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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:38:07 -
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Dear Readers
After the barrage of post today I find myself unable to sit back and remain quiet about this issue anymore (you will see the irony of this statement shortly.) Of my albeit little time reading this board it has become clear to me that it has amongst other problems a very serious and cancerous body resting somewhere near it's heart.
I am talking of course of Ms. Diana Kim. Her continued hollow, vile, and vapid attempts to spit hatred and bigotry here has gone on quite enough. Her bold face wishes to be part of the Provists movement and hero worship of Heth represent the worst of the Caldari ideals, she represents the worst of my people. As such I can no longer sit by without at least speaking my peace. To my fellow Caldari and the other nations alike, she is a harlequin echo of the man who nearly sent our State to ruin and worse still she is both completely unrepentant and vocal about this.
Ms. Kim represents a nearly extinct and locally reviled percentage of our people but shouts so loud she allude to a scale far greater than reality allows. Like the Provist she espouses whenever questioned, she represents an enemy of the Caldari State not an Ally, and as such I would emplore all those who should choose to continue to engage her in her grandstanding to remember this.
After reading through today's dose of bigotry I found myself thinking on an old saying my mother would repeat to me. One should know my mother never engaged in outright combat during her entire life so take this with a grain of salt, that said it roughly translated to:
"The greatest injury one can inflict upon his foe, is to ignore him. "
And so today I give you my pledge; " No more. Not more will I engage this bigoted grandstander. No more will I grant her vitriol an ear to land upon. No more will I lash back in anger and frustration against a foe who's only goal is attention for her vile agenda. I am finished. I pledge to no longer engage in this hate-filled game. I will not respond; no matter the cries or calls of cowardice. I will not afford this vapid foe another ounce of my effort or attention. This I pledge and enshrine here for all to see. "
I deeply hope more will join me in his effort, as I know so many more have done already. I'd be happy to engage in the discussion if you see folly in my actions (or more accurately" inaction. ") with named parties and known compatriots excluded of course.
Sincerely and Respectfully
K. Amsel
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Anslo
Scope Works
19836
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:40:14 -
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And someone finally tells it like it should be.
I'm pretty sure I'll mess up, but hey, I'm in.
Signed.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:51:05 -
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You have put me to shame, mademoiselle.
Rightfully so.
As much as it pains me, as I feel a compulsion to defend the nation and people for which I care deeply; I will commit to this course of action as well.
You, all of you, have my sincerest apologies for fueling the flames when it was unwise to do so.
~Liam Antolliere
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Calairis
Phaeornis Asymmetrics
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:52:24 -
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Sadly, the strict adherence of our peers cannot be relied upon. Historically, someone always takes the bait. |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:55:24 -
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Let em. They'll get the hint soon enough.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Gradient
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:58:35 -
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Viz, Liam, and Anslo(l) hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter to me how polite or upstanding one can be: if this person is causing egregious annoyances throughout the cluster be it my friend or foe, they don't deserve a single reactionary bit from me. I urge you all to do the same.
Or, uh. Something like that, right? Something professional sounding. |
Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:00:02 -
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The gods know I have tried in the past and will attempt to do so again, but a part of me has a problem remaining silent when I see such erroneous statements.
That said, I will do my best to remain silent
Steffanie Saissore,
Knight
Stormcrows
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Anslo
Scope Works
19839
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:01:06 -
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You people realize you can hide their posts...right?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:04:45 -
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This hasn't been suggested already several times over.
-Eran |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:08:49 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:This hasn't been suggested already several times over.
-Eran
It has, Monsieur Mintor.
However, some of us are new to the scene and some of us would rather have given her a chance to prove or disprove the claims against her. It was an error to continue to engage, and for that I have apologized.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:24:37 -
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I find it mildly distressing the messages that the posting of a thread such of this sends: on the one hand, a disappointing lack of willpower on the part of most users of this forum (myself included in some cases), and on the other, the complete blind eye that the CRC has given to this forum for so long so as to let it get to the point where such a thread is necessary.
If the CRC has no desire to keep this forum in a usable state it seems worth questioning the point of using it in the first place.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Deitra Vess
Dead Men Rising
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:31:10 -
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I can't promise I'm going to outright stop talking to her, but I'll stay out of obvious grabs for attention. and not reply back when it escalates. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6390
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Posted - 2014.10.27 20:03:56 -
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Already blocked, and now going to thoroughly resist the urge to be baited by. I encourage all loyal State citizens to do the same, so that it will be as if this madwoman's words find an empty room.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:51:44 -
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I wrote this during a small tea break I was taking between meetings today. Needless to say I am deeply happy to see such positive responses from this community. I hope more can take up this charge and thought are non-participation send a clear message that enough is enough.
We have attempted reason countless amounts of times and Ms. Kim has through either cognitive dissonance or simple ignorance ignored our cries. Truly her game is rigged from the start, while the rest of us remain constrained by our faculties, such as logic and reason she will blissfully move past such impediments.
The only way to win this game, is to not play it in the first place.
I know how hard this can be, I have fallen prey to it countless times now and blame no one who has or will themselves. I only wish to shine a light upon the only healthy option I see at this juncture.
On the subject of moderation. This too deeply troubles me. The tool is broken without doubt. I see no groundskeepers in sight so I guess that leaves it up to us.
Sincerely
-K |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.28 01:29:43 -
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But ma'am! Can we still respond with live ammunition? |
Jace Sarice
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Posted - 2014.10.28 04:11:42 -
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I have had all communication of hers blocked for many months. I will continue to do so. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
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Posted - 2014.10.28 05:52:15 -
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I blocked the accursed little troll many months ago. I advise all the rest of you to do the same.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19858
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:33:39 -
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Well the balls rolling now. Just gotta get more people on board with it. Looking at you Elmund.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:40:50 -
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Anslo wrote:Well the balls rolling now. Just gotta get more people on board with it. Looking at you Elmund.
You can't argue with ammo on the IGS. |
Anslo
Scope Works
19858
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:47:31 -
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I'm saying don't even respond to her. Just go shoot her. You looking for a job by the way? I like the cut of your jib, friend.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:13:06 -
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Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.
Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.
You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks! |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:13:57 -
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Anslo wrote:I'm saying don't even respond to her. Just go shoot her. You looking for a job by the way? I like the cut of your jib, friend.
Still sorting out some private matters before deciding whether to return to privateering. Thanks for the offer though.
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.
Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.
You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks!
We are just tired by her arguments on why the Federation must be destroyed, or rather, her lack of argument points and her crippling myopia. |
Avio Yaken
Scope Works
1163
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:27:05 -
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((This is my attempt at professional rp so..derp :l am bad at this))
I find this saddening to admit this, as I am not a man that condems people
But Vizage is correct, this is perhaps necessary for all of us to do in order to move towwrds a more peaceful forum with heated debates about politics and friendly discussion about minor things. ..as well as....Anslo
Diana, you have Insulted my famiy name one to many times, branded us as traitors against the state when all of my ancestors fought in the first Gallente-Caldari war and how I sacrifice my time to help corporations within the state to exterminate pirate agents internally cuasing choas within Caldari space endangering Caldari citizens lifes
Yet you label me scum of the universe despite my actions to make Caldari space somewhat more safer for baseliners to travel, When you act more patriotic towards the Amarr empire rather than your own homeland and you dare question my patriotism?. You supported Amarrian duster whom terrorized Caldari citizens by killing several and detonating a bomb possibly endangering more lifes..thankfully no one died during the bombing..But to support theses terrorists of the state only exceeds the point Vizage is making
Unlike you my mother actually was a Provist, a Provist that believed highly in upholding Caldari traditions and was willing to fight and die for the betterment of the state, I remember her telling me the possibilities and chance of her dieing everh assignment she went on, She knew the risks of every job she was given and yet she happily went on theses missions regardless of if she dies. And you insult her honor?
Also you fail to understand the act of Self Defence, Every Amarr vessel I shot down was in self defence as I wish to protect my crew as well as my assets from frantic soldiers with a itchy trigger finger...it just so happens my ship is armed with 200mm railguns..it also just ao happens my ship is equiped with a stasis webifer...also it happens its equiped with a warp disrupter..it ALSO just happens to be apart of a larger fleet on the other side of the gate wait ing on my que to come in and shoot everyone. ...IT ALSO JUST SO HAPPENS to be a cyno ready to lit by my ship
But its all in self defence
I am sorry for the long post, i just wanted to get that off my chest, Vizage you have my respect for this thread
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:18:14 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.
Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.
You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks!
Ms. Wendrika with all due respect, telling us to hate who we want and then scolding us for choosing Diana Kim in the very same thread is an act of visible hypocrisy.
Furthermore saying don't take hatred personally is a rather obvious oxymoron. Hate is personal, it comes from a personal choice and position, expecting anyone, Ms. Kim included to not take it personally is just absurd quite frankly and I really don't think you understand our frustration when you lay it out as simple "hating an opposing faction."
What angers us (or at least me.) Is the absolutely staggering amount of cognitive dissonance Ms. Kim displays. Bigotry aside Ms. Kim is a walking contradiction. Serving our State and espousing Provists (at least publicly) is a mutually exclusive spectrum. Provists are by recognition of The Caldari State, outlaws and murderers, making them no better Gurista's by any practical definition. They are enemies of the State, pure and simple. But when we bring this up she passively ignores this reality in exchange for whatever warped world view she holds in that head of hers. She is a hypocrit. Worse still she in unrepentant.
Throw on some Bigotry and her constant dillusional warmonger and I ask you.
"Can you really blame us?
Regards
-K
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Quattras Peione
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:32:30 -
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There are little glimmers of hope here and there, but for the most part all I hear is rhetoric. And it is no better, nor is it any worse, than Cdr Kim's.
I have no real personal interest here, I just wonder why I seem to be the only person who's tried being friendly? Maybe a bit aggressive... I've been told I'm guilty of that. But friendly. I didn't tell her to shut up, or change her views, or say that her point was invalid. I just suggested that she try something new.
Granted, it didn't work. But I tried. And I would try again. I guess part of this sack of meat is still human, after all. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3327
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:35:55 -
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Your argument was almost hot enough to put some sweat under the collar, dear Vizage.
You should get angry more often.
I like it.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6394
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:36:19 -
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Mr. Peione, I get the impression you haven't been here long. Kim has made thousands of posts along the current line, in any thread she is able to, to the point that it's difficult to have a discussion here that isn't derailed by her insanity. This is not new. Pilots have tried to reform her, to help her, to debate with her, all for naught.
There is nothing you or any of us can do but ignore her.
And on that note, I'm now going to not only ignore Kim, but ignore discussion about her, because I suspect that, too, feeds her megalomania.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:52:06 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:There are little glimmers of hope here and there, but for the most part all I hear is rhetoric. And it is no better, nor is it any worse, than Cdr Kim's.
I have no real personal interest here, I just wonder why I seem to be the only person who's tried being friendly? Maybe a bit aggressive... I've been told I'm guilty of that. But friendly. I didn't tell her to shut up, or change her views, or say that her point was invalid. I just suggested that she try something new.
Granted, it didn't work. But I tried. And I would try again. I guess part of this sack of meat is still human, after all.
Because many have tried to be friendly, a few in this thread even tried it very recently, but eventually, they all faced the same issue, Cmd Kims deep hatred of the Gallente Federation , beyond any reasonable level, infects everything.
Many here once believed the same as you, they tried where others warned them for it, only to realize that sometimes there is no deeper level.
Explode a Nyx for the Kids!
The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race: Tech 3 Destroyers!
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:31:18 -
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I struggle to even understand why everyone has such boiling vitriol for such a likeable person like Miss Kim. No really, of all the talks I had with her all I saw was an honest, hard working person with a love for her nation and people.
It's one thing to hate the Gallente, or the Blood Raiders, or the Sansha. But you are all making this loud crusade against a single person just because you don't like what she says or thinks.
But why? Did she wronged you somehow? Did she commited unspeakable atrocities against you? Is she a threat to your way of life?
Or is it because you have no better reason? That's like, really petty!
No really, if you don't like that Miss Kim hates the Gallente, then hate the Caldari aswell! If she calls you a traitor and probably has a point (really Mister Yaken, you're a "reporter" working for Mister Anslo that shoots people, I can come up with a couple of reasons why she would call you a traitor), don't act wounded!
Shouting in the Summit that you don't like Miss Kim won't get you anywhere further than you would by hating her in silence! |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3334
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Posted - 2014.10.28 20:33:28 -
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I dislike Kim because her staggering ineptitude soiled the honor of a dear friend of mine.
Ask him. He's still missing part of his little finger.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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