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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8891
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Posted - 2014.11.02 11:58:06 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
21 mil per tick is 63 mil per hour not 80. Perhaps your problem is basic math?
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Dave stark
7117
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:09:36 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6606
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:15:16 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing.
I'm pretty sure that more miners die each day to suicide ganks than have been destroyed in 10 years from awoxing. And no one is suggesting that ganking be removed. In fact, no one is suggesting that awoxing be removed either. Just that it has consequences.
Find something to have a meltdown about that has a hint of reality to it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:16:50 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Cant tell Ifserious wrote:you cant afk mine in nullsec. You have to worry about battleship rat spawns that kick ur ass and over powered interceptors warping to your belt..... Sure you can. Just have one guy in the belt watching with fleet warp on.
How is it afk if someone is at the keyboard waiting to hit fleet warp.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:32:55 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
21 mil per tick is 63 mil per hour not 80. Perhaps your problem is basic math? Isn't a tick every fifteen minutes? |
Dave Stark
7117
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:35:12 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing. I'm pretty sure that more miners die each day to suicide ganks than have been destroyed in 10 years from awoxing. And no one is suggesting that ganking be removed. In fact, no one is suggesting that awoxing be removed either. Just that it has consequences. Find something to have a meltdown about that has a hint of reality to it. Mr Epeen
we're talking about becoming rich... suicide ganking ain't cheap. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6606
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:37:32 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing. I'm pretty sure that more miners die each day to suicide ganks than have been destroyed in 10 years from awoxing. And no one is suggesting that ganking be removed. In fact, no one is suggesting that awoxing be removed either. Just that it has consequences. Find something to have a meltdown about that has a hint of reality to it. Mr Epeen we're talking about becoming rich... suicide ganking ain't cheap.
Then you're doing it wrong.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8891
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:58:56 -
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Sol Project wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk? ccp pls :(
21 mil per tick is 63 mil per hour not 80. Perhaps your problem is basic math? Isn't a tick every fifteen minutes?
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:29:46 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing. I'm pretty sure that more miners die each day to suicide ganks than have been destroyed in 10 years from awoxing. And no one is suggesting that ganking be removed. In fact, no one is suggesting that awoxing be removed either. Just that it has consequences. Find something to have a meltdown about that has a hint of reality to it. Mr Epeen we're talking about becoming rich... suicide ganking ain't cheap. Then you're doing it wrong. Mr Epeen
if you're ganking miners for their rocks, no amount of "doing it right" will make it particularly profitable. |
Bluespot85
Cherry Popper Mining Company
13
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:34:26 -
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Rowells wrote:Sadly, if mining was more profitable in isk terms, more people would do it, making it less profitable. That's the sad reality of being at the whims of market demands.
it's not just that, the mineral values in all blueprints are wrong which makes mining unprofitable.
Mineral values that are required by blueprints need to be altered to cater for todays game. It's crazy that blueprints need huge amounts of trit and very little zyd and mega, thats what is wrong with mining.
Thats why mining trit in a 1.0 system will allways pay more than mega in a -1.0 system.
If the values of zyd and mega required by blueprints were increased by a factor of 10 or more, then mining in 0.0 would become worthwhile, and give people plenty to fight over. |
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:18:40 -
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I wish that making isk from mining was as lucrative as ratting. Doubt it will ever happen though. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1645
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Posted - 2014.11.03 03:21:03 -
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Bluespot85 wrote:Rowells wrote:Sadly, if mining was more profitable in isk terms, more people would do it, making it less profitable. That's the sad reality of being at the whims of market demands. it's not just that, the mineral values in all blueprints are wrong which makes mining unprofitable. Mineral values that are required by blueprints need to be altered to cater for todays game. It's crazy that blueprints need huge amounts of trit and very little zyd and mega, thats what is wrong with mining. Thats why mining trit in a 1.0 system will always pay more than mega in a -1.0 system. If the values of zyd and mega required by blueprints were increased by a factor of 10 or more, then mining in 0.0 would become worthwhile, and give people plenty to fight over. Other than the small fact it doesn't most of the time. Right now is one of the first times that Ark is worth less than Veld (Other ores have priced higher for a bit, but not Veld). And that you can mine Trit in a -1.0 system also with larger rocks, more rocks, AND better 5% & 10% ores. Anything you can mine in High or Low sec exists in Null also. Null miners are just so stuck in their ways they can't even think of doing anything but what the 5 year old guides say (Or their bots are too old and need updating). Null mining is always more profitable than High sec if you actually do it right. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2639
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Posted - 2014.11.03 07:42:09 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune. can't, ccp is removing awoxing.
Sir, are you drunk?
CCP has no intentions of removing suicide ganking.
This is not a signature.
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Vizjira
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
0
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Posted - 2014.11.03 10:21:46 -
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1) Don't bring in other parts of the industrial chain to justify/evaluate the profitability of mining, you can always buy ore and do only the second part which means those processes have to be considered seperate
2) The entire problem can be explained in one single word: Scalability
The problem with mining is that it is so amazingly simpel and passive that you can, esp given those handy and regrettably allowed tools like ISBoxer, just add more and more miners to your fleet with nearly proportional scaling. In one world you need 50 miners with 1 ship to satisfy the supply needs for x, in this world you can just have 1 miner with 50 ships - less hassle organizing, way less vulnurable to ganks in HS (loosing a ship as a single miner hurts/is a non issue in mboxing - allowing for thin tanked setups) etc.
Or the other way around, if you single boxing can make a lot of money, someone else will get more and more chars until he reaches financial equilibrium and resets the system back to square one. |
Nick Starkey
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
85
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Posted - 2014.11.03 11:34:45 -
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For the same reason every other easily scalable activity doesn't make much isk: because anyone can do it, with little effort and in large numbers. Since the value of minerals is fully related to market supply and demand, it is never going to be worth much when the barrier of entry is so miniscule.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
763
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:18:48 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:I wish that making isk from mining was as lucrative as ratting. Doubt it will ever happen though.
this wont happen as afk ratting isnt as easy as afk mining. Effort = Reward is somewhat valid in this formula. |
Awesome MILF
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:03:50 -
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Because of reprocessing loot stuff.
This can bring billions of minerals so the ore from mining is less neccesary, thus prices drop.
If CCP changed loot stuff, for example just spawn T2 items or rare expensive items, or just meta4 stuff that is a waste to reprocess...
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
800
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:27:50 -
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Awesome MILF wrote:Because of reprocessing loot stuff.
This can bring billions of minerals so the ore from mining is less neccesary, thus prices drop.
If CCP changed loot stuff, for example just spawn T2 items or rare expensive items, or just meta4 stuff that is a waste to reprocess...
Didn't reprocessing already get a boot to the nuts in the last few months? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2889
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:42:32 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:this wont happen as afk ratting isnt as easy as afk mining. Effort = Reward is somewhat valid in this formula.
Well, I don't know about it. I never saw my strip miners going postal on rocks by themselves and my bouncers quite often melt rats even when I get lost in archives of redtube :)
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5043
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:02:24 -
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I think passive mining should be less profitable than it is now, while hands-on, competetive mining should be of greater reward, while the medium of somewhat interactive mining stays around the same.
But that would require new mining mechanics.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Phedina Borbonica
Claws of the Demon Skeleton Crew.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:33:55 -
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"hands-on, competetive mining"
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5043
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:49:42 -
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Phedina Borbonica wrote:"hands-on, competetive mining"
Lol Small volume high value veins that need active moving around rocks, scanning and luck, thus hands-on. Limited amount of those means competition through extinction pressure.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1169
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:03:44 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Phedina Borbonica wrote:"hands-on, competetive mining"
Lol Small volume high value veins that need active moving around rocks, scanning and luck, thus hands-on. Limited amount of those means competition through extinction pressure.
You are suggesting mining anoms as a new exploration activity ?
Curious. May actually work. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
641
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:20:08 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:I wish that making isk from mining was as lucrative as ratting. Doubt it will ever happen though.
I guarantee it never will. NPCs pay bounties, players buy minerals and they need an income to pay for those minerals. Mining missions need A LOT of love before mining becomes a faucet. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6480
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:20:34 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Awesome MILF wrote:Because of reprocessing loot stuff.
This can bring billions of minerals so the ore from mining is less neccesary, thus prices drop.
If CCP changed loot stuff, for example just spawn T2 items or rare expensive items, or just meta4 stuff that is a waste to reprocess... Didn't reprocessing already get a boot to the nuts in the last few months? Yeah, it was nerfed. Among other reasons, preventing this form of gunmining was one consideration...
Not that it was PARTICULARLY major in the first place, though (modules I mean)
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1954
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:54:28 -
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Because high sec has too much of the different ores.
+1
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1828
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:25:21 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Phedina Borbonica wrote:"hands-on, competetive mining"
Lol Small volume high value veins that need active moving around rocks, scanning and luck, thus hands-on. Limited amount of those means competition through extinction pressure. You are suggesting mining anoms as a new exploration activity ? Curious. May actually work.
I don't think mining will ever be more complicated than it currently is. It needs to be doable by people who run 30 character operations on their own. They make good money and are probably part of the reason why mining is a bad way to make ISK for everyone else. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:31:50 -
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People who ask this show that they have no clue how the game works.
I need a stack/queue for mass payments of ISK ingame
Click the above link!
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1363
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:52:02 -
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Prime Arkonor is the rarest of the rare; the king of ores. Giving a 10% greater mineral yield than regular ark, this is the stuff that makes billionaires out of people lucky enough to stumble upon a vein.
The rarest and most sought-after ore in the known universe. A sizable nugget of this can sweep anyone from rags to riches in no time. |
Dave Stark
7119
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:06:54 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Prime Arkonor is the rarest of the rare; the king of ores. Giving a 10% greater mineral yield than regular ark, this is the stuff that makes billionaires out of people lucky enough to stumble upon a vein.
The rarest and most sought-after ore in the known universe. A sizable nugget of this can sweep anyone from rags to riches in no time.
i lol'd |
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