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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2014.11.01 12:20:07 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:AWOXing has been with EVE for just about forever and it's one of those things that has made EVE both famous and infamous over the years. How many of us here would never have joined the game if not for having heard the story of Guiding Hand Social Club?
I have absolutely no idea, but then, neither do you.
This is not a signature.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2981
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Posted - 2014.11.01 13:36:50 -
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I've explained all of the stuff you are whining about to you before and pretty much refuted it all before too so I'm not going to spend the :effort: on some whiny constipated babby.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Improve the forums, support this idea:
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21381
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:09:41 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:o.0 Pretty sure those words were english. Not exactly sure what that word soup was supposed to mean, however. Blind-folded dartboard guesses... 1) go to low/null if you want pvp, because you are bad person if you do. 2) THINK OF THE CHILDREN! 3) I got nothing here. I get the vague sense that it's an anti-awox poast, but it keeps ganking my brain each reread. The words were English, the content was gibberish.
Aqriue wrote:Highsec doesn't make that much isk since its been nerfed I lol'd. I'd love to see an explanation from you, preferably one written by a human being and not a random text generator, about how highsec has been nerfed in terms of income.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2951
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:18:50 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:I have shot corp members, and also been shot. We have used the mechanic as a training tool for sparring and testing fittings and game mechanics. I also like the current mechanic as a rule-enforcer (we have a no afk policy) and will destroy anyone not responding in space. This was our founders policy and it will always be so. DO NOT TAKE THIS MECHANIC AWAY!I would STRONGLY urge a modified approach to the current mechanic: Why not leave the choice up to a corp? The politics voting mechanic is good as it allows a vote. There is a waiting period, and notifications sent out to all corp members if/when the status changes. No surprises. You could see what a corp's status is before joining, and (as a recruit) could make that informed decision. I think this would be an acceptable change for most (except those die-hard awoxers, but you will still have the opportunity to sway a corp into voting this change in). It also allows the 'scamming' type to continue, by setting their corp status to allow corp-killing, while advertising that they are not... It is Eve, after all ~K~ Interesting notion. I kind of like it actually, as it makes sense in putting the choice in the hands of the individual corps rather than spraying more orange safety foam all over high sec. I know! I know! Allow corps to declare war on themselves. As it's a mutual war, it's free.
Edit: BTW, as far a protecting new players goes, this rule change does nothing, due to the war mechanics. If you goal is to blow up new players, you make 2 corps, do a mutual war, invite in noobs and have the other corp right there to pop them.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:26:40 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... Posts like yours show that people who do not understand what this is about are quite a large and noisy collective. They also can't see beyond their selective awareness and don't care about anything except their own fake and shallow standards.
I bet you have absolutely NO experience in the whole matter at all and just talk from hearsay. I bet you haven't been into at least five of these "new player friendly" corps who are more harming than anything.
You do not do PvP. I know this from you. Yet, instead of accepting that you lack any actual knowledge or experience about what's going on, you think you can make such a statement that only shows that you have absolutely *no* insight on the matter or what this is actually about.
You just parrot the same crap all the other clueless haters parrot, who do not have any actual insight into what's happening.
YOUR ATTITUDE is one big reason why people love to shoot into your pretty face.
People like you need to be purged from the game. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2951
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:27:55 -
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Syllviaa wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Thing is it does so by removing a stupid loophole. Can one of the opposition explain to me WHY it makes sense that I can shoot a guy in my corp but not a stranger? Why concord will react to one incident and not the other?
With dual mechanics we now have ways to 'test a tank' ignoring completely sisi server for the moment. So why did the awox mechanic make sense to you? I understand it made Eve 'dangerous' and allowed a certain type of gameplay but at the bottom of it . . . is there a logic to that rule? If a guy steals a bunch of corporate stuff & is currently flying it in a freighter to the neatest trade hub, why shouldn't you be allowed to kill him & not have concord intervene? What if he was less than brain dead and dropped corp before getting into that freighter? Most corp thieves drop right away. Then free corp shooting will be useless.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:35:32 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Most corp thieves drop right away. Proof?
Besides, you make no sense.
.) There is no reason to quit, just because the theft is done. He can as well keep trying to shoot them too
.) There is no need to quit at all, when intra-corp aggression is gone. That'll happen latest at the next downtime anyway. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2951
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Posted - 2014.11.01 14:46:02 -
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Sol Project wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Most corp thieves drop right away. Proof? Besides, you make no sense. .) There is no reason to quit, just because the theft is done. He can as well keep trying to shoot them too .) There is no need to quit at all, when intra-corp aggression is gone. That'll happen latest at the next downtime anyway. Only personal experience. Ive been in corps that have had thieves. They all dropped right away. Even if, as a thief, I wanted to stay and cause trouble, I would not get in a freighter. That would be silly.
We have two cases;
Current rules: Thief drops corp before hauling, and you cannot freely shoot him. Proposed rules: Thief may or may not drop, but either way you cannot freely shoot him.
End result in both cases: You cannot freely shoot him.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21382
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Posted - 2014.11.01 15:03:05 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers.
Kindly keep your misinformed generalisation of "preying on noobs" to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post.
On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:31:14 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers. Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post. On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.
43 pages and you still argue over something that was never said.
At the end of the day it looks like this social experiment is coming to an end. CCP has reached the point where attracting the low hanging pvp crowd is detrimental to the game and there isn't enough new players coming in to mitigate the ones this playstyle drives away willingly...and is happy about it. I can comment on stuff that was never said as well.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21384
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:33:08 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers. Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post. On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them. 43 pages and you still argue over something that was never said. At the end of the day it looks like this social experiment is coming to an end. CCP has reached the point where attracting the low hanging pvp crowd is detrimental to the game and there isn't enough new players coming in to mitigate the ones this playstyle drives away willingly...and is happy about it. I can comment on stuff that was never said as well. Please point out in the post you've quoted where I'm arguing about something that was not said.
At this stage I'm writing you off as a clueless troll who has trouble with reading.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1228
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:37:50 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension. At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6336
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:43:49 -
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Some Rando wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension. At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired. nope, its just giving screwy readings because hes bashing his head against it, i recommend shooting someone in the face to remedy the situation, preferably someone blissfully unaware.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21387
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:46:28 -
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Some Rando wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension. At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired. lol I have a nasty habit of giving people a chance to prove that they're not trolls, until they categorically prove otherwise, he just proved that he is.
*puts his troll detector in for calibration, it appears to be out of whack.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:i recommend shooting someone in the face to remedy the situation, preferably someone blissfully unaware. I will be doing exactly that, just waiting for my shipment of ships and modules of fuckery to be delivered from Jita. My alt will be starting the "carebear to killer" training course as soon as it turns up
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8879
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:49:59 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers. Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post. On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.
People like that need to believe that everyone opposed to what they are saying are in the same 'camp' because it allows them to mentally dismiss the arguments against their position. It's basically intellectual cowardice.
The real truth is that there are many of us who believe that CCPs naive gradual erosion of the spirt and flavor of EVE is a bad thing that will lead to worse outcomes than just leaving things alone. The people who aleady don't like EVE (notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums) will never understand this till it's way too late. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21387
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:55:52 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums TBH I hope that Star Citizen isn't just vapourware. The sooner it comes out of beta the sooner we can get shot of people like that, they're closed-minded and poisonous.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8880
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:59:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:
At the end of the day it looks like this social experiment is coming to an end. CCP has reached the point where attracting the low hanging pvp crowd is detrimental to the game and there isn't enough new players coming in to mitigate the ones this playstyle drives away willingly...and is happy about it. I can comment on stuff that was never said as well.
This post is the most important one in the thread, as it demonstrates the underlying motivation of some (of course not all) who think this is a good idea.
They never liked what EVE was in the 1st place. They like the space ships, or the futuristic setting or something. But they don't like the sandbox, they don't like tha tother people are free to do as they choose, they don't like that thier are consequences for thier choices (enforced by other people, as in real life). Basically, a game like EVE reminds such people of real life, and they don't play games to be reminded of real life, they play to escape (which us why it's odd they don't choose a themepark feel good game).
That's why the new space games can' come fast enough, my (probably unrealistic) hope was that these hater types could find a game they actually like and stop crapping up EVE with thier, well, crap. But deep down I know that will never happen. The insidious nature of carebearism means that NO game about freedom and responsibilty can exist, even if no one is forced to play it and their are dozens of carebearist alternative.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:59:51 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums TBH I hope that Star Citizen isn't just vapourware. The sooner it comes out of beta the sooner we can get shot of people like that, they're closed-minded and poisonous.
Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1230
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:04:57 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Good thing then that targeting new players gets you banned.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:11:31 -
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Some Rando wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Good thing then that targeting new players gets you banned.
Not if you join a corp with them and do it.
This whole thread is about the players who choose to target new players. If they chose to go after vets as well then this wouldn't have been brought up.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21389
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:13:23 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums TBH I hope that Star Citizen isn't just vapourware. The sooner it comes out of beta the sooner we can get shot of people like that, they're closed-minded and poisonous. Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Now who's posting about something that hasn't been said?
Nobody is denying that newbies are essential for Eve, and nobody has said that specifically targeting newbies is beneficial for the game.
What is beneficial to the game is newbies realising that Eve is a dog eat dog world, and not some namby-pamby fluffy la-la land like a lot of others. Sometimes it's necessary to show them that at the end of a gun, especially if their corp leadership are imbeciles.
A genuine newbie will often get help and isk from the person who killed them if they ask "how, why and what can I do to stop it happening again".
Now begone troll, get back under your bridge, I'll send you a couple of goats later.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1233
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:18:09 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Not if you join a corp with them and do it. Good thing then that I can't join an NPC corp and freely shoot new players.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6340
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:24:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
A genuine newbie will often get help and isk from the person who killed them if they ask "how, why and what can I do to stop it happening again".
id say about 1/3 will respond like this, 1/3 will be receptive if you contact them afterwards and the rest will ither block you, tell you to **** off and/or sperg vitriolic obscenity all over local or your mail/chat box
now that is assuming you are not a bellend about it and do not belittle them or act condisending.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Thanatos Marathon
Phoibe Enterprises
341
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:27:15 -
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Is AWOXing needed to keep EVE a gritty, harsh, devastating game in Hisec? I tend to think not and that Suicide Ganking, bumping, corp theft, and war decs can probably do the job just fine.
I could be wrong, and perhaps removing the mechanic will lead to no improved player retention and EVE will become social club online where nothing gets blown up in highsec, but I doubt it.
In addition to the AWOXing mechanics they should probably turn off dueling by default or block it in newb zones. Something to When I tried to get my wife to try out eve she got duel spammed in a newb system and didn't even know what it was or that it was a reportable offence. |
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
43
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:35:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: This post is the most important one in the thread, as it demonstrates the underlying motivation of some (of course not all) who think this is a good idea.
They never liked what EVE was in the 1st place. They like the space ships, or the futuristic setting or something. But they don't like the sandbox, they don't like tha tother people are free to do as they choose, they don't like that thier are consequences for thier choices (enforced by other people, as in real life). Basically, a game like EVE reminds such people of real life, and they don't play games to be reminded of real life, they play to escape (which us why it's odd they don't choose a themepark feel good game).
That's why the new space games can' come fast enough, my (probably unrealistic) hope was that these hater types could find a game they actually like and stop crapping up EVE with thier, well, crap. But deep down I know that will never happen. The insidious nature of carebearism means that NO game about freedom and responsibilty can exist, even if no one is forced to play it and their are dozens of carebearist alternative.
Without joking, in the Elite Dangerous forums, some people began to whine against the ebil pvpers because the beta 3 included npc and player interceptions. They just forgot that the NPCs are the ones that intercept the most in ED Different game, same victims. They certainly couldn't fit in our old computing time when most of the games just spanked our asses without even saying thanks |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
181
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:35:28 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Some Rando wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Good thing then that targeting new players gets you banned. Not if you join a corp with them and do it. This whole thread is about the players who choose to target new players. If they chose to go after vets as well then this wouldn't have been brought up.
My old corp got awoxed the day after I left. The only ship that died was an Orca belonging to guy who has been playing for about five years. At the time, I had been playing for about three months. I loaded up a t1 logi cruiser and repped some former corp mates when they lured him into running some missions with them and killed him.
It's a shame people pick on new players, right?
For the record, I hate the idea of removing the ability to shoot corp mates specifically because that story would have never happened if awoxing didn't exist. That story is why I bought my second subscription. |
Anslo
Scope Works
20523
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:42:44 -
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Sol Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective... Posts like yours show that people who do not understand what this is about are quite a large and noisy collective. They also can't see beyond their selective awareness and don't care about anything except their own fake and shallow standards. I bet you have absolutely NO experience in the whole matter at all and just talk from hearsay. I bet you haven't been into at least five of these "new player friendly" corps who are more harming than anything. You do not do PvP. I know this from you. Yet, instead of accepting that you lack any actual knowledge or experience about what's going on, you think you can make such a statement that only shows that you have absolutely *no* insight on the matter or what this is actually about. You just parrot the same crap all the other clueless haters parrot, who do not have any actual insight into what's happening. YOUR ATTITUDE is one big reason why people love to shoot into your pretty face. I thought you were going to quit eve, not soap box more.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:43:50 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums TBH I hope that Star Citizen isn't just vapourware. The sooner it comes out of beta the sooner we can get shot of people like that, they're closed-minded and poisonous. Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Now who's posting about something that hasn't been said? Nobody is denying that newbies are essential for Eve, and nobody has said that specifically targeting newbies is beneficial for the game. What is beneficial to the game is newbies realising that Eve is a dog eat dog game, and not some namby-pamby fluffy la-la land like a lot of others. Sometimes it's necessary to show them that at the end of a gun, especially if their corp leadership are imbeciles. A genuine newbie will often get help and isk from the person who killed them if they ask "how, why and what can I do to stop it happening again", newbies like that are priceless and will often stick around for years. Quote:This whole thread is about the players who choose to target new players. If they chose to go after vets as well then this wouldn't have been brought up. Bollocks, if you knew anything at all you'd know that awoxers will go after anybody who is naive or dumb enough to recruit them, which aren't traits that are exclusive to newbies. You've been playing nearly a year according to your profile, and living proof of that. Now begone troll, get back under your bridge, I'll send you a couple of goats later. I'm still waiting for you to respond to "Please point out in the post you've quoted where I'm arguing about something that was not said" BTW. I doubt you ever will because your statement was false, and you know it.
The mechanic being discussed has been in the game for how long now......there has been lots of time to try it as you suggest.
The fact that they are discussing making a change only shows that your way isn't working.
As a genuine noobie...I never received a thing...your play experience doesn't apply to everyone in game. But I am sure you will say it was my fault that I didn't have the game experience you talked about.
And that pretty much tells me that you see it through your experience only, so it must be that way for everyone.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:46:29 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Some Rando wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Only close minded people I see are the ones who think targeting the new players is beneficial for the game. Good thing then that targeting new players gets you banned. Not if you join a corp with them and do it. This whole thread is about the players who choose to target new players. If they chose to go after vets as well then this wouldn't have been brought up. My old corp got awoxed the day after I left. The only ship that died was an Orca belonging to guy who has been playing for about five years. At the time, I had been playing for about three months. I loaded up a t1 logi cruiser and repped some former corp mates when they lured him into running some missions with them and killed him. It's a shame people pick on new players, right? For the record, I hate the idea of removing the ability to shoot corp mates specifically because that story would have never happened if awoxing didn't exist. That story is why I bought my second subscription.
Nothing is being removed. The only change discussed was having Concord show up. Someone else who didn't read the minutes spreading misinformation. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21390
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Posted - 2014.11.01 17:58:24 -
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Syn Shi wrote:The mechanic being discussed has been in the game for how long now......there has been lots of time to try it as you suggest.
The fact that they are discussing making a change only shows that your way isn't working. Which part of I am primarily a highsec PvE player did you not understand, I've never awoxed anybody, and I'm unlikely to.
Quote:As a genuine noobie...I never received a thing...your play experience doesn't apply to everyone in game. Correct, and that swings both ways.
Quote:But I am sure you will say it was my fault that I didn't have the game experience you talked about. What game experience did you have? Or are you talking crap again?
Quote:And that pretty much tells me that you see it through your experience only, so it must be that way for everyone.
Pot meet kettle
Still waiting.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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