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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:26:31 -
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Looking through the new CSM minutes on p.78, at http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf
There seems to be a strong suggestion that you will soon no longer be able to "legally" shoot corpmates, and the implication seems to be that shooting corpmates will be a criminal act in highsec that will be met with CONCORD retribution.
I guess this is the natural mechanic fix now that dueling is an option.
I would tend to support this change, but not being very involved in the corporation scene, wanted to see how others felt about the idea. Would ending the ability to shoot corpmates help or harm the game, in your view? |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:29:00 -
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THIS WILL DESTORY EVE.. AS WE KNOW IT. Terrible |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:30:53 -
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Yay another buff to HiSec!!!!
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:31:35 -
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If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:33:43 -
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When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:35:22 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew.
Why, because you say so?
Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:35:55 -
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Grow a pair and shoot whoever you want to shoot.
Suicide gank them. War dec them. Duel them. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:36:33 -
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Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point.
No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs.
In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:36:44 -
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Xuixien wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew. Why, because you say so? Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec. Don't need to debate anyone, the issue's already resolved as per the minutes. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
206
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:37:16 -
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Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game? |
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:37:20 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Grow a pair
And here we have a case of takes internet gaming too seriously.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:38:07 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Xuixien wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew. Why, because you say so? Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec. Don't need to debate anyone, the issue's already resolved as per the minutes.
Well it's good to know you can just appeal to authority instead of defending the views you present. Other people did the work for you.
They...
...held your hand.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:39:15 -
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Xuixien wrote:Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. Cool, adapt or leave. If you leave, send your stuff my way please. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:42:20 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Xuixien wrote:Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. Cool, adapt or leave. If you leave, send your stuff my way please.
Yes, just mindlessly parrot lines we saw other people post on the forums. Again, letting other people do the work for you again I see.
Since you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion and just want to hide behind CCP's skirt (which is ironic because you said "grow a pair") I'm just going to hide your posts. Bye bye.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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Anthar Peva
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:45:20 -
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Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. Well, once this change is in, it is that day, is it not? Although you forgot kill rights. Once that change is in, awoxing will now be pure thievery. (and S.E. to get them to duel you, but that's terrible)
Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game? How does running missions for no reason other than getting isk to upgrade your missions ship benefit the game? (not referring to all mission runners, but a lot do this afaik) |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:46:36 -
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Xuixien wrote:(which is ironic because you said "grow a pair") I'm just going to hide your posts. Bye bye. Irony at it's finest. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:47:30 -
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Anthar Peva wrote:Persifonne wrote:When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. Well, once this change is in, it is that day, is it not? Although you forgot kill rights. Once that change is in, awoxing will now be pure thievery. (and S.E. to get them to duel you, but that's terrible) Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game? How does running missions for no reason other than getting isk to upgrade your missions ship benefit the game? (not referring to all mission runners, but a lot do this afaik)
Less ships blowing up = good for the EVE economy, I hear.
Gotta get those carebear subs!
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:48:12 -
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CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.
No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.
So remove wardecs!! |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:51:14 -
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Persifonne wrote:CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.
No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.
So remove wardecs!!
lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris.
Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools).
CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year."
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:52:41 -
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Xuixien wrote:Persifonne wrote:CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.
No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.
So remove wardecs!! lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris. Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools). CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year."
Read the mins. Ccp is saying thats why people stay in npc corps. Its wardecs so ccp gonna nerf that again? |
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1874
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:53:49 -
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Persifonne wrote:Xuixien wrote:Persifonne wrote:CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.
No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.
So remove wardecs!! lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris. Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools). CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year." Read the mins. Ccp is saying thats why people stay in npc corps. Its wardecs so ccp gonna nerf that again?
I know and I'm laughing at how woefully wrong CCP is.
[u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
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ll Kuray ll
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:56:41 -
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Awoxing and ganking are two things that should be tackled at the same time. Recruiting is a pain in the ass and if you want to build something from scratch finding people to go along with you and not stab you in the back is tough and no sophisticated API checking system will unveil that.
Ganking for me is becoming an ever increasing issue, and good luck to anyone who tries to find a balance between the needs of those that:
Pay with real money and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world [IMPORTANT!] Pay with real money and want to be in the "dark world [IMPORTANT! Make enough in game ISK to sub their accounts and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world Make enough in game ISK to sub their accounts and want to be in the 'dark' world
I think you take on a different perspective if you pay with real money to play the game. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8794
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:02:41 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game?
Ships blowing up always benifit the game. People produce ships, if ships didn't explode nothing any of us do in EVE would worth anything.
Awoxxing (like all such interactions) teaches players to be aware, to be concerned about who they trust. This is good because being able to trust everyone simply because you're in high sec and in the same corp is boring. Their is this tendency among some to wish for peace and comfort only to find that those things get boring after a while. It's conflict and danger that is interesting. This is why people leave EVE for 'safer' games only to come back when they realise that games without risk and danger is about as fun as riding a roller coaster that doesn't exceed 5 miles per hour.
This is why every epic, every good movie, every good book, every good game is about conflict. It's why real life news media types live by the rule of "if it bleeds it leads". These moves to make EVE safer are actually moves to make EVE a worse game. |
Doc J
Assisted Homicide
9
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:07:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game? Ships blowing up always benifit the game. People produce ships, if ships didn't explode nothing any of us do in EVE would worth anything. Awoxxing (like all such interactions) teaches players to be aware, to be concerned about who they trust. This is good because being able to trust everyone simply because you're in high sec and in the same corp is boring. Their is this tendency among some to wish for peace and comfort only to find that those things get boring after a while. It's conflict and danger that is interesting. This is why people leave EVE for 'safer' games only to come back when they realise that games without risk and danger is about as fun as riding a roller coaster that doesn't exceed 5 miles per hour. This is why every epic, every good movie, every good book, every good game is about conflict. It's why real life news media types live by the rule of "if it bleeds it leads". These moves to make EVE safer are actually moves to make EVE a worse game.
People have the right to play the game in the safe manner they wish or in the conflict/dangerous way. You shouldn't be wanting to impose your belief of "conflict makes the game interesting" on people who say for instance-pay to play the game the way they wish which might actually be in the comfort zone. |
Doc J
Assisted Homicide
9
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:08:58 -
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ll Kuray ll wrote:Awoxing and ganking are two things that should be tackled at the same time. Recruiting is a pain in the ass and if you want to build something from scratch finding people to go along with you and not stab you in the back is tough and no sophisticated API checking system will unveil that. Ganking for me is becoming an ever increasing issue, and good luck to anyone who tries to find a balance between the needs of those that: Pay with real money and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world [IMPORTANT!] Pay with real money and want to be in the "dark world [IMPORTANT! Make enough in game ISK to sub their accounts and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world Make enough in game ISK to sub their accounts and want to be in the 'dark' world I think you take on a different perspective if you pay with real money to play the game.
Couldn't agree more with this. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:13:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Ships blowing up always benifit the game. People produce ships, if ships didn't explode nothing any of us do in EVE would worth anything.
And now the awoxxers have to lose a catalyst to concord once in a while. The sky is surely falling!
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5802
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:15:52 -
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Doc J wrote:...the comfort zone.
The appeal of EVE to many of us was that there was supposed to be no comfort zone. Anyone that's looking for a comfort zone is playing the wrong game. Looking for comfort zones in EVE is like getting in a plane but never taking off. Unfortunately, it seems that won't be the case for much longer. It looks like a day is coming where EVE will only be EVE by name, but the game it is/was will no longer exist.
EVE was originally created by people who didn't like the PVP restrictions in Ultima Online. Now they're going in a completely opposite direction, and handing it over to the same kinds of people who ruing Ultima.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:17:00 -
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Point is slippery slope we been going down. Wardecs are next. Once people still stay in npc corps after this change ccp will see its cuz wardecs and supanerf em. Heard here 1st |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1615
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:19:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Grow a pair and shoot whoever you want to shoot.
Suicide gank them. War dec them. Duel them. wardec has not, will not, and cannot be made viable without CCP punishing "those poor carebears" theyre protecting with changes like this to start with, because anyone who doesnt want a wardec, simply drops corp, simple as that. and no one that has something you want will agree to duel you in what you want them to duel you with, youll only get duels if they have a cheap ship, pr a ship they KNOW cant lose to what you have, leaving the only way to take something from another player to be ganking, but with the way highsec works, most ships arent gankable with less than their value (especially battleships) in ganknados or catalysts, and the only way to hold somebody is by bumping (which is a **** mechanic).
in short, all this does is buff the mission runners who dont want to EVER be exposed to the dangerous side of EVE, ever, and instead do nothing but inject ISK into the economy day in and day out devaluing all the work of every other player.
either way, tried the elite dangerous beta, it was fun, the lack of a player centric market bothers me, huge turnoff, but if EVE keeps making these "improvements", i might just suck it up and move over, if im gonna be in a game that caters to carebears and risk-averse kiddies, id at least like the devs to man up and straight with it from the beginning.
EVE hasnt been a "cold harsh universe" for the last 3 years. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2411
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:21:44 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Doc J wrote:...the comfort zone. The appeal of EVE to many of us was that there was supposed to be no comfort zone. Anyone that's looking for a comfort zone is playing the wrong game. Looking for comfort zones in EVE is like getting in a plane but never taking off. Unfortunately, it seems that won't be the case for much longer. It looks like a day is coming where EVE will only be EVE by name, but the game it is/was will no longer exist. EVE was originally created by people who didn't like the PVP restrictions in Ultima Online. Now they're going in a completely opposite direction, and handing it over to the same kinds of people who ruing Ultima. Was awoxxing possible in ultima? |
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