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Cant tell Ifserious
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:36:04 -
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I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
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Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:44:14 -
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Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour. |
somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:56:30 -
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Try gas harvesting in nullsec/wormholes, I've read that is where the money is at the moment. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:01:56 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.
Edit: Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup. IIRC it's around 4 miners before boosts pay for themselves, at least in the case of an Orca.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:14:02 -
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I am pretty sure this is actually an anti-AFK-mining and botting troll post but anyway - taking the OP seriously for now:
The miners in my mains corp log in with a couple of characters each and park in a belt and go off to watch a movie and cook dinner. They are logged in for maybe 6 or 8 hurs a night but actually "play" for about an hour of that.
In terms of ISK/hour-actually-playing the mining makes more ISK per hour than even incursions. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:24:33 -
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Supply and demand. |
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:30:59 -
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income from ratting in hubs and such are set by CCP though the bounty payouts (Ticks) this is isk generated from nothing.
Income from mining is generated by selling ore/minerals on the market which is player driven
If the cost or ore went up the cost of minerals would also go up which in turn would effect the price of everything from a T1 afterburner to a Titan.
Yes you would make more isk/per hour on paper but because the cost of everything would go up you would be no better off in fact you would be worse off because the ratting income would remain the same.
It could be argued that Ratting income is to high but if you did lower the ratting income it would effect the ore/mineral price as people would no longer have as much isk to spend meaning less sales which leads to high supply low demand which will in turn lower the value of the item as people under cut to get rid of there stock |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:45:56 -
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Sadly, if mining was more profitable in isk terms, more people would do it, making it less profitable. That's the sad reality of being at the whims of market demands. |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.29 05:34:44 -
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Because you are doing it WRONG.
Mining is BORING and intended for industrial material supply, not for pressing F1 and going AFK.
A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
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R0mparkin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:10:06 -
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mining is broken, eve is dying!! |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:45:28 -
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Can't tell if serious....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:48:17 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can't tell if serious.... Came here for this. Was not disappointed.
Bacon makes us stronger
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 07:27:06 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:
as for this statement
The miners in my mains corp log in with a couple of characters each and park in a belt and go off to watch a movie and cook dinner. They are logged in for maybe 6 or 8 hours a night but actually "play" for about an hour of that.
i can tell you must be new to mining
ive done a little mining and i cant go afk for any longer than 5 mins, stripminers tend to mine out a roid in 2 cycles at which point i need to relock a new roid and activate the stripminers again on top of that the ore hold fills up 2 quick to go afk for for more than 10 mins not to mention nullsec belt rats do hurt even in a skiff going afk is not advisable.
unless your mining buddys are using a decent bot to jetcan and warp off if rats turn up. i cant see how they can go afk and watch a movie or cook dinner
You in high sec Emma?
Out in the back blocks of 0.0 there are roids no one gets to for years. Those babies just grow and grow and grow. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.10.29 08:39:13 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:i can tell you must be new to mining You've never mined Null Anoms, have you? Set up on low competition roids (anything but the ABCMs in my experience) and you can mine the same rocks for ages, the occasional rat spawn is the biggest non-player threat. |
Desimus Maximus
Embargo.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 08:52:08 -
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Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 08:55:17 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.
Different activities scale differently.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.10.29 10:50:31 -
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Take the "R" out of "RISK" and you got...no wait....Take the "K" out...or was it...hang on.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Cynadore
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:01:37 -
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How about adding value to your mining by turning those minerals into something useful that people actually want. There's more profit in selling ships or ammo than in selling plain old minerals. |
Satan's Spawn
Satan's Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:09:52 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:[quote=Emma Muutaras]
Out in the back blocks of 0.0 there are roids no one gets to for years. Those babies just grow and grow and grow.
lol, this. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:22:52 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
Because of Falcon.
I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it.
- Bill Frug
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:55:46 -
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because ore is worth like 17 isk/unit for veldspar.
that is the reason, and that alone.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jegrey Dozer wrote:Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.
Edit: Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup. IIRC it's around 4 miners before boosts pay for themselves, at least in the case of an Orca.
considering an orca's links gives you just over a 50% boost in yield, as soon as you get to 3 accounts it's paying for itself. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:03:37 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC it's around 4 miners before boosts pay for themselves, at least in the case of an Orca.
considering an orca's links gives you just over a 50% boost in yield, as soon as you get to 3 accounts it's paying for itself. Thanks for the correction Dave, it's been a while since I've used my Orca and alt mining accounts so my recollection is a bit dusty.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:19:59 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
Mining isn't a profession. Mining is part of the industry profession. You can make a substantial amount from mining if you start producing stuff from the ore. |
Dave Stark
7078
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC it's around 4 miners before boosts pay for themselves, at least in the case of an Orca.
considering an orca's links gives you just over a 50% boost in yield, as soon as you get to 3 accounts it's paying for itself. Thanks for the correction Dave, it's been a while since I've used my Orca and alt mining accounts so my recollection is a bit dusty.
for future reference. compared to a solo miner, boosts give you somewhere just over 70% extra yield i think. however when comparing an orca boosted miner to one being boosted just by fleet boosts (so like, 15% yield from a mindlinked squad leader etc) it drops to just over 50% which still makes it worth getting the orca as your third pilot.
which is nice because it means the point for adding an orca is always 3 pilots (unless you don't have a mindlink because you're cheap) |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:21:34 -
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Peons, a Rorqual will pay for itself with just one miner. ;) |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:23:14 -
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Because its effortless and can easily be done AFK/boxing/botting? If anything it should offer even less rewards, and there should be active involvement required so that it cannot be done AFK. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:57:38 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Because its effortless and can easily be done AFK/boxing/botting? If anything it should offer even less rewards, and there should be active involvement required so that it cannot be done AFK.
So we need to kill more miners in high sec so that the reward for mining goes down?
Great suggestion. I think I will do a bit of that tonight. |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:03:27 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote: You can make a substantial amount from mining if you start producing stuff from the ore.
Bullshit. You can break even or get a small profit on top of it, nothing more, and the only way you're going to make any profit is by opening up Excel and turning Eve into a *JOB*. Most modules and ships you might want to build you are competing with builders who have perfect BPO's, and half of them sell their product at a loss over mineral value. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:16:08 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Because its effortless and can easily be done AFK/boxing/botting? If anything it should offer even less rewards, and there should be active involvement required so that it cannot be done AFK. So we need to kill more miners in high sec so that the reward for mining goes down? Great suggestion. I think I will do a bit of that tonight.
No, you need to find a way to permanently shut down the 50 ship russian bot fleets. Killing one miner may make you feel good, but it won't actually solve the problem. |
sereneabt
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:17:06 -
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Xavier Holtzman wrote:Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
Because of Falcon.
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