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Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:15:15 -
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So, unless my mathmatics are out, we should be a month or so away from the Federation's Presidential elections, if I remember rightly the last ones were held on the first of December back in 111, so we should be due them any time now.
And oddly I've not heard a damn thing, no idea who is running against Roden and the platforms they're standing on.
Have I completely missed the news on this one, or is there really a media silence this time around. Is there even a capsuleer considering running to repeat the efforts of Jonny Damordred and his "Why the hell not?" campaign?
I assumed with the general mass unpopular status that Jacus has around these parts, there would have been interest.
And before someone chimes in with how democratic elections are why the Federation must be destroyed and causing us all to drink once more, have you considered running? They'll take anyone of questionable background it seems, hell we elected a criminal as President last time!
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-á Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:19:22 -
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And if no one will vote, will this means there won't be a Gallente Presidente anymore, and the Federation will be destroyed? |
Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:20:52 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And if no one will vote, will this means there won't be a Gallente Presidente anymore, and the Federation will be destroyed?
I think we retain the status quo. Roden's going to vote for himself at least.
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-á Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Dessau
Phaeornis Asymmetrics
217
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:50:53 -
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I'll take the official silence surrounding the election to indicate official preference for an uninformed and non-participatory Federation. |
Alabath Schmidt
Gradient
9
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:57:26 -
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Eeek. Voting. Civic responsibility.
No, those are really good questions. Questions you can't vote responsibly without. I'm curious, now. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
645
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:11:57 -
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Can any capsuleer currently resident in the Federation be nominated and thus, elected ?
if so, I nominate Synthia, I think she's currently in Federal space.
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Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:15:00 -
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I think some degree of citizenship might be needed, I'm not entirely sure how legitimate Damordred's campaign was.
I'm just hoping for a viable alternative to Roden without having to start a campaign myself.
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:41:54 -
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I was looking into that myself and have found nothing indicating an election is even being held.
The date is correct, Jacus Roden becomes President-elect of the Gallente Federation YC 111.12.01
I suspect we'll have a last-minute burst campaign from a few hopefuls but the overall disinterest of the voter populace will leave a lot to be desired. Perhaps, as capsuleers, we can help stir some interest? I'd be interested in meeting with other Federal capsuleers and brainstorming some ideas for sparking interest and education.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:36:48 -
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Yes yes yes! The Federation is breaking apart!! |
Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1526
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:06:01 -
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So for those of us who understand how democracy works.
Has the war-like mentality throughout the Federation that was heightened five years ago come down to a point where the ever critical hawk bloc would consider an alternative to Roden? While his attitude and pro-action stance is pragmatic when action needs to be on the front foot to secure the Federation's security, have we passed that point where the wiser stance would be to secure the borders, focus on economic regrowth and maintain relationships through diplomatic channels?
Not to go entirely dove, but to drop the aggressive tactics and pointless sabre-rattling?
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:20:57 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Yes yes yes! The Federation is breaking apart!!
Noooope. Jacus will be re-elected again because the people who would have voted against him aren't interested in voting. You get to be annoyed for another 5 years. |
Vincent Pryce
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
181
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:28:28 -
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I would officially like to announce my candidacy.
"To Pirate and Enslave." - - - - - - - - - Vincent Pryce for President!
Vincent Pryce
Archangel of Asakai
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
844
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:32:19 -
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Eh, since I don't have my sights on being president you can have my vote. I'd be aiming for something higher, my motto being 'Dress to empress'.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1529
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:11:53 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:I would officially like to announce my candidacy.
"To Pirate and Enslave." - - - - - - - - - Vincent Pryce for President!
Surely you'd be better as someone's running mate then you could be VP:VP.
That said, if you were president you would give the initials PVP a whole new definition other than Pilot vs Pilot. Not sure the pro slavery bloc is big enough to even get your name on the ballot sadly.
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Lailoken Emrys
DisturbedGamers. Disturbed Heros
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:43:53 -
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Let's be honest here. Roden is a wartime leader, and we're in a state of constant war. It won't be easy to follow up Roden. either. The man is charismatic, and he gets things done. I wouldn't be surprised if most politicking back home comes down to working with, under, or around him, instead of directly competing.
Baseliner politics has limited relevance to capsuleers, anyway. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1397
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:04:37 -
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Lailoken Emrys wrote:Let's be honest here. Roden is a wartime leader, and we're in a state of constant war. It won't be easy to follow up Roden. either. The man is charismatic, and he gets things done. I wouldn't be surprised if most politicking back home comes down to working with, under, or around him, instead of directly competing.
Baseliner politics has limited relevance to capsuleers, anyway. Roden is a war criminal and must be publically hanged on a closest lamppost, then shot. |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:39:18 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:So for those of us who understand how democracy works.
Has the war-like mentality throughout the Federation that was heightened five years ago come down to a point where the ever critical hawk bloc would consider an alternative to Roden? While his attitude and pro-action stance is pragmatic when action needs to be on the front foot to secure the Federation's security, have we passed that point where the wiser stance would be to secure the borders, focus on economic regrowth and maintain relationships through diplomatic channels?
Not to go entirely dove, but to drop the aggressive tactics and pointless sabre-rattling?
Generally this would be what I would vote in favor of. The Federation and the State have been in a prolonged state of conflict for so long that it seems to be the only way of life any of us recognize any more. Both sides of grown weary of the conflict, both sides have made compromises and taken steps forward and backward so many times that it's beginning to seem more like a dance than a war.
If the Federation can vote in an administration that will redirect our efforts toward establishing official border lines where they were prior to CEWPA and then change our standing operating procedure to border defense and security, redirecting funds that would currently be used to fuel the engines of war toward developing infrastructure like schools, hospitals and job-producing facilities then we could develop ourselves internally and elevate the standard of living for those already within the Federation.
Turn our eyes toward improving relations with the Intaki by reopening the negotiation table, admitting areas we failed and need improvement on and being willing to invest significant time, manpower and resources toward actively mending the relationship - whether or not that relationship is with an independent Intaki sovereignty or with a chartered state - and respect the will of the Intaki leadership while remaining sensitive to changing times and needs as any true friend and ally should.
Focus on the situation with the Minmatar, not just those within the Federation that need representation and equal treatment and need their individual culture respected in so much as it does not enter into illegal territory; but also those within the Republic who have a jaded view of our relationship with them because of our failing in being sensitive to their needs as an ally and friend. Opening communication on both fronts to allow improvement in how we understand and relate to both peoples would be a massive step forward in putting the ideals of the Federation into action rather than keeping them simply as catchwords and political phrases.
This is, of course, just a start and more-or-less my own observations but it is how my vote would be directed.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1593
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:15:55 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Yes yes yes! The Federation is breaking apart!! Noooope. Jacus will be re-elected again because the people who would have voted against him aren't interested in voting. You get to be annoyed for another 5 years.
He can only be president only one term if i'm not mistaken.
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:42:26 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Yes yes yes! The Federation is breaking apart!! Noooope. Jacus will be re-elected again because the people who would have voted against him aren't interested in voting. You get to be annoyed for another 5 years. He can only be president only one term if i'm not mistaken.
Your last president served two terms. Unless the law changed again. |
Ria Nieyli
22048
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:55:05 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:I think we retain the status quo. Roden's going to vote for himself at least.
It's not as if voting actually matters, you end up with the same people in office anyway.
Mirrored eyes
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:57:03 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
Your last president served two terms. Unless the law changed again.
Technically, he served for one term and resigned in the middle of a second. However, your point stands that the law limiting presidential tenures to one term has been changed.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
415
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Posted - 2014.11.05 16:42:30 -
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Well, depending on what qualifies a voter, I'll be interested to see how this pans out. As much as the Federation is an entity I exercise my freedom of speech to disdain at length, it is the home of my ancestors and living family. As a result, I hope that we capsuleers, even those estranged from but not in opposition to our homeland, are granted the right to vote for who we feel best represents us as a nation.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: Adaptable Industry for an Unpredictable Cluster
Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4087
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Posted - 2014.11.05 16:56:04 -
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I suspect that the only vote that will prove to be important in the coming elections is Jacus Roden's. If he decides that it would be best to serve for another term, then he will be president for another term. If he decides not to run, he will not be.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.11.09 02:03:35 -
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My investigation into the blanket silence regarding elections this year has led to me a suspicion.
President Jacus Roden assumed office in YC 111, three-years into the five-year second term of then-President Foiritan. The actual presidential election should have occurred in YC 113. As this situation is largely unprecedented, I begin to wonder if the Federation will be withholding election until the year YC 118, the year that an election would normally be occurring and keeping President Roden in office for 7 years, thus finishing out the two years left on Foiritan's term plus his own five year term.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Caellach Marellus
The Scope Gallente Federation
1533
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Posted - 2014.11.09 20:18:38 -
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That would be unconstitutional, any term length shouldn't exceed five years. If anything he would have had elections two years ago at what would have been the end of Foiritan's second term.
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2014.11.09 21:41:35 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:That would be unconstitutional, any term length shouldn't exceed five years. If anything he would have had elections two years ago at what would have been the end of Foiritan's second term.
While I'm inclined to agree on principle. What happens in practice is often "unconstitutional" of late.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
439
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:19:23 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:I would officially like to announce my candidacy.
"To Pirate and Enslave." - - - - - - - - - Vincent Pryce for President!
For some reason, I think I would almost be inclined to vote for you...the enslaving thing might be the only stumbling block though. But at least it sounds more honest than most other politicians' promises.
Steffanie Saissore,
Knight
Stormcrows
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Axton Tomas
Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2014.11.10 03:20:33 -
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It seems unlikely that Roden will not stay. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4101
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:25:42 -
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Axton Tomas wrote:It seems unlikely that Roden will not stay.
Yes, that was - in fact, the meat of my post. The only likely change is that Mentas Blacque comes from behind the throne and the Kingmaker becomes King.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1403
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:30:18 -
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Or we will finally stop procrastinating, start all scale invasion and arrest both Blacque and Roden for crimes against the State and humanity. |
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