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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:04:29 -
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Fellow Citizens I am here to tell you about a new service available to New Eden pilots, this service is a bounty hunting service that will allow bounty hunters to claim a full bounty on a pilot instead of just the current worth of the pilot at destruction. Visit EVE Online Bounty to place and collect bounties that are put on pilots in New Eden How this works is very simple: If you wish to place a bounty you can simply fill in a Bounty Placement Form and then deposit the amount you wish to place on the person into the corporation EVE Online Bounty Corporation If you wish to claim a bounty then simply fill in a Bounty Claim Form and once processed you will be paid the full bounty of the person ( minus 1% transaction charge) Terms and Conditions applyJoin us in our channel to ask questions: EVE Online Bounty |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6613
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:22:08 -
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"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Catt Stevens
Shadow Legion X The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:25:54 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Speculation? Or Disbelief ? |
Just Give MeISK
I Want ISK Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:29:57 -
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Looks very good, Cant wait to start using this service
Keep up the good work |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:40:48 -
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Great new, original way of serving the EVE Online player base.
I fully endorse this service.
Please OP, keep us apraised of your success in this endeavour.
Forsaken Asylum's ways
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
981
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Posted - 2014.11.09 13:27:24 -
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If this is legit, this could become a great thing.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 13:31:46 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:If this is legit, this could become a great thing.
I am completed legitimate.
The whole reason I am doing this is because I want to make bounty hunting a viable profession in the game as well as ensuring that the people who place bounties actually feel like there is a good chance of the bounty being fulfilled.
I do hope it will become a great thing :) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6620
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Posted - 2014.11.09 14:09:45 -
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EVE Online Bounty wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:If this is legit, this could become a great thing.
I am completed legitimate. The whole reason I am doing this is because I want to make bounty hunting a viable profession in the game as well as ensuring that the people who place bounties actually feel like there is a good chance of the bounty being fulfilled. I do hope it will become a great thing :) i hope so, good luck.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 14:32:40 -
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There's definitely room for a service like this in Eve but this iteration is not the one to take that spot.
First of all there's no credible person to stand responsible for the service. Just an alt created for it.
Secondly the fee is too small for me to be convinced that this is anything other than a scam with the goal of running off with the bounty pool.
1%. That means that if you verify a kill on a bounty of 100 million then you earn 1 million isk. A 1 billion bounty would be extremely rare and even then you wouldn't collect more than 10 million.
The isk collected in fees won't even be worth a fraction of the human effort required to maintain this service in the long run. You could say that you'll be running it out of kindness of your heart but even if you meant it. It wouldn't be sustainable without being an actual business with a motivation to maintain it.
The fee would have to be at least 10%. Probably 30% since most bounties will be in the 50-100 million isk range.
Even at 30% it would still be a viable business since the isk comes from the client and the goal of the client is to have someone killed. The client doesn't care what share the bounty hunter gets as long as the target is killed. It is after all the clients you want to attract, You would have the bounty hunters regardless.
But then the business would need a credibly member of the Eve community to stand as responsible for it before people would be willing to use it.
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 14:37:56 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:There's definitely room for a service like this in Eve but this iteration is not the one to take that spot.
First of all there's no credible person to stand responsible for the service. Just an alt created for it.
Secondly the fee is too small for me to be convinced that this is anything other than a scam with the goal of running off with the bounty pool.
1%. That means that if you verify a kill on a bounty of 100 million then you earn 1 million isk. A 1 billion bounty would be extremely rare and even then you wouldn't collect more than 10 million.
The isk collected in fees won't even be worth a fraction of the human effort required to maintain this service in the long run. You could say that you'll be running it out of kindness of your heart but even if you meant it. It wouldn't be sustainable without being an actual business with a motivation to maintain it.
The fee would have to be at least 10%. Probably 30% since most bounties will be in the 50-100 million isk range.
Even at 30% it would still be a viable business since the isk comes from the client and the goal of the client is to have someone killed. The client doesn't care what share the bounty hunter gets as long as the target is killed. It is after all the clients you want to attract, You would have the bounty hunters regardless.
But then the business would need a credibly member of the Eve community to stand as responsible for it before people would be willing to use it.
That is actually what I am working on at the moment, to get someone credible to stand in and say that it is not a scam.
On the amount that I take, the reason is simple. I am going to monetize the website to try and earn money from that. Also if it gets to be to much trouble then I will either Hire people to help with it or I will create a semi-automated API system to help with the load.
I do not think I will put up the price of the 1% because I just don't need the ISK, for me its about the website and the monetizing.
If you would like to contact me then send me a in-game mail and we can chat about how to improve the idea!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.09 21:43:16 -
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SCAM |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:10:29 -
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You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.
Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:18:33 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.
I already did, my main is Catt Stevens |
Catt Stevens
Shadow Legion X The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:20:37 -
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EVE Online Bounty wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main. I already did, my main is Catt Stevens
Reporting that is true :) |
Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:49:12 -
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It's certainly a nice idea, but you will have to find some way to gain credibility. Not just that you aren't cheating people out of their money, but that you are able to somehow determine exploits of the system. |
Michael Ruckert
SECURE TRANSPORTS
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:41:32 -
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10/10 for OP taking the initiative to make Bounty Hunting a profession in EVE. Keep us posted here on developments.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
981
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:41:47 -
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You are basically going to need Chribba to back you up on this (and be the guy holding the cash).
I don't see it happening any other way, to be honest.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
460
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Posted - 2014.11.10 03:25:27 -
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Catt Stevens wrote:EVE Online Bounty wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main. I already did, my main is Catt Stevens Reporting that is true :)
Well that helps. Honestly it's not a bad idea. I've been reworking the very same idea myself for a while now but simply haven't had time to put it into play. Of course the manner and style differ but the goal of making bounty hunting an acceptable profession in Eve is all the same. If I may offer some friendly critique, I think you're biggest obstacle is the delivery and credibility. Not being at least a semi well known figure can make this sort of start up difficult. In essence, you have nothing to lose by simply walking away with the money. People that have consistently relied on having a trust worthy reputation on the other hand do.
It'll be interesting to follow either way.
Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.10 08:24:56 -
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I would like to take this opportunity to point out to everyone that this is posted under the Crime & Punishment section of the forum, and thus it would be incorrect to turn this idea into a scam since that would most lightly get me banned for posting it as an official service.
While I understand your skepticism and your distrust of new things just popping up, I can assure you that I have only the best intentions and in time (a lot of time) it will be shown as such.
I do not expect everyone to trust me right off the bat, so I will conduct my service to the best of my ability and await the day when people who are trusted in the EVE Universe will post here stating that this service is one that is legitimate.
Best Regards to you all and I hope to see many new bounties appearing on the website!
Catt Stevens (aka EVE Online Bounty) |
Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:23:57 -
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So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.
The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed
We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed GÇÿexploiting the systemGÇÖ
Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.
If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?
How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?
The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic. |
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:28:23 -
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Darth Schweinebacke wrote:So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.
The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed
We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed GÇÿexploiting the systemGÇÖ
Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.
If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?
How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?
The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic.
That is unfortunately true, all I can hope though is the following:
Person A kills person B for whatever reason, after being killed person B feels like he is angry enough with Person A to put a bounty on his head, so he comes to us and does that.
Person A right now does not know that they have a bounty on there head, you see they will not get a ingame notification about it, so this way they are not prepared in any way to be hunted down and killed by the bounty hunters.
So unless every single criminal in EVE decides to visit my site every day they will never know when a bounty is placed on them.
I know some will get lucky and perhaps fool the system, but that will not be the majority. |
Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:36:42 -
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EVE Online Bounty wrote:
So unless every single criminal in EVE decides to visit my site every day they will never know when a bounty is placed on them.
I know some will get lucky and perhaps fool the system, but that will not be the majority.
If this would become a service used by many people you can be pretty sure that the criminals will regularly check the site. |
Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
916
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:04:13 -
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Darth Schweinebacke wrote:So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.
The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed
We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed GÇÿexploiting the systemGÇÖ
Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.
If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?
How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?
The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic.
That if anything seems pretty easy.
If the target is killed in an empty pod then no payout should be made.
However if the target is for example killed in a T3 in low sec or his faction fit Marauder is suicide ganked in 0.5 then the kill is legitimate.
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
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Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:12:23 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
That if anything seems pretty easy.
If the target is killed in an empty pod then no payout should be made.
However if the target is for example killed in a T3 in low sec or his faction fit Marauder is suicide ganked in 0.5 then the kill is legitimate.
But that does not just punish the people exploiting the system, but also legitimate people who happen to get an easy kill. Which does not really help with it being a trustworthy service.
Putting up a minimum value of the kill does not make a lot of sense either, as in the end it still either is profitable to kill yourself or you end up with a ratio which is worse than the ratio in the current ingame bounty mechanic. |
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.10 13:44:05 -
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There are some good point here so far in the thread about the exploit or possible exploits and solutions to that.
I do believe however that the amount of effort to regularly check the boards for your name and to ensure that it is an active bounty and not a expired one would eventually become to much of a hassle for the criminals who are just ganking random miners and such, I do believe there will be those special few who will regularly check the boards to see what is going on but then again there are ways around that.
I am working on an API system to be implemented for bounty hunters. There are also possible plans for being a verified bounty hunter (one with an API) and a non-verified bounty hunter.
All these things will develop with time and I am glad to have the responses here and ideas you all have been posting.
Thank you very much :) |
Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.10 13:58:23 -
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EVE Online Bounty wrote:There are some good point here so far in the thread about the exploit or possible exploits and solutions to that.
I do believe however that the amount of effort to regularly check the boards for your name and to ensure that it is an active bounty and not a expired one would eventually become to much of a hassle for the criminals who are just ganking random miners and such, I do believe there will be those special few who will regularly check the boards to see what is going on but then again there are ways around that.
I am working on an API system to be implemented for bounty hunters. There are also possible plans for being a verified bounty hunter (one with an API) and a non-verified bounty hunter.
All these things will develop with time and I am glad to have the responses here and ideas you all have been posting.
Thank you very much :)
Unless you make it very hard on purpose to find yourself in the bounty list it takes just a few seconds to check. If i am listed on a page with my name, all I need to do is open the page (which I have already bookmarked) enter my name into my browsers search function and in just a few seconds I have the info I want.
API system is all good and well, but even with a full API there is no way to be 100% sure that it is not an alt and I hardly doubt that anyone is really willing to give you anything more than real low level API access, except for maybe a few individual players.
I can hardly imagine that someone in a large corp / alliance will give some random 3rd party a full api key.
p.s. I am not trying to stop you, I am pretty sure I can profit from your idea so by all means, do it ;). |
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:13 -
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We have moved to a new domain and updated our website as well as the functionality of it. This is version 2.0 of the website and the bounty hunting system. If you want to claim bounties you have to be registered as a hunter on the website, this can be done from here |
Paranoid Loyd
2593
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:24:04 -
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You're not really dumb enough to be using a domain that tells everyone your RL name are you?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:32:32 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:You're not really dumb enough to be using a domain that tells everyone your RL name are you?
Due to the forum rules of DOXING I am not able to confirm that or deny that.
I would suggest you do not bring this up again unless you want to be banned. |
Paranoid Loyd
2593
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:48:38 -
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So you are that dumb, I suggest changing it considering how worked up people get with the criminal elements of this game. Although with eve-search it is already too late.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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