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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:42:44 -
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Fly what you can afford to lose so that its no sweat off your brow. You will sleep happy and might get a laugh when the gank does happen. :)
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
428
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:46:22 -
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Question: Who is the greatest shiptoaster in the veers?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:39:13 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Sorry, was laughing too hard at this part. I believe that reasoned discourse is an important part of Eve, and debated CODE on their in game minerbumping channel until they banned, and until a couple of weeks ago was on the in game BU channel until Arden banned me for refusing to join/support CODE. 90% of the time there was spent either watching people engaged in petty fights in chat with each other, or suspect baiting mission runners, etc... The idea that they have either the manpower or the resources to light highsec on fire is, quite simply, laughable.
Yet you campaign vigorously for their removal/nerfing/punishment. You should stand for CSM 10. Please post promotional videos on Youtube. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4396
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:46:14 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Black Pedro wrote:It is not complete nonsense - your advice - to be "tanked enough" is in the Code after all. There is a lot of good stuff in there to help you avoid being suicide ganked. Despite what you claim permits aren't revoked lightly but this discussion has be hashed out to death - I suggest you check out this thread for one such discussion. But permits themselves are irrelevant, whether you give out good advice or not. In the thread you've linked is this: Quote:I've found the best way to verify a permit is to attempt to gank. Valid permit holders, who are following The Code, cannot be ganked.
Should the gank succeed, then the permit was obviously invalid, seeing as how valid permit holders following The Code cannot be ganked. So holding a permit is completely irrelevant. La Nariz wrote:More of your dinsdale crap. Dinsdale rarely posts anything close to facts. Everything I've stated there can be verified with ease. You are speculating and passing it off as an elaborate conspiracy. No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1961
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:27:53 -
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if you see my venture parking right next to your barge
RUN
A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1781
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:01:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Question: Who is the greatest shiptoaster in the veers?
I want to say lucasanslodrysonmrepeendinsdalexenuriapotatooverdoseveerssarahflyntjenniferenmarlandlarynx, but it's probably actually Jenn.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
New Order diplomat
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ggodhsup
Raider corp
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:40:10 -
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im sure its been said....but just buy a permit and dont be afk....or equip some kind of tank....its mind boggling how many people refuse to fit a tank. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:55:49 -
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ggodhsup wrote:im sure its been said....but just buy a permit ...
Yupp Multiple times!
permits are USELESS
One link: http://gankerbumping.blogspot.de/2014/10/permit-tank-is-best-tank.html
But there are more proofs.
Forget it! This is actually just a code-propaganda storm, since things are going down the drain. Several pseudo questions have been started to give codies the possibility to pose.
Now not only the code-alts post, they even use some alts at the goons or 9 year olds reserve alts.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:08:39 -
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Hm, in the last page or so most of the posts have been from non-code folks. Or is it just that anyone who gives sound advice rather than waving the bloody shirt is now automatically considered to be a CODE. alt?
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1782
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:16:20 -
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Giving sound advice will get you banned from the anti-ganking channel.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
New Order diplomat
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Bumps R Us
6
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:20:54 -
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Buy a mining permit and dont be afk |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5049
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:22:20 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Hm, in the last page or so most of the posts have been from non-code folks. Or is it just that anyone who gives sound advice rather than waving the bloody shirt is now automatically considered to be a CODE. alt?
Those are just old forum warriors having a reenactment day on good old forum wars, rehearsing a chain of the same old arguments. You see that happen from time to time. Sometimes they go on for pages and pages until they spin off topic enough for an ISD to step in and put them back to bed.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite CODE.
1113
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:22:25 -
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If you pay me 1 bill I will explain how you blue status with every ganking group in the game. This of course will make you completely impervious to all future suicide gank attempts. Please let me know if this offer is agreeable.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1827
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:36:18 -
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Don't bother with the permits, I doubt they have ever protected anyone. I think it is just an elaborate scam to gather names of people to make fun of later on but I haven't read much into it.
Don't be AFK, don't not fit tank, yes, those are good. I prefer not being AFK and not being in the line of fire. Not being a target is a pretty good tank. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
497
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:06:07 -
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First of all lets deal with the freighter ganking, fit bulkheads to your ship, never ever use auto-pilot, do not move your freighter without webbing assistence, there is a fleet fit webbing Loki used in Zealot fleets which is perfect for this job, as it has a tank of 176k EHP, have faction webs and you will be safe. Time zones are another important aspect, if you can move your freighter in the two hours either side of DT during the week do it. Bad periods to move are full on EU and US TZ's. Its all about numbers of people able to group up to beat the EHP. Seriously do not move stuff above 2bn in value unless it is a short hop and away from the main trade lines.
Mining ships, for a number of years I among many agitated for an improvement in tank for mining barges/exhumers, evantually and rather late in the day CCP obliged, why on earth are people mining in these ships without a tank fitted, and if you really want to stop ganking its quite simple everyone who mines in hisec should setup and use a fully tanked Skiff. Do that and the tears of gankers will be awesome to behold. Case in point, I warped to a belt and arrived at zero at the same time as a smart bombing BS, around me were 7 other mining ships, I was in a tanked skiff, I did not die and my shield easily withstood the damage, not so those next to me, all of them died and their fits were not tanked, many of them still had cargo expender rigs in for gods sake!!! And that was 4 months after the change to an ore bay.
Forget about raging at them, forget about crying in local or on forums, forget about forming stupid anti gank or white knight coalitions that do not work due to the mechanics, just keep silent, tank your ship and move if the hassling gets too strong and in any case shall I point out that bumping a Skiff is difficult, its the fastest mining barge and if you orbit a roid at 5,000 metres its very difficult to bump. The only time I was visited by a code member I did just that and ignored him in local, he went and hassled someone else...
The only way to deal with this is if enough people stop giving these people easy kills and tears to fund their ego's.
If you mine never whine! Stop a Gank fit a tank
simple isn't it!
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:07:50 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Don't bother with the permits, I doubt they have ever protected anyone. I think it is just an elaborate scam to gather names of people to make fun of later on but I haven't read much into it.
Don't be AFK, don't not fit tank, yes, those are good. I prefer not being AFK and not being in the line of fire. Not being a target is a pretty good tank.
Yap permits are useless. one was "revoked" for being AFK at station. Hilarous! Also codies are not the only gankers.
- Avoid being AFK. - check local. - do not be a "yummy" target. - tank your ship. - do not fly what you can not afford to lose. - do not talk to codies, that makes you MORE interesting for a gank.
Dracvlad wrote:If you mine never whine! Stop a Gank fit a tank
simple isn't it! 1+ for the whole post. :thumbs up:
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3008
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:38:18 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side.
Yes you are, there are plenty of ways you can criticize code without going "they're promoting bottling so their botters ore prices go up."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21411
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:44:07 -
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La Rynx wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Don't bother with the permits, I doubt they have ever protected anyone. I think it is just an elaborate scam to gather names of people to make fun of later on but I haven't read much into it.
Don't be AFK, don't not fit tank, yes, those are good. I prefer not being AFK and not being in the line of fire. Not being a target is a pretty good tank. Yap permits are useless. one was "revoked" for being AFK at station. Hilarous! Also codies are not the only gankers. - Avoid being AFK. - check local. - do not be a "yummy" target. - tank your ship. - do not fly what you can not afford to lose. - do not talk to codies, that makes you MORE interesting for a gank. Dracvlad wrote:If you mine never whine! Stop a Gank fit a tank
simple isn't it! 1+ for the whole post. :thumbs up: I feel dirty for doing it La Rynx, but have a like for dishing out some decent advice. +1 for the DracVlads post too.
People will ignore it though, because :effort:
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Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4398
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:17:58 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side.
Yes you are, there are plenty of ways you can criticize code without going "they're promoting bottling so their botters ore prices go up." Wrong. I'm saying the effect they have is positive to botters. I'm not claiming that is their intent, it could purely be incompetence. You are misrepresenting that.
Also the quote you are responding to here has nothing to do with that. This quote is abotu how permits are irrelevant since the only way for a permit to be valid is to tank yourself so that they won't attack you anyway.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3009
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:40:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side.
Yes you are, there are plenty of ways you can criticize code without going "they're promoting bottling so their botters ore prices go up." Wrong. I'm saying the effect they have is positive to botters. I'm not claiming that is their intent, it could purely be incompetence. You are misrepresenting that. Also the quote you are responding to here has nothing to do with that. This quote is abotu how permits are irrelevant since the only way for a permit to be valid is to tank yourself so that they won't attack you anyway.
You previously called it their intent and never corrected yourself. Maybe you should ask Jack Gates for a posting lesson.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10488
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:50:11 -
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admiral root wrote:Giving sound advice will get you banned from the anti-ganking channel.
Confirmed. I had my guy banned when I said "why don't you just not autopilot?".
It was hilarious.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
696
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:50:21 -
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Don't argue with Lucas, it just gets him excited. |
CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
694
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:16:38 -
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I am sure it has been mentioned, but purchase a permit and adhere to The Code.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
699
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:18:30 -
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Several times, yes. Your point has been delivered in triplicate if not more. RP good, overdose when facing those who do not get it, not so much. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4398
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:18:53 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side. Yes you are, there are plenty of ways you can criticize code without going "they're promoting bottling so their botters ore prices go up." Wrong. I'm saying the effect they have is positive to botters. I'm not claiming that is their intent, it could purely be incompetence. You are misrepresenting that. Also the quote you are responding to here has nothing to do with that. This quote is abotu how permits are irrelevant since the only way for a permit to be valid is to tank yourself so that they won't attack you anyway. You previously called it their intent and never corrected yourself. Maybe you should ask Jack Gates for a posting lesson. Where? At most I may have suggested it could be intent, but I've also suggested it could be incompetence. Not to mention the multiple times I've restated that since.
Basically, you know that I'm correct when pointing out that permits are irrelevant, so rather than admit that you want to divert the subject by misrepresenting my views. That man, he needs more straw.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3010
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:56:51 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:No, I am not. There's no conspiracy involved. If you are tanked enough for your permit to be considered valid, then you don't need a permit anyway, so the permit itself is irrelevant. How you think that is conspiracy talk rather than plain old fact is beyond me. I guess your incredible desire to defend the code guys leaves logic and rationality to one side. Yes you are, there are plenty of ways you can criticize code without going "they're promoting bottling so their botters ore prices go up." Wrong. I'm saying the effect they have is positive to botters. I'm not claiming that is their intent, it could purely be incompetence. You are misrepresenting that. Also the quote you are responding to here has nothing to do with that. This quote is abotu how permits are irrelevant since the only way for a permit to be valid is to tank yourself so that they won't attack you anyway. You previously called it their intent and never corrected yourself. Maybe you should ask Jack Gates for a posting lesson. Where? At most I may have suggested it could be intent, but I've also suggested it could be incompetence. Not to mention the multiple times I've restated that since. Basically, you know that I'm correct when pointing out that permits are irrelevant, so rather than admit that you want to divert the subject by misrepresenting my views. That man, he needs more straw.
In the pervious bread we spoke about this, being deliberately ignorant is also some ominous sounding Latin fallacy so glass houses stones and all that garbage. The only thing I know is that you are making me regret former postings elsewhere.
I do nothing with permits and don't care for the most part, other than the entertainment they generate.
Bottom line clearly state this stuff and start posting well. There are plenty of ways for you to criticize code without sounding like a loony tinfoil encrusted highsec pubbie.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
236
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:00:49 -
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La Nariz wrote:
In the pervious bread we spoke about this, being deliberately ignorant is also some ominous sounding Latin fallacy so glass houses stones and all that garbage. The only thing I know is that you are making me regret former postings elsewhere.
I do nothing with permits and don't care for the most part, other than the entertainment they generate.
Bottom line clearly state this stuff and start posting well. There are plenty of ways for you to criticize code without sounding like a loony tinfoil encrusted highsec pubbie.
He is posting perfectly well, and I fully agree with his points. No one put the Goons in charge of grading post quality.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
673
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:16:19 -
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Avoiding a suicide gank is simple. Don't be an easy target.
Here's how:
1. Don't Autopilot. Ever. 2. Be at the keyboard at all times when in space. 3. Use scouts, or at least check the map for kills where you're going to be operating. 4. Avoid hot spots. If lots of ships are getting ganked, it may be wise to operate elsewhere. 5. If hauling, fit your hauler for fast travel instead of max capacity. Making multiple, smaller trips will save you ISK in lost ships. 6. If hauling, understand that just because you can fit obscenely valuable cargo into your T1 hauler doesn't mean that you should. 7. If mining, don't just sit at 0m/s. Always be moving. 8. If mining, watch your overview and D-scan for approaching combat ships.
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21414
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:19:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I fully agree with his points. If I was Lucas I wouldn't consider that to be a good thing tbh.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3010
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:44:58 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:La Nariz wrote:
In the pervious bread we spoke about this, being deliberately ignorant is also some ominous sounding Latin fallacy so glass houses stones and all that garbage. The only thing I know is that you are making me regret former postings elsewhere.
I do nothing with permits and don't care for the most part, other than the entertainment they generate.
Bottom line clearly state this stuff and start posting well. There are plenty of ways for you to criticize code without sounding like a loony tinfoil encrusted highsec pubbie.
He is posting perfectly well, and I fully agree with his points. No one put the Goons in charge of grading post quality.
Of course you do you only accept things that reinforce your world view as fact and all else no matter the support is false. You can safely be ignored with no loss of content or insight.
We are the authorities on posting it's not up for discussion.
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