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Jim Hazard
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:30:41 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
No, he wrote a whole wall of text because of Pocket Pigs and BLTs. Have you not been paying attention?!?!?!
Are you implying that it really was worth paying attention?
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
104
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:35:36 -
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IBTL for ranting alright.
OP as you have been told EvE dose Change and we all have to accept that change.
And yes sometimes we have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.
So if you do not want to play this game you know what to do.
That is my two cents worth |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17387
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:37:26 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Did you ever get your chair back? I haven't been keeping up with the office diaries.
Friendship over.
Yes. It was Kevin. He got wrathed twice. The second time was EPIC. I now have appropriated (and cleaned thoroughly) the HR ladies chair during a daring early morning raid. Butt groves have been established. Details may be had on wrath and chair missions in the appropriate thread.
Jim Hazard wrote:Are you implying that it really was worth paying attention?
Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
243
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:50:26 -
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EVE IS REAL!!!
Also dam.. going down stair to get a BLT >_> |
Jim Hazard
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.10.28 00:06:30 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!
Not as long as I do not have any Bacon at home to eat it..... damn now i am really hungry. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17388
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Posted - 2014.10.28 00:09:35 -
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Jim Hazard wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!
Not as long as I do not hae any Bacon at home to eat it..... damn now i am hungry.
Go forth and procure Bacon (thick cut). Fry to a delicious crisp. Toast 2 slices of sourdough. Place Bacon, tomato and lettuce (and mayo if so inclined) between said sourdough.. and eat while angels frolic on your tastebuds.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3620
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Posted - 2014.10.28 00:24:18 -
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Anybody a bacon curing master around here? We have a Korean grocery store nearby with sliced pork belly, which is the same as raw, uncured bacon. I know that guy behind the counter would get excited abouting sell me a good unsliced hunk if I told him what it was for.
Anyway OP, I can sympathize, I've taken a good booty-ouching from a succession of updates as well. Just my luck, a whole progression of them over the years took a lot of the challenge and value out of T2 Invention and manufacturing. Used to be a pretty intricate operation that required carefully Rubik's Cube cubes around, using a combination of haulers, blockade runners, and little stealth frigates full of BPs. Might be the same now, haven't checked. I just buy and fit T2 stuff and don't worry about it getting blown up, because it's cheaper than meta 4.
"Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006)
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6968
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Posted - 2014.10.28 01:14:34 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Anybody a bacon curing master around here? We have a Korean grocery store nearby with sliced pork belly, which is the same as raw, uncured bacon. I know that guy behind the counter would get excited abouting sell me a good unsliced hunk if I told him what it was for.
You should ask your Korean butcher if he knows what Chicharr+¦n is, the best and most decadent are made from pork belly, and I am sure there is a Korean equivalent.
If you are going to go to the trouble of curing it yourself you should buy at least 5 lbs, and have access to a smoker.
Cover it in salt and brown sugar 50/50 mix for a couple days in a gallon ziplock bag or big seal-able container then rinse, pat dry, and cold smoke it for 1 day, longer if you can bear it. I suggest a mix of hickory and apple hardwoods. If you are not planning to cook and use it all within a couple days, you need to substitute tenderquick (curing salt) to your mix above and then you can vacuum seal or freeze it for storage.
I make more back-bacon (pork loin cured like ham, a.k.a. Canadian Bacon) than regular bacon as it's a tad healthier and less expensive to make, but it also takes longer to cure.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3620
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Posted - 2014.10.28 02:25:07 -
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Didn't read OP all the way through, replying to thread. I kind of agree with OP-- retroactive rule changes kind of suck. There should be a better way. Don't mess with the existing system, some people have but a lot of attention and energy into honing their place in that system. That's the beauty of EVE-- it's like a real social system, that works pretty nicely in an organic fashion. Various species find their own niches, and specialize in them.
If you nuke the system every month, all the specialization of species is wasted. Everything worked toward and fine-tuned gets ****-canned. Partial nuke, everybody back to Go, start again and re-sort.
"Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006)
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Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
867
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Posted - 2014.10.28 02:57:22 -
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sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:No it is not !
A ship in motion that is halted to a full stop that pulls itself down horizontally is a constant reminder of that fact, I guess even in a spacegame we can't escape gravity.
Is this news ?
No it is not.
However when one invents such one-liners like "EVE is real" it does make people look more closely to what you are putting out there.
Now lets get one thing straight, EVE is top notch between all the space games out there, but being satisfied with what you have allready created has never helped progress. In that regard EVE is in constant change and I am good with that.
then why am I writing this ?
because of the type of changes and their not well tought through effects on EVE universe.
My concerns are no different than anyone out there that plays this game.
I think we can all agree that when you are making changes to the game it should be a change that people were longing for and resolves issues, that only effect and bring resolve to that issue alone, not create more issues.
In my experience that is not the case, the devs seem to be in a never ending struggle to balance the game, so when you get on-line after an expansion you can find that you have stuff missing, like prints that you researched to be gone or ships that are now suddenly missing a slot or wh mechanics that are suddenly changed, what these at most will harm is you prolly ending up loosing your ship and then suddenly you are aware, so they dont pose much problems, we deal with them.
when you claim that EVE is real or is at least close to real then you can understand that rebalancing is what a 6 year old kid would invent to win the game, it has absolutely nothing to do with "real" In the real world it doesnt work like that and never will.
It would be like my car manufacturer saying "sorry sir, we think your car is too overpowered, we gonna take it back and give you another one that is less powered"
crazy right ? but like I said we all gotten used to it, and personally I dont think about it anymore, we just deal with the consequences.
However....
What I cannot get over is the effect of changes on the EVE economy.
you see, anything that would upset the markets that makes stuff more or less valuable does have a bigger impact than loosing a ship, or any other silly thing we are forced to do, to accomodate the rebalance fury of the devs.
if you are a big corp/alliance or simply someone that has a lot of assets or isk, the effects of these changes can really hurt you.
you are then looking at billions and billions of losses in a single day simply because soemone at EVE HQ thought it would be a good idea to introduce something to the market without fully calculating its effects.
simpest example is maybe someone trading in implants and CCP suddenly decides to give away those implants for free, this type of things will simply ruin your game. Maybe more recent the erratic behaviour of fuel prices, imagine that you are a big alliance that uses up trillions worth of fuel per year, the potential losses could pretty much criple your operations.
The outcome of this goes beyond the fact that people are loosing value in isk or assets, the more serious effect of this is that people in general will loose confidence in the economy, you dont have to be a wizard to understand what the outcome of that will be.
people will either pull out of the market, sell their stuff and invest in more solid assets like PLEX, which will drive PLEX prices up and all of the rest will go down, dont get me wrong large corps will still need their reserves and immediate assets for operational purposes but other than that, all the isk will be pulled out of the market to be parked in safe havens.
People will still invest and trade, but it will be short term egagements and after that pull their profit out and again put it on safe, noone will keep large stocks anymore, it will be all about making a quick profit, in a very volatile market. In this situation all people will be doing is to try and counter the effects of devaluation of assets, reserves and isk.
in the real world we call that causing a crises due to incompetent governening, if EVE had a minister of Economy he would have lost his job long time ago, if not shot to serve as an example.
CCCP boasts that EVE economy is something that is player-driven and self-regulating, things cannot be more further than the truth, not with all the constant external intervention, and as any economy that is subject to these outside influences it will react and often not in a way that will give people confidence.
yes I said CCCP, cause lets face it, our comrades at CCP headquarters are communists, since we established that EVE although it appears to have a capitalist system but in fact is a planned economy with some really incompetent governers.
now tell me again that EVE is real.
sirius2u
Wow hahaha, come on dude its a game end of debate and discussion dont like it then quit. You can always play wow or spreadsheat turbo.....
O wait its eve simulator online right? -_-" |
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Serene Repose
1574
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Posted - 2014.10.28 03:05:13 -
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EVE is real. It's this forum that's a figment of your imagination.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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sirius2u Equilibrium
7-MICRON The Kingdom of Heaven
0
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Posted - 2014.10.28 05:36:22 -
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ok glancing over my post it might have been too much for some, but hey 1 post in 3 years, I say deal with it, you have the option to look away.
but seeing the responses I dont know what is more worrying, that 90% of the people that responded to this post hasnt read it fully and yet still decided to respond or that they have the attention span of a squirell
I expected some trolls but eve trolls are ofcourse special, some downright appear to be psychic that lash out to whoever bad mouths their captors, like kidnap victims that suffer from stockholm syndrome.
what I want is what everybody else wants, which is choice. if you want to rebalance fine, but let the eve universe decide if they want the alternative, dont force it. Seed it as new content and maybe make it more attractive with a bonus feature. you will see that the people/market will always make the right choice and discard what is considered obselete to the game. this would ensure a transition that is more natural and the people/markets wouldnt be upset after every expansion. which in turn will keep PLEX cheap and markets stable. |
Katyana Technorave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.10.28 07:14:32 -
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I always thought it was like this. [sarcasm]Eve is real[/sarcasm] I was there |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
943
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Posted - 2014.10.28 07:25:50 -
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EVE Israeli a hard game.
A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
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Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
264
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Posted - 2014.10.28 07:32:57 -
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k.
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Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
166
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Posted - 2014.10.28 07:33:08 -
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sirius2u Equilibrium wrote: if you are a big corp/alliance or simply someone that has a lot of assets or isk, the effects of these changes can really hurt you.
What? When has this happened, ever? Did you miss the whole tech nerf that allliances shrugged off?
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:simpest example is maybe someone trading in implants and CCP suddenly decides to give away those implants for free, this type of things will simply ruin your game. If one tiny sub-set of a sectrion of the market ruins your game then you are trading wrong, very wrong.
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:Maybe more recent the erratic behaviour of fuel prices, imagine that you are a big alliance that uses up trillions worth of fuel per year, the potential losses could pretty much criple your operations. Nope, did you not see the PL financial accounts? Fuel costs were pretty insignificant even with the rises.
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:The outcome of this goes beyond the fact that people are loosing value in isk or assets, the more serious effect of this is that people in general will loose confidence in the economy, you dont have to be a wizard to understand what the outcome of that will be. No they won't they will just bet money on speculation, like i'm guessing you did, and lost...
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:in the real world we call that causing a crises due to incompetent governening, if EVE had a minister of Economy he would have lost his job long time ago, if not shot to serve as an example.
1) This isn't the real world, it's a game that gets updated, as MMO's do. 2) EvE did have kind of a minister of economy, Eyjolfur Gudmundsson, and seeing as the economy still works despite all this ~bad stuff~ you suggest, i'd say he did a damn fine job. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
79
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:26:06 -
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Uhm dude.........
The tag line...for marketing puroses or anything else "EvE is Real"
Is not the perspective of how things work in the game, like mechanics and stuff.
Its about how invested one can be into the meta-game more so. Like the trust factor between players, the spais&fries concept, and basically even the most hardcore solo-like player can affect or be affected by the myriad of other players in the game on a daily basis based on actions taken.
Im assuming you have never been in a good small gang pvp fight where you won/lost but your efforts mattered or been out mining and upset so much at some douche locking up and rudely trying to mine your rocks that you went got a combat ship and seriously gave him a lesson in proper miner ettiquete. or that you were an explorer looking for a big payoff only to find as you get the market someone was seconds ahead of you and blasted the market into oblivion making your payoff almost worthless in the amount of time you put into it.
That is what is mean by EvE is real.....player interaction. So yeah i agree with another poster earlier said....to publicly state your not butthurt....must mean your bleeding profusely from the posterior. Show us on the pod where the bad ganker touched you? |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
79
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:29:50 -
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and speaking of BLT..... Hmm that sounds good actually even for breakfast, toasted bread, Bacon, lettuce, tomatoe...going to add a fried egg and slice of cheese to this as well. should go good with my cup of coffee |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3621
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:13:31 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Anybody a bacon curing master around here? We have a Korean grocery store nearby with sliced pork belly, which is the same as raw, uncured bacon. I know that guy behind the counter would get excited abouting sell me a good unsliced hunk if I told him what it was for. You should ask your Korean butcher if he knows what Chicharr+¦n is, the best and most decadent are made from pork belly, and I am sure there is a Korean equivalent. If you are going to go to the trouble of curing it yourself you should buy at least 5 lbs, and have access to a smoker. Cover your pork belly heavily in salt and brown sugar 50/50 mix for 2-3 days in one or more gallon ziplock bags or a big seal-able container 1 layer deep. Place this in the fridge on the bottom shelf if possible. If using bags, flip them over every 12 hours, if using a container flip the slabs inside at least once. Once the brining is over, rinse off your bacon slabs, and soak them in cold water for 20 minutes, remove and pat dry. Last step is to cold smoke it for 1 day, longer if you can bear it. I suggest a mix of hickory and apple hardwoods. If you are not planning to cook and use it all within a few days of making it, you need to substitute tenderquick (curing salt) to your mix above and then you can vacuum seal or freeze it after you smoke it. I also like to spread a bit of sugar on it when it goes into the smoker, it slowly melts into the fat. I make more back-bacon (pork loin cured like ham, a.k.a. Canadian Bacon) than regular bacon as it's a tad healthier and less expensive to make, it takes longer to cure but follows the same basic recipe and can be hot smoked unlike regular bacon. o7 Pork belly becomes bacon this weekend.
"Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006)
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17407
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Posted - 2014.10.28 20:15:35 -
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Doc Fury wrote: Cover your pork belly heavily in salt and brown sugar 50/50 mix for 2-3 days in one or more gallon ziplock bags or a big seal-able container 1 layer deep. Place this in the fridge on the bottom shelf if possible. If using bags, flip them over every 12 hours, if using a container flip the slabs inside at least once. Once the brining is over, rinse off your bacon slabs, and soak them in cold water for 20 minutes, remove and pat dry. Last step is to cold smoke it for 1 day, longer if you can bear it. I suggest a mix of hickory and apple hardwoods. If you are not planning to cook and use it all within a few days of making it, you need to substitute tenderquick (curing salt) for the regular salt in your mix above and then you can vacuum seal or freeze it after you smoke it. I also like to spread a bit of sugar on it when it goes into the smoker, it slowly melts into the fat.
This must be an excerpt from the man's version of 50 Shades of Gray..
50 Slabs of Bacon by Doc Fury.
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UnknownEnemyCombatant
6
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Posted - 2014.10.28 22:46:33 -
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so im confused. buy plex or not? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17409
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:19:06 -
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UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:so im confused. buy plex or not?
19.95 only buys one PLEX.. but it buys a **** load of bacon.
The answer is clear.
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R0mparkin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:07:26 -
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1055
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:34:50 -
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Someone has something to say and the sycophants show up with the snazzy one liners that have made them EvE famous. You guys never fail to disappoint (clip this part and say I never fail not to for your sound bite).
I had similar thoughts the other day. Why does CCP spend so much time rebalancing which just leads to them rebalancing? I will give you the answer, it is hard for people to accept that some things and some people are just better. Especially in EvE. And it is hard for CCP to do more than rebalance and skin ships.
Remember EvE is not a skill based game. You get better by playing longer than someone else. Time gives you access to better ships with better equipment and better utility from ships and equipment. The best EvE pilot in the world in a Day 1 character will lose miserably to the worst pilot who has played significantly longer than them.
And why can't some ships be better than others? If we were restricted to a faction I could understand wanting balance, but when you can pilot anything who cares? But people whine and rebalancing is one thing CCP has the skill to do so that is where they spend their time.
tl:dr Life isn't fair, and for people who pride themselves for playing a harsh game you sure whine a lot for rebalancing.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
651
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Posted - 2014.10.29 05:27:52 -
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Even I got that "eve is real" is not a reference to any exacting real life astronomical physics.. It was about the stories of Eve and the fact that all people around the world participate in the same eve online game world.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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