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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1390
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Posted - 2014.11.02 11:56:32 -
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Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: And you still refuse to answer the original question, but it doesn't matter because I have a feeling I already know what the answer is. The point of it all has apparently gone over your head as well. It doesn't matter though since I now know how you are as a person and as a soldier. Also, you using the term 'civilian' like that is both derogatory in nature and incorrect.
So I am through talking with you since there is nothing of value to be gained and I'm not interested in getting into futile debates with an extremist who has no interest or desire for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
Than make it damn clear, instead of writing a lot of incorrect assumptions. And when gallenteans have "feeling" about right answer, in most cases they are straightforward wrong, just like they are starting making up "lack of discipline" and stuff like that. Somehow I think it was the initial goal of asking the question, just to blame in lack of discipline, where there were none. Or what was it? Can I have one incorrect assumption myself, or is it now gallente only prerogative?
Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: an extremist who has no interest or desire for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
Thank you for showing us real gallentean face one more time. Instead of asking if I want a peaceful resolution or no, you shortsightedly assumed I don't, and just called ME extremist, where in this conflict extremists are and always were gallenteans. Well, good job. I hope your federation will soon be destroyed and this will stop once and forever. |
Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
21
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Posted - 2014.11.02 12:06:46 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Than make it damn clear, instead of writing a lot of incorrect assumptions. I did, you dense woman! Multiple times in fact! Do you even read a full post before flying off the handle like a madwoman?
Diana Kim wrote:Instead of asking if I want a peaceful resolution or no, you shortsightedly assumed I don't, and just called ME extremist, where in this conflict extremists are and always were gallenteans. Ok, alright...lets see where she's going...
Diana Kim wrote:I hope your federation will soon be destroyed and this will stop once and forever. Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this...
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2014.11.02 12:09:23 -
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Zecthah, just go grab another three shots of espresso. You have misidentified me with a more erudite person.
I am very sure I do not sound like that. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1390
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Posted - 2014.11.02 12:17:22 -
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The direct question would be like, just hypothetically, exempli gratia: "Tell me, Mr. Trees'ent, honestly, are you an idiot or no?"
And if you can't understand all the crimes gallentean committed against our peoples, how is it even possible to consider peace?!.. While such attitude persists, we will keep fighting until the victorious end.
If we can't bring justice with words, we will bring it with FIRE AND STEEL. Glory to the State! |
Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
21
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Posted - 2014.11.02 12:32:08 -
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Diana Kim wrote:The direct question would be like, just hypothetically, exempli gratia: "Tell me, Mr. Trees'ent, honestly, are you an idiot or no?"
And if you can't understand all the crimes gallentean committed against our peoples, how is it even possible to consider peace?!.. While such attitude persists, we will keep fighting until the victorious end.
If we can't bring justice with words, we will bring it with FIRE AND STEEL. Glory to the State!
Alright, here's a direct question. Kim, honestly, are you an idiot or are you just pretending to be one to try and irritate everyone around you? You want the original direct question again? Why don't I just quote it from the first time I asked.
Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: I'm curious. If you were ordered to cease hostilities against Gallentian forces from your chain of command, would you follow those orders?
When you aren't agree with given order, you have right to arrest your superior officer and claim this position. After the operation, though, you both will be presented to the tribunal and one of you will be executed, depending on tribunal's decision. If you will notice, you either didn't read the full post and began the off-topic conversation about disobeying orders or are too dim-witted to notice when you are being asked a direct question on your own so it has to be pointed out to you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1390
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Posted - 2014.11.02 13:01:32 -
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Zecthah Trees'ent wrote:You want the original direct question again? Why don't I just quote it from the first time I asked. Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: I'm curious. If you were ordered to cease hostilities against Gallentian forces from your chain of command, would you follow those orders?
When you aren't agree with given order, you have right to arrest your superior officer and claim this position. After the operation, though, you both will be presented to the tribunal and one of you will be executed, depending on tribunal's decision. If you will notice, you either didn't read the full post and began the off-topic conversation about disobeying orders or are too dim-witted to notice when you are being asked a direct question on your own so it has to be pointed out to you. Okay, I have deleted the usual gallentean insults from your reply and try to answer to you, like you were a human.
I believe the answer was given in full, as a definitive answer to this question is not possible. It can be replied with both yes or no depending on the situation.
With my reply I have implied, that negative answer is a valid possibility, and that it will lead to my death. Pity you couldn't see and understand it then. I hope you will do now.
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Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
21
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Posted - 2014.11.02 13:17:19 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote:You want the original direct question again? Why don't I just quote it from the first time I asked. Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: I'm curious. If you were ordered to cease hostilities against Gallentian forces from your chain of command, would you follow those orders?
When you aren't agree with given order, you have right to arrest your superior officer and claim this position. After the operation, though, you both will be presented to the tribunal and one of you will be executed, depending on tribunal's decision. If you will notice, you either didn't read the full post and began the off-topic conversation about disobeying orders or are too dim-witted to notice when you are being asked a direct question on your own so it has to be pointed out to you. Okay, I have deleted the usual gallentean insults from your reply and try to answer to you, like you were a human. I believe the answer was given in full, as a definitive answer to this question is not possible. It can be replied with both yes or no depending on the situation. With my reply I have implied, that negative answer is a valid possibility, and that it will lead to my death. Pity you couldn't see and understand it then. I hope you will do now. The usual Gallentean insults? You are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across, Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone. It would be a miracle if anyone would call you friend. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1390
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Posted - 2014.11.02 13:30:15 -
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Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: The usual Gallentean insults? You are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across, Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone. It would be a miracle if anyone would call you friend.
Then you should call me Her Majesty Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone, the bringer of Miracles.
Besides that, have I answered you question NOW? |
Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
21
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Posted - 2014.11.02 13:39:46 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: The usual Gallentean insults? You are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across, Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone. It would be a miracle if anyone would call you friend.
Then you should call me Her Majesty Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone, the bringer of Miracles. Besides that, have I answered you question NOW? Modest too I see. /sarcasm I suppose that is the best answer I could expect from you. Yes or no. Either or. Which isn't really an answer but whatever. I'm bored with that since you're so obstinate about giving a clear answer to what should be easy. Especially since I did give a scenario. That scenario being if a cease-fire or peace treaty was signed between Caldari and Gallente. It doesn't matter any more. The moment is lost. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1390
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Posted - 2014.11.02 14:58:12 -
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Zecthah Trees'ent wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: The usual Gallentean insults? You are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite I have ever come across, Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone. It would be a miracle if anyone would call you friend.
Then you should call me Her Majesty Miss High and Mighty example of shining superiority over everyone, the bringer of Miracles. Besides that, have I answered you question NOW? Modest too I see. /sarcasm I suppose that is the best answer I could expect from you. Yes or no. Either or. Which isn't really an answer but whatever. I'm bored with that since you're so obstinate about giving a clear answer to what should be easy. Especially since I did give a scenario. That scenario being if a cease-fire or peace treaty was signed between Caldari and Gallente. It doesn't matter any more. The moment is lost. I said already, there is no clear answer to this question, should I repeat it third time? Usually first time is enough, at least for not-gallenteans. Your so called "scenario" doesn't change anything, as have cases for both positive and negative answer for your question. If you don't understand how, contemplate on this: After the cease fire was signed with gallenteans and Caldari Prime was transferred to the State, five years later gallentean backstabbers attacked our titan on the orbit of this planet and occupied half of the planet once again.
I will do whatever I can to protect our citizens from galletean treachery again. If the cease-fire will leave physical possibility for gallentes to backstab us, they will do it.
Never trust a gallentean.
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On the other hand, we should realize when enough is enough. When our space will be secured to acceptable degree, we should stop attacking and killing, saving our resources and lives from unnecessary losses. |
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JP Eulienne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.11.02 15:43:59 -
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I told you so? |
Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
21
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Posted - 2014.11.02 15:46:36 -
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JP Eulienne wrote:I told you so? I know, I know. |
iyammarrok
Disconnected.
193
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:06:57 -
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The right to arrest your commanding officer if you disagree with an order....
What a novel concept.
In the military of Diana Kim, this may be possible. but there would be a very small military anywhere in the universe, were this the case in any real military.
Sgt : "Jones, first watch" Jones: "You're under arrest sir, i'm tired."
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:54:54 -
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iyammarrok wrote:The right to arrest your commanding officer if you disagree with an order....
What a novel concept.
In the military of Diana Kim, this may be possible. but there would be a very small military anywhere in the universe, were this the case in any real military.
Sgt : "Jones, first watch" Jones: "You're under arrest sir, i'm tired." Stupid gallentean is stupid. And this is why the Federation must be destroyed. |
iyammarrok
Disconnected.
195
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:20:48 -
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Ok, You're not worth talking to. You respond like a broken chatbot program.
Also, you do not understand comic exaggeration. Fade into irrelevance like Heth did. It is a deserving place for you.
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.05 09:50:12 -
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Let me put some of mine opinions on matter.
Even now when You gallenteans preachers tells about peace gallentean militia is on the offence and federation occupies much of our territories .
Don't tell me about peace when you are continuing invasion.
Don't tell me about peace when my very homeworld is under your unjust occupation
Don't tell me that you are good guys and we are bad guys or that you are victtims of Caldarian "genocide-willing" mad people when it is you who always atack first.
Yes we Trade with Empire of Amarr. Yes we could trade with Republic of Minmatar. In distinct future we could also trade with federation but there is one issue with last statement - at first federation need to stop willing us death.
You claim that Federation could destroy Caldari any moment If they willed? I say its a propaganda lies. I agree that at this moment they does occupy much of states territory but the don't have the force - or even guts to destroy us.
About some Matar accusing us before in this thread for wilingness of atacking every non-caldari capsuleer in sight.
I'll tell you sth:
without direct order of my superior I'd never perform any hostile action agains ANY civil ship - even if it was gallente vessel.
There are only two groups of ships I'll engage every time that such engage would not be suicidal: Gallente Navy in systems that are rightfully ours, and pirate vessels
and there is much of those first in many systems that are occupied by your militia.
Sadly at this moment I've got other assignment that requires my presence and resources away from the warfront - but eventually I'll be back there at the frontline shooting Your ships down - in defence of the State.
You really want peace?
Stop agressing out teritories. Withdraw your militia. Do not even think about backstabbing us again. Be prepared that we will be untrustfull toward you. and then after years of you respecting our right to frredom and our lands we can go back to the table to resolve future of Federation and State in peacefully way.
If you truely want peace then you need to prove it - and your actions at this moment are mostly proving otherwise. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4805
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Posted - 2014.11.05 09:54:08 -
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I'll take "obvious sockpuppet" for 10 million, Charles.
Mane 614
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
804
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Posted - 2014.11.05 09:56:11 -
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I do not understand the propensity for Caldari and Minmatar to claim that the the Gallente and Amarr attacked first, and that it is therefore up to our governments to prove we want peace.
Was everyone asleep on YC110.06.10? Since when is the defender in war the one that has to drop their aggressive posturing? |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:07:41 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:I do not understand the propensity for Caldari and Minmatar to claim that the the Gallente and Amarr attacked first in the Empyrean War, and that it is therefore up to our governments to prove we want peace.
Was everyone asleep on YC110.06.10? Since when is the defender in war the one that has to prove they want peace?
as far as I recall at this moment Caldari state is the one "defending" on gallente-caldari war and from teh very beggining the Gallente were agressors - starting from the blockade of Caldari prime by following wars and ending on breaking ceasefire with operation Highlander.
although can't say anything in matter of Minmatar as I didn't studied their history at all - all I know that they used to be slaves and decided to rise up to fight their freedom from Amarr. Later they allied with Federation. and thats all my knowledge on Minmatar history |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4805
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:19:18 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:as far as I recall at this moment Caldari state is the one "defending" on gallente-caldari war and from teh very beggining the Gallente were agressors - starting from the blockade of Caldari prime by following wars and ending on breaking ceasefire with operation Highlander. You're almost certainly a Diana Kim sockpuppet, so I don't know why I'm bothering, but even so you're entirely wrong. The second and current Gallente-Caldari war was started when Tibus Heth violated every treaty the State had ever signed with both the Federation and CONCORD to launch a completely illegal sneak attack inside Federation territory. At threat of system-wide genocide the Federation were forced to hand over Caldari Prime not to the State but to Tibus Heth's private army. Not satisfied with the Federation's capitulation in this regard, the State then violated the ceasefire they themselves had called for to launch another invasion of the Federation's low-sec territory.
The State's low-sec territories are currently under occupation mostly because the Federation wants to keep the war the State started away from its own ground. We've seen the terrifying and deadly results of six months of corporate mismanagement of our sovereign worlds; we're not particularly interested in seeing it again.
Mane 614
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
806
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:33:34 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:I do not understand the propensity for Caldari and Minmatar to claim that the the Gallente and Amarr attacked first in the Empyrean War, and that it is therefore up to our governments to prove we want peace.
Was everyone asleep on YC110.06.10? Since when is the defender in war the one that has to prove they want peace? as far as I recall at this moment Caldari state is the one "defending" on gallente-caldari war and from teh very beggining the Gallente were agressors - starting from the blockade of Caldari prime by following wars and ending on breaking ceasefire with operation Highlander. although can't say anything in matter of Minmatar as I didn't studied their history at all - all I know that they used to be slaves and decided to rise up to fight their freedom from Amarr. Later they allied with Federation. and thats all my knowledge on Minmatar history
The Caldari State ceded Caldari Prime to the Federation at the end of the Caldari War of Independence centuries ago, as a part of the settlement that ended the war. Then a few years ago, the State decided it wanted it back and was done with diplomacy, and so invaded in YC110 and occupied the planet. Own up to that, be honest with that. It's not a defensive war, it's an aggressive one. When you are the aggressor you fight to a position of superiority and then demand surrender. You don't plead that the defender make peace with you when you are the one that began the war. The one who declares war is not the victim.
The moment you gather up your armed forces, violate treaties, declare war, and invade a sovereign territory's borders, you are no longer the defender. It doesn't matter whether or not the attack is justfied. That's not important. Every war that has ever been fought and ever will be fought has had justifications and rationalizations. But what you absolutely must be, is honest. Whatever the reason to invade, be it retaking former territory or claiming new ones, own up to it. If you wish to conquer, then own up to being a conquerer.
Otherwise, you just look weak. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:57:06 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: You're almost certainly a Diana Kim sockpuppet, so I don't know why I'm bothering, but even so you're entirely wrong. The second and current Gallente-Caldari war was started when Tibus Heth violated every treaty the State had ever signed with both the Federation and CONCORD to launch a completely illegal sneak attack inside Federation territory. At threat of system-wide genocide the Federation were forced to hand over Caldari Prime not to the State but to Tibus Heth's private army. Not satisfied with the Federation's capitulation in this regard, the State then violated the ceasefire they themselves had called for to launch another invasion of the Federation's low-sec territory.
The State's low-sec territories are currently under occupation mostly because the Federation wants to keep the war the State started away from its own ground. We've seen the terrifying and deadly results of six months of corporate mismanagement of our sovereign worlds; we're not particularly interested in seeing it again.
Insulting me does not prove any good will of your side. I'm far from being as fanatic as ms. Diana Kim. honestly I don't even know in which Division he serves.
Not even sure if I'm not superior in ranks in comparision o her but for checking that I'd have to know her rank te begin with.
You may call that atack sneaky or illegal but what I shall say that I do not interpret reclaiming our ancestral land as being agressor. the agressor were gallenteans and after signing ceasefire we did pulled out our fleet from your territory.
with that "another" invasion you are wrong - when caldari fleet - that consisted of ships from 8 caldari megacorporates so I'd not name it "Heth's private army" was fortifying positions in Caldari Prime system it was Gallente who invaded our space in pittyfull attempt of pulling us out of the system.
I'm Caldari I'm soldier. and I'll be fighting as long as Gallente are occupying our space - my own homeworld included - or until I'll be ordered otherwise by superiors.
and I shall repeat: if you wan't peace soon - you need to pull back out of our teritories and prove that you are not going to backstab us again. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:02:14 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: The Caldari State ceded Caldari Prime to the Federation at the end of the Caldari War of Independence centuries ago, as a part of the settlement that ended the war. Then a few years ago, the State decided it wanted it back and was done with diplomacy, and so invaded in YC110 and occupied the planet.
this simple part of your statement is making other part irrelevant.
because you are insinuating that we didn't wanted caldari prime at the beginning of the state.
and truth is that it was not we not wanting it.
it was us not heving military force strongh enought to keep at bay Federation fleet that was previously formed with our own help.
thats the difference.
we didn't "gave planet back" to gallente.
We were forced to leave. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4805
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:02:20 -
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"Backstabbing" is an excellent description of what the State did when it violated a century of treaties it signed with the Federation, and then invaded our sovereign territory again after agreeing to withdraw.
If anyone should be demanding proof we won't be backstabbed again, it's most certainly the Federation and no-one else.
Mane 614
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
291
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:20:20 -
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We'll just conveniently forget about the supercarrier crashing into the spacestation then.
Honestly though, why are you all having this conversation again? The outcome will be no different to the last thousand times. It's a breeding ground for resentment that, frankly, is unnecessary. There's enough to go around already. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:24:43 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:I do not understand the propensity for Caldari and Minmatar to claim that the the Gallente and Amarr attacked first in the Empyrean War, and that it is therefore up to our governments to prove we want peace.
Was everyone asleep on YC110.06.10? Since when is the defender in war the one that has to prove they want peace? as far as I recall at this moment Caldari state is the one "defending" on gallente-caldari war and from teh very beggining the Gallente were agressors - starting from the blockade of Caldari prime by following wars and ending on breaking ceasefire with operation Highlander. although can't say anything in matter of Minmatar as I didn't studied their history at all - all I know that they used to be slaves and decided to rise up to fight their freedom from Amarr. Later they allied with Federation. and thats all my knowledge on Minmatar history Major Cemenotar, Liutenant Kernher.
Let me try to clarify one moment. The so called "Empyrean War" or the existing conflict between Gallente and Caldari in its explicit form was started indeed by the State, and not the Federation. Although, it is controversial, what we consider of reignition of the war: liberation of Caldari Prime by Tibus Heth, or attack on Malkalen station by Alexander Noir. In the latter case we could say that the first military action was taken by gallente.
I believe that saying that Gallente started the war, Major has referred to 200-year old history, where indeed Gallente has started the war with blockade of Caldari Prime. Then if followed with terrorist attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor, and following bombing of Caldari Prime, leading to full scale war.
Taken even that, the war has ended with us withdrawing from the home planet, and at the moment the truce was signed, our home was staying in enemy hands. I could understand point of view of the Major, that even liberation of Caldari Prime from Federal occupation was the act of defense - as Caldari peoples on the planet were attacked by gallenteans with their racism. We defended our ancestral land from hostile occupation and we defended our people from gallentean racists. But this is just ideologically.
Practically, it was offensive action against gallente occupants on our land. Yes, it was liberation of our property, but it was the attack and against the truce.
Yet again, I think it would be incorrect to say that we first violated the truce, as the attack on Malkalen station, despite what gallente claim, was performed by a gallente military vessel, piloted by Fed. Admiral, thus invalidating the truce. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:40:17 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Then a few years ago, the State decided it wanted it back and was done with diplomacy, and so invaded in YC110 and occupied the planet. Lieutenant, we always "wanted" our home back, and we were done with diplomacy after gallenteans started ramming our stations with supercarriers, after gallenteans on our ancestral home planet were attacking caldari peoples because of racial hatred, after they were destroying Caldari archaelogical and defacing religious sites and memorials; after gallente police was beating Caldari, who were protesting against racism.
Besides that, we didn't "OCCUPY" the planet, we have removed GALLENTE occupation from OUR planet.
Samira Kernher wrote: If you wish to conquer, then own up to being a conquerer.
Yet it wasn't the case, Tibus Heth has stopped the attack with liberation of Caldari Prime and signing of new treaty with gallenteans, we weren't eager for their worlds. But they used it as an excuse to demand war for our Black Rise, and then new disputed regions have been outlined, and the war has started in low security space.
Maybe I would sound controversial, but I am actually happy that the war has started there, as now I can do something important instead of flying aimlessly in the void of space, looking just for an honorable death in a fight. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
808
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:38:37 -
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I'm aware of the justifications on both sides. They're irrelevant since that was not the point I wished to make.
I just do not understand this queesiness that foreigners have with being the aggressors. This idea that you are only justified if you are the defender, and so all effort must be spent on proving that you are in fact, defenders instead of aggressors. It is the sort of thinking that leads to such absurd things as false flag attacks on one's own people.
War is war. It should be honest and open, with clear demands and win/lose conditions. Admit what you want, and do what you must to achieve it.
In the south war, I understand more the matari who say 'we come for our people' than the ones who try to argue some senseless idea about how the Day of Darkness never really ended and we never really ended that war because slavery still exists and so that makes some kind of modern-day justification for ignoring treaties signed by Republic leaders because the Republic is still under hypothetical attack and must defend itself or whatever else. It is all senseless befuddling of something that is not complicated. The matari who do not care to be the aggressors, the ones who know they broke treaties and simply don't care, those are the ones that are the most understandable, and the greatest threat. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
32
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:00:43 -
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Given that both Republic and Empire fleets are regularly spotted in their enemy's space, I'd say there's good cause to say the war never ended, but Kernher is actually quite right. There's no need to jostle for some moral high ground. There's no need to swathe yourself in a victim's shroud. The cause is justification enough.
I come for my people and failing that... I'll just have to settle for your people. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
5
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:35:39 -
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Diana Kim wrote: I believe that saying that Gallente started the war, Major has referred to 200-year old history, where indeed Gallente has started the war with blockade of Caldari Prime. Then if followed with terrorist attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor, and following bombing of Caldari Prime, leading to full scale war.
Yes Indeed I was speaking in perspective of the whole gallente-caldari conflict not just the latest war
Diana Kim wrote: Yet again, I think it would be incorrect to say that we first violated the truce, as the attack on Malkalen station, despite what gallente claim, was performed by a gallente military vessel, piloted by Fed. Admiral, thus invalidating the truce.
Actually Malkalen Incident is same violation of that truce as Heth's invasion.
In same way as some Gallenteans are cutting off from that Admiral some Caldari tries to cut off Heth.
Admiral that ordered that Nyx to attempt to ram station was on his duty so Gallente Federation should accept that they cannot simply cut off from what happened there as well as we Caldari cannot deny that Heth was supported by Megacorporations.
Also I'd like to clarify what I'm actually doing here: I'm not the type of a shouter, that cries for exterminating enemy. I'm just soldier. and there is only one reason I've taken voice in this discussion: I've seen some statements that I felt in need to correct. |
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