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Keeley HaZZeLL
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.26 21:28:00 -
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i think the is a good idea possibility to transfert skill point from a pg that you bought on eve forum.
for example my main is A that have 20m sp, i bought pg B that have 30m sp. When transfert is complete (around 10h) a message say me if i wanna add B pg on my account or use B skill points, and if i select use B skillpoint, their are will trasfert into A account (20m sp (base) + 30m sp = 50m sp), when sp is transfered B pg is delete.
This is like on sisi if you partecipate on mass test that you have X m sp that you can spend with everyskills. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
17
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Posted - 2011.11.26 21:37:00 -
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-1
Buying SP, in any form, is against the principles of Eve.
I understand the frustration of having to wait so long to put so many skills to 5. ItGÇÖs tough to have to wait to fly the ships you want. We've all been there. Eventually you get to the point where it isnGÇÖt as big of a deal.
What you can do it buy some PLEX, sell it for some +5 implants, and get a jump clone to keep them in. Remap as needed. That is the closest you can get to buying SP in Eve.
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Aesiron
Squadron 1
16
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Posted - 2011.11.26 21:56:00 -
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Obsidiana wrote:-1
Buying SP, in any form, is against the principles of Eve.
I understand the frustration of having to wait so long to put so many skills to 5. ItGÇÖs tough to have to wait to fly the ships you want. We've all been there. Eventually you get to the point where it isnGÇÖt as big of a deal.
What you can do it buy some PLEX, sell it for some +5 implants, and get a jump clone to keep them in. Remap as needed. That is the closest you can get to buying SP in Eve.
Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1? It is really dumb and just shows that you are trolling. |
Frolicking Fairy
Thundercats Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2011.11.26 22:13:00 -
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if you buy the toon on the forum then buy the toon that is setup the way you want and if you complain that those cost more its cause they are done right and use the sp more efficiently |
Velicitia
Open Designs
119
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Posted - 2011.11.27 00:35:00 -
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-1 the idea is just bad. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae RED.Legion
5
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Posted - 2011.11.27 02:23:00 -
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-1 bad, because I buy a few characters, and instantly I have all combat skills to 5, with 300m sp |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
181
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Posted - 2011.11.27 02:28:00 -
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Thank you, I'll just go buy a bunch of trial alts, PLEX them, give them +5/+5 implants, train random skills with those two attributes for two months, then transfer them to my main who won't ever need to buy implants anymore.
Counterproposal: biomass yourself. |
Mephice
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.11.27 04:34:00 -
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It would make it too easy for a player like me to produce several maxed out characters and make it too hard for a new player to compete. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
238
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Posted - 2011.11.27 04:42:00 -
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Mephice wrote:It would make it too easy for a player like me to produce several maxed out characters and make it too hard for a new player to compete.
You only need to max out a small portion (Winmatar, lulz) for 10 mil SP or so to make it "too hard" for a new player to compete. That titan lvl5 you add don't hurt noobies. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:35:00 -
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-1
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:45:00 -
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Aesiron wrote:Obsidiana wrote:-1
Buying SP, in any form, is against the principles of Eve.
I understand the frustration of having to wait so long to put so many skills to 5. ItGÇÖs tough to have to wait to fly the ships you want. We've all been there. Eventually you get to the point where it isnGÇÖt as big of a deal.
What you can do it buy some PLEX, sell it for some +5 implants, and get a jump clone to keep them in. Remap as needed. That is the closest you can get to buying SP in Eve.
Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1? It is really dumb and just shows that you are trolling.
An imaginary number is one whose square is a real number less than zero. e.g. i, where i^2 = -1, so for it to be imaginary it would need to be the square root of -1.
I don't think it's dumb, or trolling, just a simplified way of showing relevant support to a thread, unlike your comment. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.11.27 06:42:00 -
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Aesiron wrote:Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1? It is really dumb and just shows that you are trolling. Trolls don't take the time to empathize, encourage, or suggest alternatives methods to the same goal.
As for "-1", I see it all over the forums... including this thread. I agree with the vote-like convention.
Grumpy Owly wrote:An imaginary number is one whose square is a real number less than zero. e.g. i, where i^2 = -1, so for it to be imaginary it would need to be the square root of -1.
I don't think it's dumb, or trolling, just a simplified way of showing relevant support to a thread, unlike your comment.
And this is also from a person who was accusing someone else of trolling and not adding substance in another thread recently. I was about to write that. Then I saw your post. Heh... very true.
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Keeley HaZZeLL
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.27 10:19:00 -
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but it same thing if you buy a pg and use them.
pro: - more value of industrial pg - more plex sell (for transfert account and more incoming for ccp) - more name avability
i don't think so somebody use a titan pg and "refinery" him sp ( you don't consider the value in ISK of skills) |
Aesiron
Squadron 1
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 12:38:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Aesiron wrote:Obsidiana wrote:-1
Buying SP, in any form, is against the principles of Eve.
I understand the frustration of having to wait so long to put so many skills to 5. ItGÇÖs tough to have to wait to fly the ships you want. We've all been there. Eventually you get to the point where it isnGÇÖt as big of a deal.
What you can do it buy some PLEX, sell it for some +5 implants, and get a jump clone to keep them in. Remap as needed. That is the closest you can get to buying SP in Eve.
Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1? It is really dumb and just shows that you are trolling. An imaginary number is one whose square is a real number less than zero. e.g. i, where i^2 = -1, so for it to be imaginary it would need to be the square root of -1. I don't think it's dumb, or trolling, just a simplified way of showing relevant support to a thread, unlike your comment. And this is also from a person who was accusing someone else of trolling and not adding substance in another thread recently.
I don't want some ****** up equation, just tell me why the imaginary -1 makes sense.
And also link me where I accused someone of trolling. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:03:00 -
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Aesiron wrote:I don't want some ****** up equation, just tell me why the imaginary -1 makes sense.
And also link me where I accused someone of trolling.
Have explained why it makes sense. And as a result why calling it "imaginery" is your poor definition of things. Either from a mathematical point of view or from a sensibilities point of view. It's very "real" to me, and I have no problem interpreting its meaning. Something your incapable of doing even after explanation.
also Cloak fuel thread:
Aesiron wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Oh... this thread again.
Not Supported. How about you post something decent for once instead of trolling?
Interestingly only yesterday morning, what an accomplished memory.
You accuse someone of not posting "decently", yet hypocritically doing exactly the same in this thread, offering no substance to the topic, just trolling someones responce, irrespsective of the fact thats how they might want to respond. Who made you forum protocol monitor all of a sudden? And seriously the number "-1" is so offensive, get real.
(Methinks this will be a waste of effort somehow) |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
27
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:12:00 -
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From education choice thread:
Aesiron wrote:I support your ideas, but was the imaginary -1 really there to make a point or just because you feel like trolling?
Doing exactly the same thing in another thread. Didn't respond to it originally as it didn't justify one. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
122
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Posted - 2011.11.27 14:28:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote: Counterproposal: biomass yourself.
DAMMIT! I knew I was forgetting something in my post!
+1 to Abdiel
edit to fix the quotes |
Pelador Rova
Blackstar Privateer Consortium
48
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Posted - 2011.11.27 15:32:00 -
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-2, I doubled it.
Could have used a larger multiplier but its just to emphasise how quickly new players could attempt to catch up also or "pay to titan" potentially.
And I'm saying this even though I could benefit, certainly CCP would like it, maybe I'm doing this all wrong?
Easier just to be able to purchase SP for plex? Even though thats a no no. |
Keeley HaZZeLL
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.27 15:55:00 -
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Pelador Rova wrote:
Easier just to be able to purchase SP for plex? Even though thats a no no.
I think is better this way, because reduce number of pg (more name available) and add value of industrial pg.
the question is: you can buy a pg X for use Bhaalgonor or you can skilling you main for use Bhaalgonor
tell me the different? if you have money for buy pg (farming or buy plex from ccp) why not i can transfert sp into new pg for using same ship?
it also possibily to 1 : 0.7 sp portability or another ration if you don't like raport 1:1 and you don't want a lot of pg in selling.
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Aesiron
Squadron 1
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:03:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Aesiron wrote:I don't want some ****** up equation, just tell me why the imaginary -1 makes sense.
And also link me where I accused someone of trolling. Have explained why it makes sense. And as a result why calling it "imaginery" is your poor definition of things. Either from a mathematical point of view or from a sensibilities point of view. It's very "real" to me, and I have no problem interpreting its meaning. Something your incapable of doing even after explanation. also Cloak fuel thread: Aesiron wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Oh... this thread again.
Not Supported. How about you post something decent for once instead of trolling? Interestingly only yesterday morning, what an accomplished memory. You accuse someone of not posting "decently", yet hypocritically doing exactly the same in this thread, offering no substance to the topic, just trolling someones responce, irrespsective of the fact thats how they might want to respond. Who made you forum protocol monitor all of a sudden? And seriously the number "-1" is so offensive, get real. (Methinks this will be a waste of effort somehow)
Dude, I don't want some ****ed up equation about mathematics. When I said the imaginary -1 I mean that it isn't an official forum feature like the +1, how hard is it to work out?
And from your next paragraph I can assume you were making it up to back up your stupid point? |
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:23:00 -
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*double post* |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:24:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:(Methinks this will be a waste of effort somehow)
Aesiron wrote:Dude, I don't want some ****ed up equation about mathematics. When I said the imaginary -1 I mean that it isn't an official forum feature like the +1, how hard is it to work out?
And from your next paragraph I can assume you were making it up to back up your stupid point?
Yep, waste of time.
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Aesiron
Squadron 1
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:47:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:(Methinks this will be a waste of effort somehow) Aesiron wrote:Dude, I don't want some ****ed up equation about mathematics. When I said the imaginary -1 I mean that it isn't an official forum feature like the +1, how hard is it to work out?
And from your next paragraph I can assume you were making it up to back up your stupid point? Yep, waste of time.
So was that post really necessary? |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
24
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:47:00 -
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Agreed. Waste of time. As far as I'm concerned, I got called a troll by a troll.
Btw, -1/+1 convention predates the "Like" button.
Anyway, back on topic:
Keeley HaZZeLL wrote:but it same thing if you buy a pg and use them. There actually is a huge difference. It opens a door to rampant abuse. You could get four accounts, train 4 characters, and in three months you could have a character that was worth a year of training. That is not how Eve works.
Furthermore, think about how many times you can buy a character. Realistically, you can only do it twice. After that, you have to delete someone. Sure you can get better characters later, and a better total effective SP, but there is a limit. What you are purposing takes away that limit. Don't forget about skill over lap; that reduces ability while increasing total account SP.
The moment you can gain SP by some other means than time, you have broken the game. Transferring SP is buying SP.
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Aesiron
Squadron 1
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:17:00 -
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Obsidiana wrote:Agreed. Waste of time. As far as I'm concerned, I got called a troll by a troll. Btw, -1/+1 convention predates the "Like" button. Anyway, back on topic: Keeley HaZZeLL wrote:but it same thing if you buy a pg and use them. There actually is a huge difference. It opens a door to rampant abuse. You could get four accounts, train 4 characters, and in three months you could have a character that was worth a year of training. That is not how Eve works. Furthermore, think about how many times you can buy a character. Realistically, you can only do it twice. After that, you have to delete someone. Sure you can get better characters later, and a better total effective SP, but there is a limit. What you are purposing takes away that limit. Don't forget about skill over lap; that reduces ability while increasing total account SP. The moment you can gain SP by some other means than time, you have broken the game. Transferring SP is buying SP.
So my opinions about the whole imaginary -1 thing being bad are just troll thoughts?
Some time in the future you should brighten up to people's opinions especially in real life. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
124
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:27:00 -
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Aesiron wrote: Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1?
+1 / -1 has been around and used extensively in the Assembly Hall and F&I since forever, pretty much...
seems simple enough ... |
Aesiron
Squadron 1
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:37:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Aesiron wrote: Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1?
+1 / -1 has been around and used extensively in the Assembly Hall and F&I since forever, pretty much... Not really sure what makes that any more or less acceptable than a +1 post...
Because there is really no reason to do it, a detailed post says 100 times more than a -1 which doesn't even function, and why would anyone actually write it: to show their hatred. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
24
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:55:00 -
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Aesiron wrote:So my opinions about the whole imaginary -1 thing being bad are just troll thoughts?
Some time in the future you should brighten up to people's opinions especially in real life. Dude... you called me a troll for using a convesion. Everyone else sees that. I even wrote a thought out post. They serve as an at-a-glance summary; I think they are a good idea. This is completely off topic.
Velicitia wrote:+1 / -1 has been around and used extensively in the Assembly Hall and F&I since forever, pretty much...
Not really sure what makes that any more or less acceptable than a +1 post... Appreciated. I forgot about Assembly Hall. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
205
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:58:00 -
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Aesiron wrote:Velicitia wrote:Aesiron wrote: Yeah his idea kind of sucks, but why the imaginary -1?
+1 / -1 has been around and used extensively in the Assembly Hall and F&I since forever, pretty much... Not really sure what makes that any more or less acceptable than a +1 post... Because there is really no reason to do it, a detailed post says 100 times more than a -1 which doesn't even function, and why would anyone actually write it: to show their hatred.
Nah... we're just too lazy to post a detailed response and/or feel that the idea is so bad that the flaws are self-evident and don't need to be pointed out. Hence, putting "-1" is just easier and makes our opinion known. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1677
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:27:00 -
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As always, a horrid idea that breaks the game in pretty much every way imaginable.
-1, per convention. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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