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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
155
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:22:42 -
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I am bound to high sec for a while due to RL issues i cant play that much so every now and then i want to do some missions just for the hell of it and to make some ISK of course. I cant fly marauders as i only have BS at lvl 4 (all of them) i cant fly commandships either besides that i can fly everything that is worth missioning in my missle skills are not that great but gunnery and drone skills are very good see EVEboard
I dont mind if the ship has an high cost price though i am not going to spend insane ammounts say arround 2 bil max (plus some extra for different hardeners as i change them for missions to get better tank)
i used a machariel for quit a while and that goes really well but i wonder if there are better options for me i fly in minmatar or gallente space
[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
730
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:10:17 -
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Without going to a Marauder you will be hard pressed to beat the Mach. However the Domi is cheap and super effective. The CNR also works fine but your gun and drone skills are better than your missile skills and you don't have T2 cruise missiles.
In Gallente space the Tengu is also a good choice and you have that fully trained minus the missile support skills that are still at IV. The Rattlesnake is also an option with your current skills with the lack of T2 cruise being the only thing keeping it from really challenging the Mach. |
stoicfaux
5390
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:57:19 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:... Mach. ... Mach. What he said.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
37
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Posted - 2014.11.07 16:40:33 -
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Mach or Rattlesnake. If your missile skills aren't your best and you can't fly Marauders that leaves you the Mach or Rattlesnake. |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV Sovereign Infinity
55
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:03:27 -
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The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!! |
stoicfaux
5392
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:28:05 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!! ACs can be put into three groups which reduces DPS loss to overkill. And don't underestimate how much time you save with the Mach's warp speed if you fit 2-3 warp rigs and wear a warp speed implant.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
732
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:16:32 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!! People always forget how powerful EWAR immunity is. Granted it doesn't count for much against Angels or Rogue Drones but ECM and Sensor Damps can really slow down your completion times, even on a missile or drone boat since you lose the ability to select targets and focus fire with drones and FoF missiles. Tracking disruption is easily countered with either drones or missiles but if your gunnery skills are better than your missile and drone skills it can really make a difference.
Also Marauders have 10% higher base warp speed than pirate BSs (except the Mach of course) and this does help when moving to and from the mission location. They can also loot and salvage while they go and they use far less ammo than non drone boats.
In my opinion Marauders and pirate BS hulls are both equally good at mission running. They just cater to different play styles and picking one or the other is all about choices and trade offs. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
743
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:37:12 -
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not often I hear about the mach having low dps
with the rattlesnake the use of sentries and drones just feels clunky to me. the only skills I'm missing on my alt is drone specs to 5 when it comes to the snake. The dps is indeed amazing, but all the drawbacks of missiles, drones, and split weapon systems apply. I will admit to not having not spent a ton of time flying it though.
that said I do tend to only use the mach in the missions it is best in, aka anywhere enemies are almost all in side 30km and travel time is important. Outside of that the paladin is my go to, but well we aren't really talking about marauders here.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Kamahl Daikun
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
14
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Posted - 2014.11.07 21:05:11 -
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Raven Navy Issue
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System |
Corale Runes
pact of steel
2
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Posted - 2014.11.11 08:26:35 -
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To be honest if you don't play that much train for a marauder 34 days to get into it, worth the training time they are far and away better than any other ship for missions, Raven or Mach is ok but nowhere near marauder |
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Square PI
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:16:51 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!
The Snake might have a little bit higher DPS over the Marauders (on cost of the tanking ability) But the Bastion Modul and the ability to loot during the mission is really pushing the Marauders.
If you talk about the DPS, you mean all the way the ISK/h. And the marauder has in this case the bonus of the loot and salvage to equal the little bit slower time to clear. |
ValentinaDLM
Scope Works
537
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:25:25 -
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there have been good recommendations here (aside from calling the Mach low dps lol) but I think an Ishtar works better for blitzing l4s than most battleships it gets around a fair bit quicker too. I have also never had an issue with an onni tank on an Ishtar even in blood missions so it saves on refitting time. It is also a useful shop in PVP too. |
Chillshock
Heavy Industries Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:03:49 -
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Something I like surprisingly much: Cruise Golem. :D k, flame on! |
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
159
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:02:13 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!
well i am temtped to give the snake a go but despite that my missle skills are not as good as my gunnery i can use T2 cruise missles (since today) but i get more DPS from my mach
[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1180
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Posted - 2014.11.17 10:49:04 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:Battle BV Master wrote:The Snake beats all even Mauraders
As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.
Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!! well i am temtped to give the snake a go but despite that my missle skills are not as good as my gunnery i can use T2 cruise missles (since today) but i get more DPS from my mach
You are going to have fitting problems getting a decent tank, prop mods and 5 x T2 launchers into a rattler. You usually need to drop the tank and go MJD range tank, drop the prop mods or drop back to Arbalest T1s (T2 sentries and arbalest will still get you up around 1400-1500 DPS).
T2 RHML will fit a bit better but its still tight. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
497
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:13:57 -
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Chillshock wrote:Something I like surprisingly much: Cruise Golem. :D k, flame on!
They're good ships when you're fighting at ranges. I use a golem for missions which aren't point blank and a blaster kronos for the up close ones.
Marauders are the bomb, I usually dual box them - cleared house in stop the thief in under 3:30 yesterday |
Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
2
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:58:17 -
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The Rattle is also cheaper than a Mach or a Marauder... All T2 bar the shield-mods you can get it for under 1.5 bil.
Quote:[Rattlesnake, Lvl4 Missions] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
100MN Afterburner II Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Sensor Booster II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Drone Link Augmentor II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Berserker II x2 Warden II x2 Garde II x2
That's 1k DPS (Garde II + Therm/Kinetic Missiles) and 1k capstable tank against all but Amarr-factions.
Your drones can be set to Agressive and Focus Fire, so even if you get damped or jammed you don't loose all your damage.
You can switch to faction Cruise Launchers + Missiles and faction DDAs to gain another 150-200 DPS.
It's the only still available allmost AFK option, as the sentries keep shooting. Usually I kill the small stuff first at range and then go do something else, as the battleships or battlecruisers don't switch target onto the sentries. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2014.11.18 02:40:09 -
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How many threads are there on this subject? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
753
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Posted - 2014.11.18 05:13:27 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:How many threads are there on this subject?
always one more, although this one seems to have stuck around for a while.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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erg cz
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
123
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Posted - 2014.11.25 12:21:44 -
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[Dominix, Sniper] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Large Micro Jump Drive F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Ionic Field Projector I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Garde II x5 Warden II x5
Targeting range of 170 km Garde has faloff at 100 km, Wardens has optimal over 150 km and falloff far beyond the targeting range.
Cheap, effective, versatile. No need to carry tons of missiles or other ammo with you. You travel through empire with only one ship and get different missions in different space.
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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance SONS of BANE
164
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:07:44 -
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Would a gila work in lvl4's?
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:30:55 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Would a gila work in lvl4's?
Dps and tank sure, the problem is usually some mission rats constantly switching to drones. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:51:31 -
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Grytok wrote:The Rattle is also cheaper than a Mach or a Marauder... All T2 bar the shield-mods you can get it for under 1.5 bil.
That's 1k DPS (Garde II + Therm/Kinetic Missiles) and 1k capstable tank against all but Amarr-factions.
Your drones can be set to Agressive and Focus Fire, so even if you get damped or jammed you don't loose all your damage.
You can switch to faction Cruise Launchers + Missiles and faction DDAs to gain another 150-200 DPS.
It's the only still available allmost AFK option, as the sentries keep shooting. Usually I kill the small stuff first at range and then go do something else, as the battleships or battlecruisers don't switch target onto the sentries.
Im looking forward to seeing this on an alod :) |
M Pippin
Angels of Ptah
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:09:59 -
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All you need is a Dominix and Drones. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9084
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:14:14 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Would a gila work in lvl4's?
[Gila, lvl 4 semi afk angel+serp] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Pithum C-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I Pithi A-Type Small Remote Shield Booster
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Hammerhead II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Vespa II x2 Infiltrator II x2
implants = EO-603 (+3% cap, don't need it but lets you run remote rep longer) SM-703 (+3% shield) EM-803 (+3% cap, same as above) SP-903 (+3% shield recharge) RL-1003 (+3% rate of fire)
A partial halo set in slots 1-5 helps tanking a lot as well (I use the faction shield extenders for the same reason). Keep moving and kill anything that webs.
This ismy fit for Angel and serp missions (I just change resist amps for other factions). Cap stable with the remote rep off. I launch drones, target the drones (for the remote rep), start the missiles and kick back and relax while this thing sweeps up the entire room, re-starting missile launchers or occasionally shield repping a drone (and using the repper from time to time has the added benefit of getting NPCs to switch aggro, NPCs hate ewar and remote repping).
at 700 peak dps it's not the fastest mission runner, but it is low maintenance and very relaxing lol. |
Skrizzy
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:19:52 -
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In Minmatar nothing beats a Mach, tested everything but Mach are the king and will warp out when the drones or the missiles are on their way to the target. In other places with serious damp or jam the fastest are 2 chars in mach. All Maruaders are to slow, but if you are soloing in places with damp or jam then its an ok alternative. |
Alcaine Elias
Controlled Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2014.12.06 13:18:11 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:How many threads are there on this subject? At least one more
I've been using the Caldari Navy Raven for a long time with my pure Caldari pilot. I'll probably go for the Mach on this guy.
Barton Breau wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Would a gila work in lvl4's?
Dps and tank sure, the problem is usually some mission rats constantly switching to drones. It's possible if you don't like using a battleship or T3 cruiser. I beleive those two options are a lot faster. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1207
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Posted - 2014.12.07 23:25:26 -
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Alcaine Elias wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:How many threads are there on this subject? At least one more I've been using the Caldari Navy Raven for a long time with my pure Caldari pilot. I'll probably go for the Mach on this guy. Barton Breau wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Would a gila work in lvl4's?
Dps and tank sure, the problem is usually some mission rats constantly switching to drones. It's possible if you don't like using a battleship or T3 cruiser. I beleive those two options are a lot faster.
You do see people doing IVs in Tengus, Ishtars, Prophecies, Drakes, the occasional Vexor Navy and even fleets of Assault Frigates. You also hear of people running an alt in a bomber with their main in a battleships occasionally as well though that may be more for the lulz.
For solo work: - Marauders (if looting), - pirate BS (especially Machs, Vindis and Rattlesnakes) - and generic T1 BS (T2 fitted non-bling generic sentry Dominix are probably the thing you see the most)
are definitely the most time efficient.
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servalaan
12
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Posted - 2014.12.11 02:47:38 -
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If you fly Minmatar then there is only one ship, 'MAELSTROM' toting fully un-grouped T2 1400mm badboys, you'll push 850 dps @13.6k alpha, anything else is just showing off or attracting unwanted attention.
The money you save on the overpriced faction e-p33n you could use for some repetitively inexpensive 65% specific resist hardeners. These help with missions and with CPU constraints as T2 1400 max dps Maels are tighter than a gnat's chuff on fitting.
If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
759
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Posted - 2014.12.11 04:05:18 -
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Sentry domi, aggressive drones and afk. |
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