extremes of the player spectrum.
To be clear, if your kid is building sand castles on the beach and i come along and kick it down your response is going to be to advise your kid to not build sand castles, is that right? |
mechform
125
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:13:14 -
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ChaeDoc II wrote:mechform wrote:Some people like making sand castles, some like kicking them down.
There are plenty of other games that are all about building sand castles, maybe EVE is not a game for those who do not like dealing with both extremes of the player spectrum. To be clear, if your kid is building sand castles on the beach and i come along and kick it down your response is going to be to advise your kid to not build sand castles, is that right?
I dont' have kids so Im not too worried about a hypothetical scenario which will never really happen.
This is Eve Online a game, not a day at the beach.
If you cannot make the distinction, there is not much the Eve forums can do for you.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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ChaeDoc II
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
106
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:31:06 -
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mechform wrote:ChaeDoc II wrote:mechform wrote:Some people like making sand castles, some like kicking them down.
There are plenty of other games that are all about building sand castles, maybe EVE is not a game for those who do not like dealing with both extremes of the player spectrum. To be clear, if your kid is building sand castles on the beach and i come along and kick it down your response is going to be to advise your kid to not build sand castles, is that right? I dont' have kids so Im not too worried about a hypothetical scenario which will never really happen. This is Eve Online a game, not a day at the beach. If you cannot make the distinction, there is not much the Eve forums can do for you.
You made the analogy, not me.
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
437
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:40:42 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:RudinV wrote: 5-6 dreads+3-4 carriers in magnetar? or even without bonuses? what fleet comp u would suggest for that?
Tech 3's. Magnetar probably plays in your favor in this case (less tracking for dreads) as long as you can outnumber their subcaps, or mitigate them with jams. Haven't you personally done this? I'm certain that your corp has. plz tell me more about, i love to listen EFT warriors |
mechform
125
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:01:26 -
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ChaeDoc II wrote:mechform wrote:ChaeDoc II wrote:Horrible analogy of how said analogy relates from a game to real world Retort troll
Which is pretty good analogy about eve online. I will break it down so you can understand a little better.
"Some people like making sand castles" This refers to the players that really like the industry side of the game, the mining, and the farming. Since Eve is a sandbox game, they can do this where ever they want. There are no mechanics in game which stop them from doing industry and farming inside of the programmed limitation of said game. Keep in mind, that CCP has stated plenty of times, with bigger risk come bigger rewards.
You maybe wondering what these risks of industry/farming in WH space could possibly be, this comes in the second part of the analogy.
"Some people like kicking them down" This refers to the players that like PVP, sieges, conflict. This is one of the risks of the big rewards a player gets from WH living. We should thank Blood Union for bringing this meta into actual existence rather than just a myth, and thank the Blued Union for continuing it.
But some people want to bring the safe aspect of the game, into the more dangerous 'risky' parts and expect the same awsome rewards. Which the nature of CCP's advertised game driver will not allow. But luckily they have made 'zones' in game which are relatively conflict free.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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Ridvanson
9
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:28:51 -
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We've been evicted two times, now going to (try and) evict some people that moved into a hole before we could put up towers of our own. Should we feel bad now?
Said group has twice as many pilots as we do, yet in the three weeks that we've been watching they haven't done anything but log in and off again, and planting small towers on every single moon of the system oO. They don't even bear ...
Frankly, having been on the receiving end of evictions, I find nothing wrong with them. Finding empty holes is easy enough, so if you don't like the logistics part of it, maybe you don't belong (anymore) ... |
mechform
131
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:53:29 -
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I too have a NPC alt that is going to do something.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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Karma Arkaral
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:43:14 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote:
Carebears are typically the victims of getting evicted and the standards to which those individuals are held vary widely, corp by corp. We've done our fair share of peter ops and our halls are decorated with the corpses of flash-crashing bears that dared name their towers "Elite PvP". They lose it all and because they are motivated purely by milking the teats of Sleepers, they don't come back.
Maybe it's not so much that they love sucking the teet of sleepers so much as it's a losing battle to put up a fight agaist overwhelming corps/alliances/coalitions. At the end of the day if your chances of winning is 0% you might as well cut your loses, not fight back, and just gather whatever is left and move somewhere else where you actually stand a chance. |
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mechform
133
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:23:57 -
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Are you really going to complain about people complaining?
I see the 'complaints' as just a reminder to be more active outside of farming said in different ways.
If giving small entities in WH space a hard time with bigger numbers and evictions is how a majority of the WH players want to play the game then maybe WH is not the right gameplay for you, but that is how most of the players want to play right now.
You can look at any conflict in Eve like this 40 players want to fight 4 do not. The 40 players are going to get what they want, because that is the way 40 people want to play the game. If you can get 40 players that just want to farm, vs 4 players that want to fight,. The 40 players are going to get what they want because reasons.
Let me know if you can follow this logic.....living in wh space means you have some isk to burn in PVP. Whether its a troll fleet of ventures, or a 40 t3's vs 4 drakes. A bigger fleet rolling for some pew, just want a gf or a sacrifice to Bob. There is hardly an eviction of a smaller entity that pvp's on a regular basis because they are active and contributing to content for the WH community. If you never actively engage in pvp or are a null sec entity in WH the popular thing to have an invasion party for what ever reason the group feels like typing in local at the time.
True there are some immature hilariously awsome grudges (this is why i love this game) and people get on a high horse and justify their invasion as some noble cause for the greater good etc. But its pretty much an invasion based on groups just not liking each other. And if your a smaller corp in this situation you probably should not poke the hive by saying something bigger than the ships and number you can field in local.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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Karma Arkaral
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:33:24 -
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I wasn't really "complaining about the complainers" since I couldn't give a rat's ass what they do. I was trying to point out the reasons why I think this situation happens (the blobbers/one-uppers complaining about the lack of things to shoot at in WHs other than sleepers). Aside from the tinge of psychopathy that I get from your posts, I don't really see what your point is. |
mechform
133
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:46:02 -
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You use that word, but i don't think it means what you think it means.
For not complaining you sure had some things to say. But my bad. My lack of remorse for things that happen in a game is not as strong as your Bushido.
To sum up my point because reading is too much of a task for some people on a forum: Be active outside of farming, take a fight you don't think you can win (you will be surprised at what a small group can do, but you won't know that unless you try) and you can be small group and not invaded in WH space.
If you don't like bigger groups complaining in the forums about the lack of content, maybe the forums are not for you.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
728
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:51:14 -
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RudinV wrote:MooMooDachshundCow wrote:RudinV wrote: 5-6 dreads+3-4 carriers in magnetar? or even without bonuses? what fleet comp u would suggest for that?
Tech 3's. Magnetar probably plays in your favor in this case (less tracking for dreads) as long as you can outnumber their subcaps, or mitigate them with jams. Haven't you personally done this? I'm certain that your corp has. plz tell me more about, i love to listen EFT warriors
You really need a LOT of people to power through a dread in one cycle.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Nero Pantera
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
71
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:21:52 -
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mechform wrote:You use that word, but i don't think it means what you think it means.
For not complaining you sure had some things to say. But my bad. My lack of remorse for things that happen in a game is not as strong as your Bushido.
To sum up my point because reading is too much of a task for some people on a forum: Be active outside of farming, take a fight you don't think you can win (you will be surprised at what a small group can do, but you won't know that unless you try) and you can be small group and not invaded in WH space.
If you don't like bigger groups complaining in the forums about the lack of content, maybe the forums are not for you.
HAHAHAHAHAAH...
Yeah the problem is us 30/40man active pvp corporations who like to kick it large and drop 2 dreads a carrier plus a subcap fleet to dread blap another fleet who may or may not of outnumbered us cannot realistically do that if one of these new superbumloverdonut coalitions roll into our hole.
We in whalegirth use to take fights against 30man SSC/noho/adhoc/ insert name, fleets back in the day and we use to maybe have about 13/15 active pilots mostly multiboxing but we use to take those fights because they were fun and challenging.
On the otherside of that you talk about you should take a fight you think you might not win you might be surprised.. right yeah against a 99man invading t3/capital fleet yeah sure.
I am sorry but as ive stated in this thread multiple times before if we wanted F1-F7 in wh space with no skill but PREZZ BOOTAAAAns receive killmails then we would be in nullsec sperge fleets under tidi.
I know for a fact 90% of the guys who came here for pvp didnt come for bum fun evictions.
PvP at the end of the day is ******* great and il whelp dreads and t3s anyday but think again if good fights mean a 100man fleet vs a corp who can field maybe 30 people max.
If thats what wormholes are going to become then **** that **** im out. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
753
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:34:51 -
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Nero Pantera wrote:I am sorry but as ive stated in this thread multiple times before if we wanted F1-F7 in wh space with no skill but PREZZ BOOTAAAAns receive killmails then we would be in nullsec sperge fleets under tidi.
So you have your point and scram not on F1-7? Orbiting a WH is the same thing as anchoring on an FC. I'm not seeing where the increased skill is coming from...
Nero Pantera wrote:If thats what wormholes are going to become then **** that **** im out.
please do
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
107
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:35:31 -
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Nero Pantera wrote:One day [they are] going to hit a small/medum corp that always pvp's with everyone win or lose who can really only field 20 or 30 guys and they will be able to do sweet **** all but die in a fire.
LOL @ "One day they are going to hit a small/medium corp that always pvp's"... Already happened to the OTRSC Fighting Otters of the Illusion of Solitude alliance several months ago.
Quantum Explosions! Part 1Quantum Explosions! Part 2Repercussions (the eviction) (Warning: Very long) In retrospect, we Otters poked a bear in the nose to see what would happen. With a predictable result. |
Nero Pantera
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
71
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:47:58 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Nero Pantera wrote:I am sorry but as ive stated in this thread multiple times before if we wanted F1-F7 in wh space with no skill but PREZZ BOOTAAAAns receive killmails then we would be in nullsec sperge fleets under tidi. So you have your point and scram not on F1-7? Orbiting a WH is the same thing as anchoring on an FC. I'm not seeing where the increased skill is coming from... Nero Pantera wrote:If thats what wormholes are going to become then **** that **** im out. please do
Listen Mr Bipolar make your mind up, one minute your agreeing with the idea that its generally bad for content as a whole then on the other your giving all this banter.
Pick something and stick to it.
What ebola ridden group of house mice anchors on a wormhole? Generally you want to stick within range of a specific point but setting anchor to a wormhole :D? In some really niche situations will it be okay to do so but on the whole no. |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
144
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Posted - 2014.10.28 20:11:28 -
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Can't we all just get along???
Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Nartol Trild
Security Consultants And Services
0
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Posted - 2014.10.28 21:20:02 -
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I fully support evictions, we must remove the top tier of wormhole groups who do not support the idea of the blue donut for the purpose of forming a farmers renter empire for RMT. /sarcasm. |
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
152
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Posted - 2014.10.28 22:18:27 -
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All this commotion about evictions Again. I don't like em. They are boring mostly. I was on both sides of them and they suck. If you are being evicted even if you fight it sucks, if you try to evict and fail it sucks. If you are being evicted and succesfully beat them of then you can call it fun, but for most people it is a relief. If you are evicting and won the battle and only thing is left to do is burn the towers with nothing in it because they self destructed then it is no fun. What is fun is the big fights it gives the rest is just grinding.
Also stop scaring away the new members or the smaller corps. Eviction only happens when you have a grudge or a top dog or realy, realy pissed some one off. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
807
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:56:47 -
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RudinV wrote:23/7 carebearing as content is not good for w-space.
taking your words what do you think of these.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/W-Space_Citizen/corporations
these all seem to carebear 23/7 should they be evicted?
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
476
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Posted - 2014.10.29 05:05:15 -
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TXG SYNC wrote:Nero Pantera wrote:One day [they are] going to hit a small/medum corp that always pvp's with everyone win or lose who can really only field 20 or 30 guys and they will be able to do sweet **** all but die in a fire. LOL @ "One day they are going to hit a small/medium corp that always pvp's"... Already happened to the OTRSC Fighting Otters of the Illusion of Solitude alliance several months ago. Quantum Explosions! Part 1Quantum Explosions! Part 2Repercussions (the eviction) (Warning: Very long) In retrospect, we Otters poked a bear in the nose to see what would happen. With a predictable result.
This thread needs more otter memes. |
Winthorp
2846
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:03:58 -
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It's ok if they are renting off QEX/BU right? |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
18
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Posted - 2014.10.29 09:08:32 -
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Viscis Breeze wrote:Evictions happen, its good content if people won't step up and fight.
Its also boring as hell.
I think this is the major crux of this arguement here.
If you are evicting carebears or shitlords who wont fight, wont hear a peep out of me.
I dont agree with evicting active, pvping, wormhole groups. I think, as someone else pointed out, is a very short sighted decision that trades a burst of content immediately rather then long term content. |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
18
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Posted - 2014.10.29 09:10:10 -
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Nero Pantera wrote:mechform wrote:You use that word, but i don't think it means what you think it means.
For not complaining you sure had some things to say. But my bad. My lack of remorse for things that happen in a game is not as strong as your Bushido.
To sum up my point because reading is too much of a task for some people on a forum: Be active outside of farming, take a fight you don't think you can win (you will be surprised at what a small group can do, but you won't know that unless you try) and you can be small group and not invaded in WH space.
If you don't like bigger groups complaining in the forums about the lack of content, maybe the forums are not for you. HAHAHAHAHAAH... Yeah the problem is us 30/40man active pvp corporations who like to kick it large and drop 2 dreads a carrier plus a subcap fleet to dread blap another fleet who may or may not of outnumbered us cannot realistically do that if one of these new superbumloverdonut coalitions roll into our hole. We in whalegirth use to take fights against 30man SSC/noho/adhoc/ insert name fleets back in the day and we use to maybe have about 13/15 active pilots mostly multiboxing but we use to take those fights because they were fun and challenging. On the other side of that you talk about you should take a fight you think you might not win you might be surprised.. right yeah against a 99man invading t3/capital fleet yeah sure. I am sorry but as ive stated in this thread multiple times before if we wanted F1-F7 in wh space with no skill but PREZZ BOOTAAAAns receive killmails then we would be in nullsec sperge fleets under tidi. I know for a fact 90% of the guys who came here for pvp didnt come for bum fun evictions. PvP at the end of the day is ******* great and il whelp dreads and t3s anyday but think again if good fights mean a 100man fleet vs a corp who can field maybe 30 people max. If thats what wormholes are going to become then **** that **** im out.
Completely concur. |
Moth Eisig
76
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:09:54 -
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Evicting for any reason other than to live in the system yourself just lowers wormhole population and decreases content for everyone, and it's not just about the people that get evicted and never come back; it's also the people that never move in to begin with because they think they'll just get blobbed and kicked out by a bigger corp. |
Maxim DELETE
Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N
47
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Posted - 2014.10.30 13:50:28 -
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LOL, Corbexx, I see you is uncomfortable existence of the alliance who just lives in the WH. Just live.
Clarified. Many believe that it is my alliance, our alts, etc .. It is not. This alliance is primarily designed to make the lives of young russian WH-corporations. Who are not interested in pvp, are miners and manufacturers. They are interested in a relaxed lifestyle. Due to recent changes in W-Space (thanks CCP fozzie), many left the WH since they do not feel safe. The alliance - a way to unite people who have stayed in the WH, to small corporations are not afraid of each other. For our part, we just help them. Among these corporations have a lot of people that we have repeatedly killed, evicted, but due to lack of API, a small interest in the game for me and some other factors, for us they are just friends.
Corbexx, you see never seen such alliances as Wormhole Holders, Hell Gate and others. These alliances have the same goals, and that this alliance, just see you did not see them because I was too busy carebear at your home.
Let's talk about NoHo This alliance of true carebears. They do not miss a single day of farming in home system. Constantly traveling in a system with a large number of anomalies and farming there. So in this case is a NoHo alliance of carebears for which pvp - is 1-2 hours after compulsory farming anomalies.
Wondering who is more deserving of eviction?
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Niskin
League of the Lost
16
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:49 -
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I don't think that's what Corbexx was trying to say, he was just using your alliance as an example to ask a specific question of RudinV. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
839
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Posted - 2014.10.30 18:18:51 -
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Maxim DELETE wrote:LOL, Corbexx, I see you is uncomfortable existence of the alliance who just lives in the WH. Just live. Clarified. Many believe that it is my alliance, our alts, etc .. It is not. This alliance is primarily designed to make the lives of young russian WH-corporations. Who are not interested in pvp, are miners and manufacturers. They are interested in a relaxed lifestyle. Due to recent changes in W-Space (thanks CCP fozzie), many left the WH since they do not feel safe. The alliance - a way to unite people who have stayed in the WH, to small corporations are not afraid of each other. For our part, we just help them. Among these corporations have a lot of people that we have repeatedly killed, evicted, but due to lack of API, a small interest in the game for me and some other factors, for us they are just friends. Corbexx, you see never seen such alliances as Wormhole Holders, Hell Gate and others. These alliances have the same goals, and that this alliance, just you did not see them because you was too busy carebear at your home. Let's talk about NoHo This alliance of true carebears. They do not miss a single day of farming in home system. Constantly traveling in a system with a large number of anomalies and farming there. So in this case is a NoHo alliance of carebears for which pvp - is 1-2 hours after compulsory farming anomalies. Wondering who is more deserving of eviction?
I know exaclty what that allaince is I read the russian forums hell i some times even post on it.
yeah we do our sites each day its easy isk, so do most people. your also correct that we have gone in to systems withlaods of anoms to do them since its easy isk so do others. Using your criteral literally every major c5 and c6 group are carebears.
I think our kill board speaks for ourself we also do alot of bhaals deep in others systems which are argueably alot more taxing and skillful that a simple log on trap. If you want to believe were a pve allaince thats fine nothing i say will change that, and I'm not to fussed.
on to evictions do I think they are good or bad, there part of eve if people want to do them thatsfine I personally don't like going after pvp groups with a huge blob. that they have no chance of fighting. w space need all the people it can get in it not less. and thats what i am trying to do. encourage more people to come in to w-space
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
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