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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:27:18 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote: +1 for this idea. It's sensible.
We already know what you think of your own idea, Aqriue.[/quote] Weird how silly and stupid some people are, I am not trying to promote my idea except for every time some complaint about a pod/clone cost comes up. That's someone else, haven't visited the thread in like 4 days.
As always, risk what you can fly and that pod included. Thread keeps going, means lots of terrible players who keep dying and not shooting red crosses and/or other ways to make isk like playing the market (hint: EVE isn't a FPS, respawn aka Planet Side and keep going....you do have to do other things). Don't have to PVP 30 days a month, set some time aside and fund enough to keep you pods updated |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23694
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Posted - 2014.11.04 01:26:27 -
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Aqriue wrote:As always, risk what you can fly and that pod included. that's the very essence of the problem, that the pod is included
it doesn't make sense because an alpha clone character is wayyyy more fun just because you know you can fund ships all day long and die without worrying about getting hit with a 21 million ISK tax
I have -WAY- more fun traveling with my covops cyno character than -anything- else. you don't see the problem with this huge lack of fun with a fully skilled character?
there is literally no fun way to frigate. are you just always bad with your ISK? do you even skill or undock? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, so please tell me how you make it work for you:
-don't undock -don't skill -skill and undock and have spent X amount of ISK on med clones to do it -only undock in ships that are way more expensive than the pod to care -undock but avoid PVP at all costs
do you even play, broski
here's another thing... the presentation at EVE Vegas said the ISK sink was 4% of total ISK sinks. how far do you want to bet now that suicide travel -won't happen- because it doesn't work, the med clone sink will drop to more like 2% or 1%.
and in that case, the sink only affects people who play. so basically, med clones are an undock tax that players in their right mind have no choice but to pay. a robbery at gunpoint.
you want to undock? you should pay us to protect your SP. it would be a shame if something bad happened to it.
this is the litmus test of whether it belongs in the sandbox: another player will never see the transaction for med clones because it goes straight to CCP, and it affects no one else but you. bro, that's a subscription.
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
483
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Posted - 2014.11.04 04:46:01 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I'm still in favour of a monthly subscription for clones so carebears pay the bills while combat pilots can happily die over and over again.
I like this as an idea. A monthly fee for coverage vs per death.
So if you don't die often, you'll find it onerous. If you do PvP a lot *AND* get waxed, it's no big deal beyond replacing implants.
Those who never die then mutter about it while those who do lose ships and die save a lot. They're the ones who actually keep the economy going. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1169
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Posted - 2014.11.04 05:23:49 -
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Cannot see these costs being a huge issue except for regular suicide gankers like CODE people.
if your going to suicide gank your targets are pathetic anyway so do it in a cheap low SP toon. That way you can just underinsure it and work the 5% loss backup in a few days or so anyway. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:36:17 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Cannot see these costs being a huge issue except for regular suicide gankers like CODE people. Do you live under a rock? Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to think that suicide gankers are the ones whose pods are at the most risk?
I think we can safely disregard anything you say on this subject.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23695
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:49:33 -
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the SP subscription fee should be accompanied by an undocking fee.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
398
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:19:56 -
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Can I just get the everything plan with 3 added family members? |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
483
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:33:20 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Cannot see these costs being a huge issue except for regular suicide gankers like CODE people.
if your going to suicide gank your targets are pathetic anyway so do it in a cheap low SP toon. That way you can just underinsure it and work the 5% loss backup in a few days or so anyway.
Back about... 2 years ago, we had a uni that went out to Jita and did nothing but pop and pod gankers. They harvested a HUGE amount of outrage and had mass quotes of ticked off gankers for them getting lossmails and getting podded (they did this in an interceptor).
The point being: Suicide gankers don't get podded. They lose ships to CONCORD.
Such a change would not effect them. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3626
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:04:16 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Pssst.
watch CCP FoxFour's presentation from Eve Vegas. Steve, sir, I am directly opposed to your suggestion that CCP's powerpoint slides are something to trust. Foxfour's exact words from that stream (starts at 7:20) "We're not sure exactly what we're doing, but we do know we want to look at it. We'll probably be looking at it for December, and we'll see what happens. We're interested in knowing what you guys think. If you guys have any strong opinions on this, on what we should do, we'd love to hear from you."This thread has been sarcastic at times but we've also kept it civil for Fozzie, and it's relatively tame by EVE standards. So here's the strong opinions, where's the Dev participation that Fozzie said happens on EVE-O
I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :)
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5513
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:52:59 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Pssst.
watch CCP FoxFour's presentation from Eve Vegas. Steve, sir, I am directly opposed to your suggestion that CCP's powerpoint slides are something to trust. Foxfour's exact words from that stream (starts at 7:20) "We're not sure exactly what we're doing, but we do know we want to look at it. We'll probably be looking at it for December, and we'll see what happens. We're interested in knowing what you guys think. If you guys have any strong opinions on this, on what we should do, we'd love to hear from you."This thread has been sarcastic at times but we've also kept it civil for Fozzie, and it's relatively tame by EVE standards. So here's the strong opinions, where's the Dev participation that Fozzie said happens on EVE-O I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :) Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not?
The Paradox
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:40:25 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not? Man you're just getting everything you want, aren't you?
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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
53
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:19:41 -
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Replacement medical clones should be added to the killmail imo1 |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1364
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:38:45 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :)
By "tomorrow" you means "tomorrow's tomorrow", right?
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3629
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:24:48 -
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Altrue wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :)
By "tomorrow" you means "tomorrow's tomorrow", right?
I'm bad with days. :(
CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @CCP_FoxFour
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:32:58 -
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I don't know about everyone else, but I get a hard-on when I see people incur painful losses.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23700
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:03:50 -
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The next episode of 'o7' will be broadcast on our Twitch channel at 20:00 UTC, Thursday November 6. offline image
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
241
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:23:58 -
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I wouldn't like to see a reduction on clone costs. WRT your argument on the clone costs being more than the ship+fit you're flying, keep in mind that you pay that cost after having your pod go pop, not your ship.
As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink.
Although the isk sink is not the main reason to leave the prices as they are. The main reason, well, depend on CCP. Bounty hunting needs work. With the old system, giving someone a bounty was simply giving them isk. Under the new system, the payout isn't worth it as a primary reason to hunt someone down. Only a secondary bonus.
If they changed how the system worked and changed how the payout is calculated, then this is where the current clone costs can be of use.
% of the value of the ship Hunter receives the target's insurance payout % of the value of their clone cost % of the value of their implants
The payout can get to be pretty good. Now rework the kill right system and tie it together with the bounty system. The kill right, and therefore the bounty, is complete once the target's pod goes pop. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23700
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:27:26 -
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do you plan to read the thread now that you posted, or
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:53:20 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink. The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
452
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:09:53 -
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Isk sinks are fine, isk sinks that are punitive to specific player types (WH/null/and the heros of my heart, dictor pilots specifically) are just bad. |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23702
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:20:26 -
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people who undock where it matters, and where CCP wants people to go for their gameplay.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:29:46 -
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Rain6637 wrote:people who undock where it matters, and where CCP wants people to go for their gameplay.
But I want to pod my enemies, knowing that their losses matter!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23709
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:34:33 -
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go for it, I just do what my FC says because I'm a monkey. I just wish I could go on carefree roams on my own in bubble country. If I did, I would go quickly broke -always- and that's what this is about. for me.
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Amarrian Cougar
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:44:55 -
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I agree with OP. I completly understood and agreed with hi-cost clones when you could death clone across the galaxy on a whim, but now, the only time these clones are going to be getting popped is because of hostile action.
If the "travel" was the main reason for the high price, that reason is now gone and the price of clones should decrease. My clones only cost 10 mil and even I think thats outrageous. I can't imagine what it's like for people with 150 mil SP. Your clone shouldn't cost more than the T2 ship you're flying. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:21:21 -
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Rain6637 wrote:go for it, I just do what my FC says because I'm a monkey. I just wish I could go on carefree roams on my own in bubble country. If I did, I would go quickly broke -always- and that's what this is about. for me.
But think of the other side: I wouldn't want my enemies be financially able to go for care free roams in my country without going broke quickly!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23719
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:28:43 -
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they got 99 problems but SP isn't one, afaik iirc
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:33:01 -
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Noobs like me should totally have a cost advantage over vets like you! Unless you want to be a meat-shield too!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23719
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:35:53 -
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the plan was never to not be a meat shield, I just thought moar SP was a good idea. meat shield gets **** done
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5517
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:18:31 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not? Man you're just getting everything you want, aren't you? You're getting everything I want too.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23721
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:19:49 -
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you like that?
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