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Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:49:27 -
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So data sites in Phoebe are supposed to be rebalanced. I was so glad to hear... Well not the case, the loot is still laughable and the BPCs are not worth the effort. ANY effort.
Actually the BPCs in relics are not worth the effort.
I thought at first and had high hopes that now the data sites will be really on the same level with relics, at least in NPC null. The trade goods selling for few thousand ISK?
Quote:The drop frequency of faction POS blueprints in all Data and Relic sites has been increased. Really? From 0.0001% to 0.00010001% or what. Never seen any and I I did thousands.
Quote:The drop frequency of 'Optimized' items in all Data sites has been increased. Really? See above. Laughable. 1 Optimised balanced vs. 14 Intact Armor Plates? When devs are talking about balancing, do they have someone who really knows the market?
Quote:Various Faction Materials have been added to the exploration Data site loot tables. These can be found in the Manufacture & Research > Materials > Faction Materials section of the Market. COOL! You can sell all those and then buy a really good rookie ship. Wait! Rookie ships are free. Exactly!
Quote:Various Industrial Goods have been added to the exploration Data site loot tables. These can be found in the Trade Goods > Industrial Goods section of the Market. LOL. See above, but only half of a rookie ship.
Quote:Lowered the volume of the most commonly dropped items in exploration Data Sites from 1.0m3 (and above) to 0.1m3. Lowered the volume of all Datacores and Decryptors in exploration Data Sites from 1.0m3 to 0.1m3. These are really good, but if the loot is not worth the effort, what's the point anyway?
"Null Security space Data and Relic exploration sites can now also be encountered in Wormhole Class 1, 2 and 3 systems. "
Hmmm... Dunno. I kinda like this. Did a few sites in a few C3. Seems like high percentage of the last patches are oriented towards driving people into w-space. Including jump fatigue changes. Parts of null are now going to pray each day for a k-space static WH so they can haul some stuff out of null and back.
So what wrong with these "pseudo-balancings"? What I am missing? What is next in Rhea? Lowering relic sites to balance more?
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Ginger Barbarella
2029
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:45:52 -
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I think there's a huge difference between what players consider "buffed" and what CCP considers "buffed".
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
1217
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:50:35 -
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Tbh i agree with the OP. All datasites should drop at least 5 faction control towers bpcs, a random t2 bpo and between and 1-10 bill in sleeper loot. The current system is clearly not balanced properly.
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Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.07 08:43:39 -
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Well, thanks for ironic post.
Anyway, what I mean, in Sansha space... Relic average is well above 50-60, while Data average is 10 times lower. So data sites are simply ignored, as before Phoebe. So that is balancing?
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Bron Shroue
Lucifer's Hammer A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:09:15 -
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HI,
I'm currently recording the value of Relic and data sites in low sec, null and WH space to see how they balance against each other.
Once I've got at of data I'll post up some graphs with what I've found and the method of data collection.
So far though it does look at if data sites have actually been nerfed as I'm not getting the decyptors which was where i would get isk from, the new items are a negligible increase in isk value.
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Starbuck05
C.Q.B
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:02:19 -
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Bron Shroue wrote:HI,
I'm currently recording the value of Relic and data sites in low sec, null and WH space to see how they balance against each other.
Once I've got at of data I'll post up some graphs with what I've found and the method of data collection.
So far though it does look at if data sites have actually been nerfed as I'm not getting the decyptors which was where i would get isk from, the new items are a negligible increase in isk value.
Before and after Pheobe relic sites are still better isk compared to data sites . I've done more then 30-40 of each( from all factions ) and data sites are trash .. just 2 guristas citadel torpedo bpc's found in data sites while the rest is junk ..
Relics remain king
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Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:20:30 -
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After doing lots of relics in WHs, I get the feeling that Sansha wiht Intact Armor Plates are the king of relics. What other faction gives comparable value loot?
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Perpetumz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.12 07:59:09 -
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Totaly agree with you. Data sites become even worse than were before. We must petition to CCP. And yes, I made so many sites never seen any good BPC. |
Rafenfist
M.I.M.M.S Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:58:50 -
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I completely agree. Since the patch data sites have become a lot worse.
Yet to see anything of value, why would i bother doing 1,2 or even 10 data sites when i can keep going and complete 1 Relic site for 10 up to 20 times what i can get from a data site.
Whoever in CCP think they buffed Data sites needs to lay off the crack. |
Kaliska Ostus
Quovis The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:17:33 -
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I have to agree, Data sites in NullSec are broken even more now. Yes, I have a corp mate who have picked up a faction BPC (not sure if this was from a data or relic though), but all the data sites I have done in the past few days are dropping from 1/2mil - 3mil and thats hacking every can!
Way to go CCP...!! |
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Good Posting Reloaded
My Real Mind
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Posted - 2014.11.12 10:37:22 -
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Cluellix wrote:After doing lots of relics in WHs, I get the feeling that Sansha wiht Intact Armor Plates are the king of relics. What other faction gives comparable value loot?
Blood Raider relics with capacitor consoles. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.11.12 12:53:57 -
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I'll chime in with my own anecdotal evidence...
I've been focusing on exploration since the changes went in and Relic sites all pay out nicely while Data sites aren't worth the time spent scanning them down.
The odd rare drop from a Data site doesn't change this when averaged out with all the times you only walk away with a few million in space debris.
However the reduction in volume of the loot is a massive improvement, as I can now wait for a few hours before jettisoning all that crap into space rather than having to do it after every few sites. |
Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.12 18:46:00 -
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So yeah, I got a faction BPC, but even if I would build it it would be like 30 mils profit and averaging the data sites numbers I've dont for ONE such BPC, would render it under 10k isk on average, so basically you wont feel it.
50 data sites, 3 optimized decryptors and 1 faction BPC.
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Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:07:24 -
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I guess next move for balancing data sites is to nerf relics... :D
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Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:29:29 -
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"Buff" as in increase drop rate. Nevermind what the market says, what the demand is.
I mean does anyone remember decryptors for 20+ M? Yeah right the better ones were worth that much. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:46:55 -
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The volume reduction is nice, but ultimately useless since data sites still only contain worthless junk. :-/ |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1365
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:54:11 -
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You're better off mining veld in a venture than doing data sites. |
Goochan derp
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:30:27 -
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i expect a vindicator to pop out of the can when i hack it, fully assembled and fit, ready to go. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.15 11:19:39 -
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They should just add a chance for data sites dropping the components needed to build story line items, that would actually make data sites more valuable and make story line items more accessible to everyone.
While i'm sure the handful of people who currently farm the cosmos sites don't agree, tough luck the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Cluellix
Cluelix
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:24:47 -
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Funny thing is that in the last two days not only me but many others found faction POS BPC in... relic sites, NOT data sites. Just for a few days (2?) almost each site had one, either POS faction BPCs, either facttion POS module BPCs... LOL.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
759
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:18:47 -
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Agreed, data sites in null are still a total joke and not worth the time to scan them down. You are better off mining ice in hisec. |
Noferatu
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:53:30 -
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dexington wrote:They should just add a chance for data sites dropping the components needed to build story line items, that would actually make data sites more valuable and make story line items more accessible to everyone.
While i'm sure the handful of people who currently farm the cosmos sites don't agree, tough luck the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
The new Sleeper Cache sites are already doing this. |
Samuel Wess
Stain Police Happy Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:30:19 -
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I miss the old mechanics where sigs were limited, involved effort and pvp skills to defend them. Now its just breadcrumbs everywhere and 0 social interaction required to play. I enjoy the traffic that provides a better income from kills than before.
Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
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Nemah Xadi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.19 11:01:04 -
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Noferatu wrote:dexington wrote:They should just add a chance for data sites dropping the components needed to build story line items, that would actually make data sites more valuable and make story line items more accessible to everyone.
While i'm sure the handful of people who currently farm the cosmos sites don't agree, tough luck the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The new Sleeper Cache sites are already doing this.
They did add them to data sites, I found a 5m storyline component in a data site today. First one I've seen in dozens of data sites so the drop rate is very low. They're more common in the sleeper sites. |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2014.12.15 15:47:53 -
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I have to say I don't even bother with Data sites any more they are just not worth the effort or time.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Orlacc
666
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:36:08 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Agreed, data sites in null are still a total joke and not worth the time to scan them down. You are better off mining ice in hisec.
This. I don't even equip the Data Analyzer anymore
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:25:28 -
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I did 10 sites in null without problems, came back to hisec with hard earned 200.000 isk... |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:49:12 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:I did 10 sites in null without problems, came back to hisec with hard earned 200.000 isk... You did 10 sites? 200.000 ISK? Hard to believe. Not a single decryptor or pack of datacores?
Data sites in null are worth less than 6 mil usually (i earned more in lowsec sites few months ago). Changing volume was a good thing. Uniting decryptors was obvious nerf despite the invention changes in Phoebe. Racial material are too rare i didn't hit single one. Datacores can be obtained from other sources (can anybody confirmed this). Overall sites are less worth that they were. It's just cargo scanning for BPC.
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Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
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Posted - 2014.12.17 18:29:40 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: Overall sites are less worth that they were. It's just cargo scanning for BPC.
Yup, that's basically what I do at the moment. I just scan for BPCs and ignore the rest. Sure, I'm misisng out on a few mil per site, but I can run a LOT more sites in shorter time. |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:29:55 -
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Team Space Glitter - Response Requested Please
So to provide some post-Phoebe metrics, and reflect on the changes from the "All that is gold does not glitter" Devblog.
I came across a neglected C2 wormhole that was chock full of the various Pirate Data Sites. It took me 90 minutes to scan everything down, and complete all 6 of the sites. There was a good mix of Guristas, Serpentis, Blood Raiders and Angel sites - 2 Sparking Transmitters, at least 2 Surveys. My character had an Astero with Level 4 Hacking skills and no implants, so not above average, and I did fail a few containers. I picked up ALL the loot except for Carbon, and made one trip back to drop it off in between finishing all the sites.
This is what I finished with for loot - http://evepraisal.com/e/4296168
So 35.29 Million ISK valued in 250.83 m3 for 6 sites, in 90 minutes. That's 23.5M ISK/Hour, or 5.8 Million ISK average per site. This isn't a very accurate metric because you'll usually have to explore and scan a LOT more to find enough sites to be constantly doing them for an hour straight. This would be closer to the theoretical maximum.
Extracting out everything but the Datacores and Decryptors, the total value was 33M, which took up 35.52 m3. That means that 215.31 m3 was only worth 2.29M ISK, and would typically just be thrown away as it isn't worth carrying.
So some feedback on the changes:
- The ISK/Hour for Data sites is still significantly lower than Relic Sites. The average ISK per site is 5.8 Million ISK, compared to 18-20 Million for each Relic Site.
- The reduced m3 for all the Data site items is definitely helping, as you can run more sites before you fill up.
- The added Industrial Goods (High-Tech Data Chip, High-Tech Scanner, etc) and the Faction Materials (Force Cable, Electronic Link, etc) are still fairly worthless as they have limited options to build from. Data Interfaces were the main manufacturing components for the Faction Materials, and now that they have been removed from the game, the only thing to build with them is COSMOS/Storyline items.
The new Sleeper Cache sites are providing some of the COSMOS/Storyline blueprints for using these items, but the ISK value and the m3 doesn't make them worth picking up most of the time. I am glad we are getting new Exploration content in the way of these sites, but please don't forget to continue iterating on Data Sites to make them good options for explorers.
Thanks!
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
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