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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:49:58 -
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Eldwinn wrote:OP what exactly are you suggesting then as a solution? Unfortunately I do not speak whatever you are trying to say. My suggestion is simple : Increase the penalty of breaking the concord's rules. But with sens. I mean : Actually if you pod kill someone in low sec you have a bigger lost of security statue. I can understand that you can fail your shoot, or something can goes bad for the suicide ganker so : If you use modules against someone you loose : -2.5 of security statue /like it is now, and if you destroy a ship : you loose -7.5 of security statue. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6528
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:52:48 -
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How would this effect someone already -10 ?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:56:44 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you? Yes and it is easy. Get better scrub Wasn't addressed at you, but thanks for your input.
It's only easy when the target makes it easy, avoiding choke points, being careful what I haul, knowing who the gankers are, not afking and fitting a tank has served me well in the past tyvm, although a couple have tried, and failed.
You don't have to outrun the wolves, you just have to outrun the the guy next to you. I make somebody else a more attractive/profitable target.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:58:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:How would this effect someone already -10 ? It won't, but someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots. It will be more juicy to gank in higher sec statue area because : If you have less gank in higher sec statue area, poeple are less carefull, will transport more expensiv stuffs, but you will loose more sec statue.
With a logic like this we invert the low sec/null sec logic, witch means, more you will go higher secure zone, more it will be interresting for suicide gankers, but more you will have to work on your own security statue to be able to access back higher areas |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:06:56 -
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Have you heard about "burn jita" ?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:08:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have you heard about "burn jita" ? Yes I did. |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times Spaceships in Space
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:13:46 -
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OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy.
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times Spaceships in Space
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:15:20 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have you heard about "burn jita" ? Yes I did.
Then explain how -10's were in Jita killing freighters when you say they cannot go into 0.9 systems.
The New Order is recruiting PVP pilots.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:17:52 -
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Yet you say someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots. The reason I keep coming to this is because you clearly don't understand the nuance involved in the activitiy, this pretty much disqualifys your suggestions as you are in no position to be balancing something you don't fully understand. go try it for a while and learn how it's done then make suggestions (and if you mention markee as an authority on anything again I'll gank you.)
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:18:42 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:How would this effect someone already -10 ? It won't, but someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots. It will be more juicy to gank in higher sec statue area because : If you have less gank in higher sec statue area, poeple are less carefull, will transport more expensiv stuffs, but you will loose more sec statue. With a logic like this we invert the low sec/null sec logic, witch means, more you will go higher secure zone, more it will be interresting for suicide gankers, but more you will have to work on your own security statue to be able to access back higher areas
Wut. This thread is unreal. |
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:20:11 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy. I think your right. I haven't experienced the -10 security status game mecanic myself, but what i see and what I understand reading you is : you have to keep mooving it is more difficult to involve in high sec when you have the police at your ass : AND THIS become a challange, THIS is what suicide gankers should MEET after doing their first suicide gank. THIS makes the games more interresting.
Because what I see is : Random poeple making random suicide ganks against T1 transport ships, succeed and sometimes being really lucky with their loots. Having no issue with their security status.
So, yes, for me you join my point of view. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:24:07 -
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Hmm, objective attitude...didn't expect that.
Don't take my words to haharshly, you should give it a shot though.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:25:15 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hmm, objective attitude...didn't expect that.
Don't take my words to haharshly, you should give it a shot though. I understand your point of view, I said fiew at the begging also, I could react like you. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:50:13 -
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The guy that killed you is not -10 his current sec status is -1.0. He pays for his sec status and while it is not that expensive relative to the isk he makes, it is not exactly cheap to maintain his status.
How about instead of focusing on what could be done to make his job harder we talk about what could be done to make your job easier? How about not putting 500 mil worth of stuff in a paper thin hauler that does not only have no tank it is actually anti-tanked with a full compliment of cargo expanders and cargo rigs?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:15:28 -
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Things in this post were said, a multitude of them wrong. Most from OP.
There are reasons on to how it is done and how it works that OP does not understand. As mentioned, the sheer logistical feats that take place would astound you. And I'm not talking about just having a warp in alt.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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Formerly Known AsAC
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:15:28 -
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Things in this post were said, a multitude of them wrong. Most from OP.
There are reasons on to how it is done and how it works that OP does not understand. As mentioned, the sheer logistical feats that take place would astound you. And I'm not talking about just having a warp in alt.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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Danjun Zahid
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.07 23:13:46 -
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what is a sec statue and where can i get one? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 23:19:13 -
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I knew that killboard would be funny even before I entered OPs name
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:05:12 -
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Makes so much more sense now. OP dies by ganker. Tears. Comes to C&P and expresses his / her tears. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:10:24 -
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Thems is some funky tears, almost didn't realize that they were .
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times Spaceships in Space
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:21:59 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy. I think your right. I haven't experienced the -10 security status game mecanic myself, but what i see and what I understand reading you is : you have to keep mooving it is more difficult to involve in high sec when you have the police at your ass : AND THIS become a challange, THIS is what suicide gankers should MEET after doing their first suicide gank. THIS makes the games more interresting. Because what I see is : Random poeple making random suicide ganks against T1 transport ships, succeed and sometimes being really lucky with their loots. Having no issue with their security status. So, yes, for me you join my point of view. I understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.
If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive.
The New Order is recruiting PVP pilots.
Code. Forums are the place to be, all are welcome! The Law of High Sec.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:37:34 -
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wow. this is the closest thing I've experienced in a while to the digital equivalent to carbon monoxide poisoning. wooziness, head spins, unsteadiness when trying to stand, followed by a splitting headache. I can haz some of those ooshrooms too? theys good. |
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.08 07:53:06 -
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I'm waiting till they start to propose a nerf to the catalyst itself.
they could hide it in "warfare and tactics" or "ships and modules".
You guys should really do that. Go now and start a thread beginning with "Should cormorant have 8th turret slot?", going thru "unfair for corax, and so UP algos/dragoon" and then ending with "maybe nerf the catalyst, so cormorant stops to feel sad".
I can speak miner slang \o/
"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 08:19:27 -
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OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
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Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:15:37 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The guy that killed you is not -10 his current sec status is -1.0. He pays for his sec status and while it is not that expensive relative to the isk he makes, it is not exactly cheap to maintain his status and fund his ships. Conservatively speaking and accounting for the ship and the sec tags, it costs him about 85 mil isk every time he wants to gank something.
How about instead of focusing on what could be done to make his job harder we talk about what could be done to make your job easier? How about not putting 500 mil worth of stuff in a paper thin hauler that does not only have no tank, it is actually anti-tanked with a full compliment of cargo expanders and cargo rigs?
You only needed cargo capacity of 9K to carry that load, this would have survived your recent encounter: [Bestower] Damage Control II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
The fit I posted has 16.5K EHP, yours had 2.5K EHP. With the Nado fit the way it was, best case scenario he gets off one volley to do 10K damage.
Yep, I was ganked, and what pushed me to post is this : I had a cool chat with the guy who ganked me (i had to use google translator because the guy is russian and doesn't speak english). I checked his killboard and I realized this guy is able to spam those suicide ganks. The problem is he has actually only a security status of -1 and doesn't suffer at all to do what he does.
I was always carefull myself to never transport more than 200 million of stuff but I did 2 mistakes : First one was to think that giant secure containers may descourage him to gank, bcse of the security, after talking with the guy he told me he just have to repackage the container to get the loot. My second mistake was to moove expensiv stuff to try multiple item sell in jita to compare it to dodixie.
Sure, I did mistakes, in eve, generally when you loose a ship it is due to the mistake you do.
///OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. ///
Not a bad idea, I really may accept your offer. I know that if we do it, with my actual security statue I wont loose anything who may trouble me. After posting my thread here I am thinking of fitting an oracle to test it and retrive loot with my second account.
/// understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.
If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive. ///
I also think about new players, this is why a system where : To shoot someone will only make you loose -2.5 and to kill : -7.5. It has to be challinging to do it in high sec, not something easy like it is now. Don't forget that we need poeple in low / null sec. If a new player want to make some PVP, then he has to go to low sec to test it, where the security statue lost will be really not hard compare to high sec. |
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:19:23 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards.
I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. |
Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:24:37 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent.
I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:43:15 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ? exactly this yes. good to see you are open minded about the whole subject
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:48:31 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ? exactly this yes. good to see you are open minded about the whole subject Well I don't care about having a bad corp's reputation |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 13:15:40 -
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+1. I grasp the alt thing, but it's another thing to openly walk down the darker alleyways and own your past deeds and misdeeds. |
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