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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:20:34 -
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CCP Masterplan - We're looking at changing three things before the end of the year. First is the intracorp aggression rules - At the moment all members can now freely aggress each other. We are looking to change this so that being in the same member corp does not give you the right to legally kill your corp mates. The main goal of this is to make recruitment safer for the recruiter and the recruitee.
From page 70something of just released CSM9 mins. They on and on about Awoxing and basically how they hate it and are going to stop it. Only way will be to have clean api, join and wait 3yrs to become director and then loot hanger.....
WHAT??
WHY??
HUH?
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:24:09 -
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There's an official thread for discussion:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382373&find=unread
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:26:09 -
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This thread is specifixally about the end of corp violence and it is for general discussion. Not the devblog comments to be buried and hidden until they take away awoxing forever one day. This is a general discussion on if you should be able to shoot corpmates |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:28:24 -
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Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different?
Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:30:58 -
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They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:32:16 -
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It makes sense. When you join a corp, you become vulnerable. One of those ways is AWOXing.
Removing legal AWOXing really just buffs hisec.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:33:47 -
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Persifonne wrote:They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp. Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec.
Duel your target. War dec your target. Suicide gank your target.
All 3 of those options are known and endorsed. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:35:03 -
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When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:39:55 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Persifonne wrote:They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp. Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec. Duel your target. War dec your target. Suicide gank your target. All 3 of those options are known and endorsed.
Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.
Risk should be removed for all those daring, brave HiSec pilots who run missions and mine.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:43:39 -
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Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.
Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills!
Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:44:08 -
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Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.
Plushies Paradise.. here we come!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:45:50 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.
Plushies Paradise.. here we come!
Man up! Grow a pair! If you want PvP, go to LowSec! P-ssy!
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:48:13 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.
Plushies Paradise.. here we come! Yes, all catalysts come with plushy launchers instead of blasters from now on. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:50:01 -
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CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.
No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.
So remove wardecs!! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:52:17 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different?
Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept.
The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflcit and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it.
Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such? I "grew up" as a player (and learned to survive the game as a pve player) during those times, when EVE resembled a Biker Bar. Now it's starting to feel like a drum circle at UC Berkely where everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels. |
Anthar Peva
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:52:43 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.
Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills! Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish. Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:54:15 -
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Anthar Peva wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.
Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills! Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish. Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing. Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought! |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:09:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
Thereby increasing social interaction and player retention. And that's bad because....?
Jenn aSide wrote: EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflcit and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it.
Yeah, bullshit. Awoxxing isn't about creating conflict, and never has been. Awoxxing was always about the tears.
Jenn aSide wrote: Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such?
Bullshit again. Eve was not a more robust game 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, or 1 year ago. The state of eve, as a game, has only improved since then. Sub numbers don't get released because CCP used a bullsh*t conflated metric of eve+dust players in one "universe" to claim 500k, and now stating any number not above 500k would look embarrassing.
Jenn aSide wrote: everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels.
You're right about this bit. But the estrogen in the room is coming from the would be tear-collectors, moaning about having to lose a catalyst to concord every now and then. Pathetic. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8795
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:25:21 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:*carebear bullshit*
I don't understand why people play a multiplayer video game if they don't like conflict and danger.
I've resisted the urge to invite mission runners I don't know into my corp because of the potential for awoxxing (which is why I only let friends in and don't charge any tax). After this change, I won't have to worry about that, I can set my corp tax to some low percent, invite mission runners to come (enticing them with access to some things like the abilty to go rat/mine in null if they want to sometimes) and sit back and rake in the isk from doing very little. I'd benifit from the change.
It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato), but the rest of us understand that making a sandbox pvp game 'safer' for anyone (except actual true "just subbed" newbies) is bad for the game. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:45:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:*carebear bullshit* It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8795
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:48:59 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:*carebear bullshit* It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good.
I don't know what you do. I don't particularily care. But the fact that you don't understand why this is a bad idea tells me all I need to know.
You are letting your prejudice (against awoxxers) augment your ignorance (since you don't live in high sec as you say, you are ignorant here). By your own admission I'm more at risk fom awoxxing than you are, yet even I can see why CCP constantly adding more and more safety to this game is bad (even when it benefits me personally). |
R0mparkin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:50:22 -
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thats awesome, for a new player like myself. thats the main reason i havent joined corps. everyone says you cant trust anyone. i believe that. but maybe now ill join a corp. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:54:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:*carebear bullshit* It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good. I don't know what you do. I don't particularily care. But the fact that you don't understand why this is a bad idea tells me all I need to know. You are letting your prejudice (against awoxxers) augment your ignorance (since you don't live in high sec as you say, you are ignorant here). By your own admission I'm more at risk fom awoxxing than you are, yet even I can see why CCP constantly adding more and more safety to this game is bad (even when it benefits me personally). Give it a read. I don't often agree with the mittani, but on this he's spot on.
Specifically this bit:
Quote:Once you get out into the wider world, our new players need to join a social group. Except that hisec corporations are skittish about letting 'new players' join because of hisec awoxing: griefers such as my own space-tribe joining a corporation and then murderzoning the membership through a loophole in Concord enforcement - you can join a corp and attack anyone in your own corporation, even in hisec. Here's another sacred cow to slaughter: hisec awoxing is absolutely stupid from a business and retention perspective as it disincentivizes players from reaching out to genuine confused newbies. The dueling mechanic completely removes the 'need' for corp members to shoot one another outside of Concord enforcement. Awoxxers will be (figuratively) thrown under a bus, for the health of eve as a whole. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:54:43 -
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Corp kick que is enough. Wardecs gone next yo. Ccp dont want players stayin in npc corps they said. Bye war |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.10.30 05:03:00 -
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I like the change.
You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game.
I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 05:08:53 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I like the change.
You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game.
I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic.
m
EVERYTHING you said can be applied [even more so] to wars/wardecs... sooo remove wardecs? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.30 05:09:54 -
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On the plus side you might see a lot less "me and my alts" mini-corps. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1750
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Posted - 2014.10.30 05:26:13 -
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Persifonne wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I like the change.
You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game.
I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic.
m EVERYTHING you said can be applied [even more so] to wars/wardecs... sooo remove wardecs?
Nope, I did not say that though I can see how you might infer it.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.10.30 05:59:43 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought! Not every profession in Eve involves multiplayer activity in space, even when people can be working together.
Awoxing, is one profession that seems to be suited more to the activity of a single person. This change will remove a large aspect of the career - kill and ransom the Corp.
I don't think the right approach in Eve is to make things safer for stupid people.
Educate the people not to be stupid in the first place and/or allow them to learn from the consequences of their mistakes.
I hope this direction by CCP is changed.
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Greg Inglis
Storm Planet
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Posted - 2014.10.30 06:17:24 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought! Not every profession in Eve involves multiplayer activity in space, even when people can be working together. Awoxing, is one profession that seems to be suited more to the activity of a single person. This change will remove a large aspect of the career - kill and ransom the Corp. I don't think the right approach in Eve is to make things safer for stupid people. Educate the people not to be stupid in the first place and/or allow them to learn from the consequences of their mistakes. I hope this direction by CCP is changed.
Unfortunately, new players ARE those somewhat "stupid" people, until they learn the hard way. It seems that they will never learn at all after this change.
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