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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.10.30 06:27:47 -
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Greg Inglis wrote:Unfortunately, new players ARE those somewhat "stupid" people, until they learn the hard way. It seems that they will never learn at all after this change.
CEOs also in many cases.
There are a lot of Corps out there that shouldn't exist because the CEO really has no clue how to ensure adequate content for the Corp or how to guide members through wardecs and safaris.
Limiting the awox meta also potentially helps the conman CEO.
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Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:41:50 -
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bullshieeet
awoxing is a legit part of the game and a while ago ccp even used it to advertise the game.
0/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&index=19&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1 for example.
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:42:17 -
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Persifonne wrote:CCP Masterplan - We're looking at changing three things before the end of the year. First is the intracorp aggression rules - At the moment all members can now freely aggress each other. We are looking to change this so that being in the same member corp does not give you the right to legally kill your corp mates. The main goal of this is to make recruitment safer for the recruiter and the recruitee.
From page 70something of just released CSM9 mins. They on and on about Awoxing and basically how they hate it and are going to stop it. Only way will be to have clean api, join and wait 3yrs to become director and then loot hanger.....
WHAT??
WHY??
HUH?
Discuss
Hey brah, lets go test out out fits out! Come to the sun so we can duel real fast! "DC" when in fleet in a mission, fleet up with some gankers for warp-in in a mission. Then warp off once they hit warp to act like you are e-warping.
So, two different methods. A little more effort. Super strenuous. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:44:51 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such?
Bullshit again. Eve was not a more robust game 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, or 1 year ago. The state of eve, as a game, has only improved since then. Sub numbers don't get released because CCP used a bullsh*t conflated metric of eve+dust players in one "universe" to claim 500k, and now stating any number not above 500k would look embarrassing.
You sure about that?
QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year.
After this it becomes guess work as CCP stopped producing the QEN reports.
In March 2011 PC Gamer reported that CCP announced it had over 360,000 subscribers, in October 2011 Nosey Gamer had Eve at appox 355,000.
In May 2012 Nosey Gamer reported that CCP had sent MMOData.net new numbers and that Subs were at 361,000
The steady increase was without Serenity or Dust being used to push the numbers up, it was purely subscriptions for Tranquillity.
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Desimus Maximus
Embargo.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:53:28 -
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Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players. |
Cynadore
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:57:47 -
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This only affects high sec. How about leaving high sec? |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:59:18 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players.
You could look at that way, the problem is those red-headed step children are the people who have made Eve what it is and are keeping it alive.
You make Eve into a theme park and it will die because there are much much better theme park games out there |
Desimus Maximus
Embargo.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 07:59:25 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
You sure about that?
QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year.
Have you ever heard of alts? I bet if you looked at unique IPs those numbers wouldn't quite add up to your thought process. I would bet that with the ridiculous 'the bubble will pop soon (when it was at 550 Million)' PLEX costs have dragged that number of unique accounts down to 100,000. You are using 4 year old numbers and many anti-player activities, events and schemes have occurred.
Hell, in 2010 I could PLEX 4 accounts with logging in once a week for a few hours. Now, you have to run Incursions for the better part of a day and on into the night just to get 1 account PLEXed. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:12:06 -
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Cynadore wrote:This only affects high sec. How about leaving high sec?
That doesn't work, how can you AWOX if you might get shot back ? |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:14:40 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You sure about that?
QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year.
Have you ever heard of alts? I bet if you looked at unique IPs those numbers wouldn't quite add up to your thought process. I would bet that with the ridiculous 'the bubble will pop soon (when it was at 550 Million)' PLEX costs have dragged that number of unique accounts down to 100,000. You are using 4 year old numbers and many anti-player activities, events and schemes have occurred. Hell, in 2010 I could PLEX 4 accounts with logging in once a week for a few hours. Now, you have to run Incursions for the better part of a day and on into the night just to get 1 account PLEXed.
Yes I have heard of alts.. during all those QEN it was stated that the number of alts were 2:1, so 2 accounts per person.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:16:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in.
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Erika Tsurpalen
Guns N'Ore AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:21:43 -
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If you really have to stay in an NPC corp to avoid safaris you deserve to be in an NPC corp. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:25:30 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players. Subscriber numbers grew on the back of Eve being a harsh and dangerous place.
People in Eve don't destroy the fun of anyone. Whether you are having fun or not is totally up to your mindset. If people accepted that no place is safe in Eve, there would be far fewer problems then there are.
Reducing the opportunities for people is not the way to stop 'red-headed step-children', because they don't exist in the first place. Surely it's possible to have a discussion without resorting to insults. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to put an argument forward.
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:28:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I don't understand why people play a multiplayer video game if they don't like conflict and danger.
Its as mutch about the "versus players" part as about the "with players" part. Otherwise we would not need cooperations and alliances.
And this change is supposed to make the "with players" part easier to make the "vs players" part more fun. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:29:08 -
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good change from CCP.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:32:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in.
To do what?
We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective.
This in turn will make it even harder to steal.
So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:37:18 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. To do what? We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective. This in turn will make it even harder to steal. So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine?
We will still be able to steal everything they own. Yes us unsavorary types are getting yet another little nerf but in all honesty this is something that we can do without if it means small corps will now take on newer pilots. We can get them in other ways
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:41:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.
Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. To do what? We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective. This in turn will make it even harder to steal. So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine? We will still be able to steal everything they own. Yes us unsavorary types are getting yet another little nerf but in all honesty this is something that we can do without if it means small corps will now take on newer pilots. We can get them in other ways
How will you be able to steal everything they own?
The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare.
When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything. |
Satan's Son
Satan's Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:45:16 -
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Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
I'm guessing you can still shoot when in fleet? |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:55:23 -
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All this means is that more corp thefts will happen rather than corp awoxs and the time to theft will be measured in weeks rather than minutes. |
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Nalha Saldana
Shattered Void Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:55:39 -
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Everyone should work under the same rules, oddities in them like this shouldnt exist. |
Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
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Posted - 2014.10.30 08:57:49 -
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Judging by your 3 threads it seems you are vexed by CCP removing easy-kill mode. Why not try learning to fly and fight properly instead of wanting to go after corp-mates and ratters? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:00:34 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
How will you be able to steal everything they own?
The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare.
When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything.
We steal from people who do know how the corp management mechanics work, the vast bulk of the big scores are done on these people. CCP might be able to make the management system easier to understand but they cannot fix people.
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Satan's Son
Satan's Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:01:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
How will you be able to steal everything they own?
The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare.
When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything.
We steal from people who do know how the corp management mechanics work, the vast bulk of the big scores are done on these people. CCP might be able to make the management system easier to understand but they cannot fix people.
this, ... nothing wrong with corp management. Have a Brain, and deal with your level of trust you're willing to give out. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:02:01 -
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Anyone who thinks Awoxing is something that should be a part of EVE is what's wrong with this game. Honestly.
People join a corp to group together. It makes absolutely no sense for CONCORD to go 'congratulations, you are now in a player owned corporation! We will kill anyone who harms you without authorisation, except your corp mates.'
It's a stupid relic from the dark ages of EVE and it's good that it's going away. You want PVP? You work for it. Even ganking involved more effort than joining a corp, shooting everything and never docking
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:02:23 -
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Super spikinator wrote:All this means is that more corp thefts will happen rather than corp awoxs and the time to theft will be measured in weeks rather than minutes.
Meausre PLEX price (to keep toon active)---- apprpaching ONE BILLION (and think inflation 4 longterm awox) DIVIDE BY Loot stolen
Soon to make a awox EVEN HAPPEn were gonna have to join corp for like 10months to get director roles That means need to loot over TEN BILLION (10, 000, 000, 000.00) ISK for theft tk be profotable than just mining |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:03:22 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:Judging by your 3 threads it seems you are vexed by CCP removing easy-kill mode. Why not try learning to fly and fight properly instead of wanting to go after corp-mates and ratters?
Cuz ECM IS OP and no fair fights anyeays |
Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:06:51 -
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The thread title and the thought that this ends awoxing does not make a lot of sense.
a) It does not change anything in regards to awoxing in 0.0, LS or WH space.
b) There are still ways to trick people from your corp into fights in high sec. With that change it will become a little bit harder to awox ppl in high sec, but it does not completly prevent it.
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Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:46:20 -
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Not surprised to see it go and here is why: It serves no positive purpose or function and it has severe negative consequences. Getting rid of it has huge benefits and only inconveniences a minuscule minority of players. It's a no-brainer change, if your main concern is the overall health of the game.
The main potential positive would be testing, but test fights can easily be done through dueling or stealing, so no major change there. The main and pretty much only use of the mechanic at the moment is griefing. It's not rule breaking griefplay, but it is still very damaging to the game. Not because a few highsec carebears got their feelings hurt, but because it heavily undermines the willingness of recruiters and the players to get together in the first place. That joining of forces is the lifeblood of any MMO and stepping on the toes of a few players skirting with the rules is a minute price to pay to make that joining a much easier task to achieve. It will be good for many corps. It will be good for new players who will find a much easier time to find people to fly with without subjecting themselves to giving a blood sample and receiving deep anal probing, before they'll even be considered as a potential candidate. It will also be good for CCP, since social connections and positive player interaction is the key to retaining players in the long term.
I suppose you could claim giving surprise buttsex to clueless new players is somehow good for them and the game. That it will somehow grow character, weed out the unwanted or teach them some lesson, but there is no shortage of that type of experiences in EVE and in this area the price paid for the privilege of freely shooting corp mates is in no way proportional to the massive negatives. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.10.30 09:58:53 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Anyone who thinks Awoxing is something that should be a part of EVE is what's wrong with this game. Honestly. People join a corp to group together. It makes absolutely no sense for CONCORD to go 'congratulations, you are now in a player owned corporation! We will kill anyone who harms you without authorisation, except your corp mates.' It's a stupid relic from the dark ages of EVE and it's good that it's going away. You want PVP? You work for it. Even ganking involved more effort than joining a corp, shooting everything and never docking
Considering axowing has been in the game since day 1 how has Eve survived so long with it in? |
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