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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:31:04 -
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Lolz Iminspace wrote:After spending 4 hours in nullsec this weekend I made 20 mill, then lost my Herion during my first ghost site experience. I went back to retrieve the wreck so I guess I broke even. The risk is not worth the reward. Takes too long to hack anything (even with 30/90), takes up too much screen real-estate which also ups the risk of getting ganked and the loot is just to poor. You were not prepared. It depends where you go, how good are your scanning skills, hull, implants, route you take, knowlege about region you exploring, gate camps (if any) other explorers to compete, hacking experience, some basic knowlege about the sites etc. Rome wasn't build in a day. Players have strange expectations. They think they took T1 frigate to null and haul bilion back same day. There are no sites that will make you rich in few hours (depend what rich means ofc). I personally looted only one site that granted me 200mil (3x drones BPCs). If you pull 40 mil from a site you may consider yourself lucky. Loot is teribad. Try hisec combat exploration, but it's rat race, gilas, stratioses and ishtars everywhere. Exploration is a journey. You may not find sites for 3 days, then right before log off, system with relics and datas all over scanner.
Last weekend i jumped into my rattle to do some L4s, after the first one i jumped into exploration vessel. Maybe it's steady income but boring as hell.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2014.12.10 12:23:04 -
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Lolz Iminspace wrote:I switched from running L4GÇÖs to exploration since IGÇÖm fairly new to the game and it seemed like a viable and fun option to make some extra isk however I now have to agree with the OPGǪ There are just too many restoration nodes with no real way to deal with them other than getting lucky.
After spending 4 hours in nullsec this weekend I made 20 mill, then lost my Herion during my first ghost site experience. I went back to retrieve the wreck so I guess I broke even.
The risk is not worth the reward. Takes too long to hack anything (even with 30/90), takes up too much screen real-estate which also ups the risk of getting ganked and the loot is just to poor.
Back to L4GÇÖs I guess.
Many people claim to make a lot more isk than i have ever seen in relic/data site since the mini game came into existance. While i believe they are making as much isk as they claim, I have resigned myself to the fact i am just not lucky enough to make it a stable income source.
But it is still fun to go out and do some of that exploring once in a while to break up the daily grind.
PS. Forget K space, Join J Space. \o/
---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
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Liet Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.10 20:12:25 -
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My 2 cents worth as a fairly new player.
My MO so far is to scan down a wormhole that leads to C1-C3 space and scan for relic and data sites. Usually I'm alone and in a T1 frigate, so it's tricky to stay alive. For the most part I have to avoid guarded sites.
Last night I found a second wormhole when I was already in WH space, scanned that second system... in addition to the sleeper sites that showed up without scanning I located six gas sites, two guarded sites (one relic, one data) and one unguarded data site.
I hacked the unguarded site with good success, only one boom out of 6 possible. I found some components and decryptors worth a total of about 3 mill isk. I'm slow because I try to avoid dying, but I would think sneaking two wormholes deep, scanning for about two hours total would get me more than that? As has been said, I could do as well mining.
My one example from before the upgrade was a wormhole in highsec that I scanned clean... in that one I found I think four unguarded data sites, and two unguarded relic sites. I made about 10 million in four hours. Would have been more, but just as I was working the last relic site I found 22 mill worth of power circuits, which was enough money to get my Imicus ganked by a stealth bomber.
Also, I found a "Superior covert research site" last night... tried it out, from what I'd heard you could get in and at least try a hack before guards popped. I zipped in, started a hack on the differently named structure, and about four nodes in a dozen guards popped.... I backed out of the hack as soon as I could, but they had launched torpedos even before I got out of the hack, so it was time for a new ship... I thought the timer thingy on those sites should give me more time than that?
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.10 22:37:11 -
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Liet Ormand wrote:My 2 cents worth as a fairly new player.
You did nothing wrong technically ... but you were looking in the wrong places. First of all forget about Data sites, the loot is not worth scanning. Second forget about WH sites, it takes too much time to scan down all the sigs to find something suitable. Don't bother with ghost sites in Null space, if you can't hack a red core in 30sec (I can't). And then finally there are only two fractions worth hacking at all ... Sansha and Blood Raider.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Liet Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:02:20 -
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Actually, I went back in last night after the reboot. Not sure what exactly had to be fixed, but I did ok.
Scanned through a C1 wormhole from the high sec entry, found one data site. Also found five other wormholes/exits in the same system, so I started going through the ones that were C1-C3. Did the same in the first or second of those, since it also had four or five wormhole exits in it.
Going three levels deep and hacking data and relic sites in a T1 Imicus I picked up around 35 million in a total of about four hours of scanning/hacking. Pretty good return from my point of view.
Only found one relic site in all that, though. Only got one successful hack on it too.
It's a roll of the dice, though. I think I did well because the reboot disrupted many gankers' playtimes and reset a few wandering wormholes.
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Marisha Ten
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:06:18 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Liet Ormand wrote:My 2 cents worth as a fairly new player.
You did nothing wrong technically ... but you were looking in the wrong places. First of all forget about Data sites, the loot is not worth scanning. Second forget about WH sites, it takes too much time to scan down all the sigs to find something suitable. Don't bother with ghost sites in Null space, if you can't hack a red core in 30sec (I can't). And then finally there are only two fractions worth hacking at all ... Sansha and Blood Raider.
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Whoever said data sites got improved to match relic sites is a liar, still getting mostly 3 mil sites in nullsec, with occasional 10mil sites if you are lucky. I ran a loop around angel space yesterday and I would agree that their sites are not as good as Sansha or blood raider. I found 3-4 relic sites worth 5-15 mil a piece. I didnt bother with any cans that had less than 3 mil in them so I came home with about 40 mil in loot for about 2 hrs and a 20 jump loop at the very edge of the eve universe. Next time we get a WH to Sansha or Blood raider space ill take a run that way and report back. CCP really needs to buff Data sites |
Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:18:16 -
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Data and Relic sites are a fairly risk free way of making isk, you don't need an expensive ship or fittings and it's not as skill intensive as other avenues. Why should it be buffed to make you all more isk?
---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
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Liet Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:51:19 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Data and Relic sites are a fairly risk free way of making isk, you don't need an expensive ship or fittings and it's not as skill intensive as other avenues. Why should it be buffed to make you all more isk?
From what I saw in the last couple nights, I think the reward levels are acceptable. Although it's too bad there's no way to measure the amount of grief you get from other players ganking you and adjust rewards for that.
I would however love to see the data and relic sites become more complex and require more skill with increased rewards for conquering the more difficult ones. This is something that CCP seems to be trying to do, adding timed spawns to the sites and such. However, there really needs to be a way to make these sites more difficult than just requiring combat escalation.
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