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Lasius Norialis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:38:18 -
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Hi there,
a fellow pilot told me that a tengu warped into his 4 out of 10 complex. can anybody confirm that it is possible again to go into a 4/10 plex in a t3 again or did he just tell a story? |
Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:19:56 -
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are they barred at the gate, or can they just combat probe your ship's sig into the ded site? |
Lasius Norialis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:23:41 -
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as far as i know the tengu was actually inside the complex with him. Even if the pilot scanned down his ship he should be stuck at the gate. |
Chaotix Morwen
Ugly Duckling Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:50:00 -
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Ive been running 4/10s in my loki for a while now, i thought it was 3/10 and below that were T3 barred? |
joshua boston
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:53:47 -
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4/10's are accessible to T3's.
You are confusing them with 3/10;s. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.11.05 16:11:18 -
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T3s have been banned from 4/10s since Odyssey. They can still enter Watches, Vigils, and one of the other smaller unrated sites. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:06:14 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:T3s have been banned from 4/10s since Odyssey. They can still enter Watches, Vigils, and one of the other smaller unrated sites.
This. If T3s can suddenly enter 4/10s again that would be kind of big news (and quite possibly a kind of big bug). |
Sam Spock
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.05 21:32:42 -
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A couple of months ago I flew to a Gurista 4/10 site and a Tengu was sitting at the first gate. They flew off and I went in and ran the site. I figured he just could not enter.
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.11.05 21:59:42 -
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I fondly remember burning through about 74 (18bil) GSO's in the 6 weeks prior to odyssey before that ban...I was planning to give it up in Odyssey but I thought I'd try doing one in a sleipnir, which I'm suprised burned through the site even faster than the tengu.
Also burned through the Gnosis that was running the site pretty fast too (that was when they implemented the stupid camera look, and I couldn't click on the damned can fast enough to loot it). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:34:49 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote:T3s have been banned from 4/10s since Odyssey. They can still enter Watches, Vigils, and one of the other smaller unrated sites. This. If T3s can suddenly enter 4/10s again that would be kind of big news (and quite possibly a kind of big bug). Agreed, I remember when T3 Cruisers were banned from 4/10 and lower rated DED sites.
That was quite a while ago.
DMC
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:12:46 -
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SFM Hobb3s wrote:I thought I'd try doing one in a sleipnir, which I'm suprised burned through the site even faster than the tengu.
I'm pretty sure my Gila burns through 4/10s faster than my Tengu or Loki did as well. Ishtar does them pretty quick too. T3 ban is pointless, let them back in CCP.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:21:25 -
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Quote:I'm pretty sure my Gila burns through 4/10s faster than my Tengu or Loki did as well. Ishtar does them pretty quick too. T3 ban is pointless, let them back in CCP. I guess they banned them because of their huge amount of EHP. Tengu don't have drone bay and medium are bad for elite frigs, gila is much better imo.
What is your gila fit? I can't decide what to fit: t2 rlml (for plexes lower than 4, with many frigs) or medium missiles with bad dmg application to low sig targets.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
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Zand Vor
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:20:54 -
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I use Gila w/ HAM Javelins plus two Hammerheads. The only targets that give me super grief are the "elite" frigates, but my drones can pop them quickly.
Edit: Another decent alternative is a Cerberus. I've found it's damage application and the super-range of HAMs to be great, plus the 3 drones help in a few situations. Fit right, it can easily tank 500+ ehp/sec. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:46:42 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: I guess they banned them because of their huge amount of EHP.
It's not like anyone is going to lose their HAC to the rats in 4/10s and 3/10s. More EHP on the T3s doesn't really help you run the sites any better.
Jeremiah Saken wrote: What is your gila fit? I can't decide what to fit: t2 rlml (for plexes lower than 4, with many frigs) or medium missiles with bad dmg application to low sig targets.
Buffer tank fit, and I use T2 RLML for their lower fitting requirements. I load them with just regular scourge because I'm cheap and I like the extra range. |
Sam Spock
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 16:51:57 -
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Just found a Tengu in a Gurista Scout Outpost so I guess T3's can go in there now. |
Samantha Calderon
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:07:27 -
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Sam Spock wrote:Just found a Tengu in a Gurista Scout Outpost so I guess T3's can go in there now.
When and where did you saw that Sam? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:53:28 -
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Definitely need some sort of confirmation on this issue, either a statement from CCP or some screen shots showing the ship inside the DED 4/10 site.
DMC
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:42:07 -
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Maybe there is some confusion. I believe the ban was only for hisec. Lowsec sites should be unaffected. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2014.11.12 04:15:17 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Maybe there is some confusion. I believe the ban was only for hisec. Lowsec sites should be unaffected.
No is Low and High.
I was in a 4/10 in low and a few pirates came to get me. The Legion was stuck outside and raged in local about it.
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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
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Posted - 2014.11.12 11:17:48 -
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I got a Blood 4/10 as escalation to low sec. I could get in with a Tengu. Might be just one site being misconfigured. |
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:34:44 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Maybe there is some confusion. I believe the ban was only for hisec. Lowsec sites should be unaffected. No is Low and High. I was in a 4/10 in low and a few pirates came to get me. The Legion was stuck outside and raged in local about it.
This. The ban definitely applied to low as well; I checked several times.
What I haven't done is check one since the alleged change. Guess we'll see. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:24:26 -
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Tehee.
CCP forgot to check butan 'ban tengu'?
It's interesting how much attention this gets, shows a lot. IMO they werent banned because of lots of ehp or attack (i bet you can beat tengus in a ded4 with a suiteable HAC/pirate cruiser) - but the combination of (back then hugely abused) DSPs and good combat ability.
DSPs are no longer the case, nor really is any other form of sig band filtering with the ease of scanning now. So why not allow them in again?
As a lowsec inhabitant i was pretty okay with them not getting in. Kept out a lot of competition (they only hunted for 5 or 6).
I think the variety of what could go in which site was okay. The change back was unnecessary. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2014.11.13 08:13:25 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Tehee.
CCP forgot to check butan 'ban tengu'?
It's interesting how much attention this gets, shows a lot. IMO they werent banned because of lots of ehp or attack (i bet you can beat tengus in a ded4 with a suiteable HAC/pirate cruiser) - but the combination of (back then hugely abused) DSPs and good combat ability.
DSPs are no longer the case, nor really is any other form of sig band filtering with the ease of scanning now. So why not allow them in again?
As a lowsec inhabitant i was pretty okay with them not getting in. Kept out a lot of competition (they only hunted for 5 or 6).
I think the variety of what could go in which site was okay. The change back was unnecessary.
I have a feeling it was because at the time there was no a combat scanning ship other than T3s (now we the SOE ships). So it combined Great Tank, Good DPS and fast scanning.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:02:59 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:I have a feeling it was because at the time there was no a combat scanning ship other than T3s (now we the SOE ships). So it combined Great Tank, Good DPS and fast scanning. Tengu is really ineffective in Hisec (never used other T3s). Lots of frigate size rats - medium lanuchers are really bad idea to fight them, even elite cruisers are ungrateful targets (no drone bay). There are no necessity for scanning subsystem, sisters are all that you need on non explorer hull, like HACs or pirate hulls. I have no idea how the rest of T3 are in hisec sites but you can find way much better ships for the job than tengu. As for low sec: i took my tengu with covert subsystem (for cloak) to last escalation pocket there. Even more ineffective ship. Covert adds only RoF, 4 lanuchers, not T2 ver. but still, dps was anemic (fit was passive tanked with one TP, faction missiles against elite frigs, some elite cruisers, 1 BS).
Tank could be great and that may the the reason to ban them. Ppl would just go for triggers and loot overseers.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:49:01 -
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Tengu was a great ship for the job. You could blitz the sites, warp around very fast (with the right sub), tank the site, and tank other players easily.
From experience, I can tell you, there was NO other better ship for the job. I could not have run/hijacked nearly 76 GSO's in the three weeks before Odyssey landed in a different ship. I understand 100% why they were banned. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36121
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:01:12 -
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So the question remains :
Are T3 Cruisers now allowed to access DED 4/10 sites?
DMC
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2200
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:25:34 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:So the question remains :
Are T3 Cruisers now allowed to access DED 4/10 sites?
Funny, I went out looking last night in a Legion. No dice. Plenty of 5s though. Guess I'll try again tonight....
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Lasius Norialis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 10:33:27 -
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2 days ago i have warped into a GSO in a tengu and had no problems warping in. T3-¦s can access 4/10s |
Sam Spock
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:14:01 -
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Ran into it a couple of times now. All in The Citadel High Sec area.
I saw a Loki fly up to a 3/10 but not enter. I think he was scanning for the ship that did enter which was a T1 cruiser of some kind.
I did try to beat a Tengu to kill the radio telescope and can say I don't think he had a specific advantage there over my Ishtar even though he did win the race. It was close though. Luck of the draw as to who gets the last shot.
I would not have an issue if they were allowed to run Expedition 4/10's but if they are supposed to be banned from the scanned ones then they should be.
I have only seen Tengu's so not sure if the other T3's can run them. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36474
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Posted - 2014.11.17 22:40:16 -
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It wouldn't be just a specific racial version of T3 Cruiser. It would apply to all T3 Cruisers.
So it now seems CCP did a stealth change to the game mechanics allowing T3 Cruiser's to access DED 4/10 sites.
Gonna have to check this out in-game.
DMC
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