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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:06:12 -
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frigates have them, cruisers have them (in fact, cruisers have two including T3)... are the T3 destroyers technically a replacement for assault destroyers?
I suppose marauders fill that role of assault battleships.
also, I'm predicting a broken combination in blighted guns and T3 destroyers.
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:07:59 -
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23846
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:19:33 -
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speaking of, yeah, can marauders be renamed to heavy assault battleships, with the 'deep inside enemy territory' blurb removed from description?
also do away with the tractor beam bonus, since anyone with a MTU can do it, and the maraud... i mean, heavy assault battleship has enough cargo space to carry one
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Nevil Oscillator
50
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:34:43 -
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Rain6637 wrote:speaking of, yeah, can marauders be renamed to heavy assault battleships, with the 'deep inside enemy territory' blurb removed from description?
Never read the description or the mission briefing, just go deep inside enemy territory on a unicycle with a dynamo powered hair dryer engine and some gun powder rockets. They will never be able to lock you because their guidance targeting computer will be too busy trying to stop laughing.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2014.11.07 07:58:26 -
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OP is just a troll looking for attention.
Battleship class "heavy assault " would be like the battlecruiser class that mounts large guns(Talos, Naga, Tornado, Oracle), with a bonus to reducing their fitting requirements. AKA XL guns on the Rohk, Hyperion, Maelstrom, and Abbadon...the only BS that doesn't have a T2 counter part and is only reskinned. It wouldn't be over powerd or have high tank, maybe some drones for defense but it fits a couple of XL short range guns only, bonus to tracking as BS speed without an AB would kill their hit probability, and the titan: role bonus that smaller ships take less damage . And would you look at that, you now have a fix for that massive fear of the pilot who only fly sub caps, but whine about getting dropped by a cap fleet....now that cap ships use gates more often....put bigger weapons in the hands of pilots with smaller ships (It would stiffen their spine, given them some comfort that they could hit back at least), nerf their ability to be over abused against smaller targets, and you have a massive gun with a warp engine strapped on you compare to the A-10 Warthog in RL in the world of EVE. It wouldn't replace a dread, whose greatest bonus is in the siege cycle, but it sure as hell would add something to the game to destroy big things. Would also like to see a cruiser or battlecruiser that fits a citadel torpedoes, acts like a bomber without a cloak, but very maneuverable....more destruction, less whining about caps proliferating lowsec and you can't fight back cause all you fly is a rifter or Aluminum Falcon cruiser while being unable to hit that 2 meter rodent sized thermal vent on it |
Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.11.07 08:20:39 -
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Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23848
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Posted - 2014.11.07 09:02:17 -
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XOXO Kaae.
Aqriue, heavy assault frigates, cruisers and T3s use the gun size appropriate to their ship class. Do you mean tier 3?
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
1231
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:19:49 -
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"Rename marauders heavy assault battleships" I genuinely can't tell if you're kidding or not. Fortunately, those who work at CCP are enlightened enough to know that their are fundamental differences between PvE focused marauders, and PvP focused assault and heavy assault ships.
Also, there are no heavy assault frigates, just like hams are not heavy assault rockets. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:34:31 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain
I might not fully understand what the OP thread is about but as far as I can tell you are correct. Trolling is defined as a personal attack. Attention seeking isn't against any forum rules that I am aware of.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23850
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:57:26 -
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pretty sure i'm going to start thinking of marauders as heavy assault battleships. if I can afford it, I'll even use them.
100% bonused guns, more utility highs than you have utility skills to fill with modules, crazy resists, ewar immunity, CPU and grid out the as... for days, for a total package that makes pirate battleships look like one trick ponies.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
334
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Posted - 2014.11.07 14:59:15 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain
Just dumb then, I guess. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3029
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Posted - 2014.11.07 16:34:31 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain Just dumb then, I guess.
Yes you are.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:09:58 -
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La Nariz wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain Just dumb then, I guess. Yes you are.
So are we on the level of children now? |
Paranoid Loyd
2517
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:29:26 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:La Nariz wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain Just dumb then, I guess. Yes you are. So are we on the level of children now? You started it!
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
801
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:38:26 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:La Nariz wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain Just dumb then, I guess. Yes you are. So are we on the level of children now? You started it! NO U!
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:46:34 -
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Rain6637 wrote:pretty sure i'm going to start thinking of marauders as heavy assault battleships. if I can afford it, I'll even use them.
100% bonused guns, more utility highs than you have utility skills to fill with modules, crazy resists, ewar immunity, CPU and grid out the as... for days, for a total package that makes pirate battleships look like one trick ponies.
let's run with the PVE thing, and their intended use. who does CCP have in mind when balancing marauders:
A: impressionable, inexperienced players with low SP B: full max skilled all the things players with every SP C: leet yolo solo PVP capable players with every SP
the tractor beam bonus should make the answer obvious.
is there a chance the marauder remains unmolested due to the stigma of > Billion ISK losses, and the resulting disuse?
could it be marauders are a relic of game design based on cost or difficulty, like titans and AOE doomsdays, or the harsh conditions in wormholes (which means no one will live in them)?
if ISK wasn't an object and you wanted to have decadent kill/lossmails, what ship would you choose for roaming?
that tractor beam bonus, and the utility highs. It should be changed to a warfare link ability. no bonuses, just the ability.
...but valid only in bastion.
Is this before or after the Heavy Assault Battleships skill gets split into four different racial skills?
XOXO
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Paul Panala
Black Research Industries
194
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:28:44 -
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There would be a lot of overlap between a heavy destroyer and the existing assault frigates. AFs already get close to cruisers in some specs, do we really need something between them? |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1362
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:33:39 -
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Aqriue wrote:OP is just a troll looking for attention. Battleship class "heavy assault " would be like the battlecruiser class that mounts large guns(Talos, Naga, Tornado, Oracle), with a bonus to reducing their fitting requirements. AKA XL guns on the Rohk, Hyperion, Maelstrom, and Abbadon...the only BS that doesn't have a T2 counter part and is only reskinned. It wouldn't be over powerd or have high tank, maybe some drones for defense but it fits a couple of XL short range guns only, bonus to tracking as BS speed without an AB would kill their hit probability, and the titan: role bonus that smaller ships take less damage . And would you look at that, you now have a fix for that massive fear of the pilot who only fly sub caps, but whine about getting dropped by a cap fleet....now that cap ships use gates more often....put bigger weapons in the hands of pilots with smaller ships (It would stiffen their spine, given them some comfort that they could hit back at least), nerf their ability to be over abused against smaller targets, and you have a massive gun with a warp engine strapped on you compare to the A-10 Warthog in RL in the world of EVE. It wouldn't replace a dread, whose greatest bonus is in the siege cycle, but it sure as hell would add something to the game to destroy big things. Would also like to see a cruiser or battlecruiser that fits a citadel torpedoes, acts like a bomber without a cloak, but very maneuverable....more destruction, less whining about caps proliferating lowsec and you can't fight back cause all you fly is a rifter or Aluminum Falcon cruiser while being unable to hit that 2 meter rodent sized thermal vent on it
Anything that can be used to fight the blob is going to be used by the blob.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
336
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:43:24 -
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Paul Panala wrote:There would be a lot of overlap between a heavy destroyer and the existing assault frigates. AFs already get close to cruisers in some specs, do we really need something between them?
Apparently CCP disagrees, which is why we get tactical destroyers from December on forward. But then again, those new T3-destroyers are supposed to be powerful enough to compete with navy cruisers in some rare instances, so I guess they aren't really inbetween AFs and cruisers anymore. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2332
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:47:05 -
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Rain6637 wrote:frigates have them, cruisers have them (in fact, cruisers have two including T3)... are the T3 destroyers technically a replacement for assault destroyers?
I suppose marauders fill that role of assault battleships.
also, I'm predicting a broken combination in blighted guns and T3 destroyers.
I'm sorry but your logic fails me. Out of all the ship classes there are only 2 named "assault" Assault frigates and Heavy assault Cruisers. Hardly a precedent for having them in every ship class.
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Nevil Oscillator
53
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:03:05 -
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Rain6637 wrote:
if ISK wasn't an object and you wanted to have decadent kill/lossmails, what ship would you choose for roaming?
A Breacher of course, I thought I had described it well enough already.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23858
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:03:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Is this before or after the Heavy Assault Battleships skill gets split into four different racial skills?
XOXO Naturally. how about at the same time
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
69320
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:09:10 -
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Rain6637 wrote: if ISK wasn't an object and you wanted to have decadent kill/lossmails, what ship would you choose for roaming?
A nano vargur. No need to make a new ship class. The marauders already does what a heavy assault battleship would do. People need to rethink marauders and not just hit bastion as soon as the fight starts. And the remaining highslots are great for neuts and smartbombs. Hell. Even a tractor beam may serve you well if you are low on cap boosters and there are wrecks with them nearby.
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
983
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:17:29 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:... Trolling is defined as a personal attack....
Trolling is saying something to elicit a response, flaming is a personal attack. Thread may be troll, idk.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:33:38 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:... Trolling is defined as a personal attack....
Trolling is saying something to elicit a response, flaming is a personal attack. Thread may be troll, idk.
You just made that up
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6552
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:38:06 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:... Trolling is defined as a personal attack....
Trolling is saying something to elicit a response, flaming is a personal attack. Thread may be troll, idk. You just made that up No he nailed it. personal attacks are defined as personal attacks.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:41:40 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:La Nariz wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Pssssst, pro tip: Rain is not a troll.
<3 Rain Just dumb then, I guess. Yes you are. So are we on the level of children now?
You might be, the rest of us are well rounded adults and in GSFs case very well rounded.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:45:17 -
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Gentlebeans,
Welcome to the next level. it is where the crazy ideas make sense, and "troll or not troll" is irrelevant.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:47:14 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Make sense Apparently this is all you need to say these days to be right.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:48:19 -
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La Nariz wrote:You might be, the rest of us are well rounded adults and in GSFs case very well rounded. Did you just admit you are all fat?
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