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Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.09 21:45:37 -
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I could not find where to post this on the forums, but it has been petitioned through official in-game means. However, this needs to be known to a lot of people. I'm not an advocate for removing fighter/drone assists in anyway, but using it to dodge Suspect on a low-sec stargate should be considered an exploit.
http://public-crest.eveonline.com/killmails/42318780/d3a9aea04de4a9f2585d6dc3f0eea0e5c1aaf408/ <-- External Link (Since I'm not technically supposed to link killmails from third-party sites, I'll link the external link supplied by CCP)
A Garmur was sitting on a stargate waiting for people to come in. My fleet was jumping in and we burned back to gate to see what this Garmur does. He locked me up, and we saw drones approaching me, so I prepped to jump back through or take on the Garmur when he went suspect.
Pop, I die instantly and the Garmur is still not suspect and locking up other members of my fleet. Fighters were used to kill me.
Is it just me, or should the Garmur have gone Suspect? The Carrier was absorbing all of the suspect from the safety of a POS, and providing the Garmur with a relatively easy way to get kills.
After I died, we then reshipped to go around them and go into a novice site to continue having fun without the worry of fighters following us.
http://public-crest.eveonline.com/killmails/42318967/c81720a70bc9caa85eb1295008c95baf5b6edc8b/ This proves otherwise. Though they didn't do damage, they followed us into a Novice site while we engaged another fleet.
What do you guys think? I call it an exploit, since the Garmur, directing the fighters, should have gone suspect because he is the one committing those hostile activities. |
Matthew O'Hearn
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.09 21:53:30 -
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It all seemed very fishy to me as well. I just saw you pop and was like sweet gate guns will help us kill him but no suspect! I was a bit mad not at the fact that we lost one cheap frigate because those are a dime a dozen but the fact that this is able to happen.
If this isn't considered an exploit god forbid PL camping gates in LowSec with this method o.O Especially with Supers! CCP should get on this right away before it gets out of hand... unless that's what they want then ssssssssssh** |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:45:07 -
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This is definitely an exploit, but you are in the wrong place.
File a support ticket or evemail a GM.
There is a thread topic for this but I can't recall it offhand.....
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
981
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:48:32 -
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Also, I hope you got it on video, or be prepared to hear the now-legendary 'The logs show nothing.'
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:59:28 -
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Like I said, I did petition this to CCP, however this needs to also be seen by the public community to get any real change.
I do have logs to provide, though on my side it would only look fabricated. I'd link the pilot's killboard, of which he's been doing this technique for over 3 weeks or more (his killboard is unsurprisingly green because of this), but doing so would break this forum's rules. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2014.11.10 05:39:29 -
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are you sure the fighters followed you into a fw complex? or are they just on the km because they shot you once before you entered the plex and died to something else inside afterwards?
because it am pretty sure they can not do that
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:09:08 -
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We saw drones, whether they were the fighters or not is uncertain, and I meant for that to be a side note instead of hard evidence.
However, back to the real hard evidence, the Garmur using fighters to avoid suspect on stargates is unfair gameplay: Gate guns would rip through a Garmur if it had sent its own drones into the fight*.
By extension, fighters act as the drones of whoever was given control of them, thus they should give the temporary owner suspect, instead of the actual owner theorized to be within the safety of a POS tower.
*if it had drone capacity |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:19:41 -
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You were not suspect/criminal flagged or at war with the guy at the time it happened? Also, posting about potential exploits is forbidden afaik.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:54:20 -
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thx for posting this- now we all will do this (/sarc.)
you are not allowed to post about potential or real exploits. This thread will get locked and you may even do time for what you did punk. ;-)
TunDraGon is recruiting!
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CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:08:44 -
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Quote:You were not suspect/criminal flagged or at war with the guy at the time it happened? Also, posting about potential exploits is forbidden afaik.
We had just entered low-sec, have positive security status and not flagged for war. So since we had just entered low-sec we had not yet committed acts to cause suspect loss.
Quote:thx for posting this- now we all will do this (/sarc.)
I'd be doing the same thing if 'things are as intended'.
Quote:you are not allowed to post about potential or real exploits. This thread will get locked and you may even do time for what you did punk. ;-)
I've read exploits on here before, and this is hardly an ISK sink (no immediate benefit). I have no doubt it will get locked, the rules about posting exploits doesn't seem to be readily available on the forums. And I take responsibility for posting this, sometimes things need to be brought to hard light to get solved quickly so things like this don't happen or are 'working as intended':
2014.11.09 21:20:00
Victim: Corp: Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Incursus System: Kourmonen Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 1753
Involved parties:
Name: (laid the final blow) Security: -5.10 Corp: Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Garmur Weapon: Einherji Damage Done: 1753
Name: Security: -4.4 Corp: Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Thanatos Weapon: Einherji Damage Done: 0
Destroyed items:
Nanite Repair Paste, Qty: 8 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Light Neutron Blaster II X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Nanite Repair Paste, Qty: 40 (Cargo) Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 240 (Cargo) Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Dropped items:
Light Neutron Blaster II Void S, Qty: 80 Void S, Qty: 447 (Cargo) Adaptive Nano Plating II Void S, Qty: 80 Light Neutron Blaster II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Hobgoblin II (Drone Bay) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Void S, Qty: 80 |
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Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:15:39 -
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Lynne Rankin wrote:
I've read exploits on here before, and this is hardly an ISK sink (no immediate benefit). I have no doubt it will get locked, the rules about posting exploits doesn't seem to be readily available on the forums. And I take responsibility for posting this, sometimes things need to be brought to hard light to get solved quickly so things like this don't happen or are 'working as intended':
16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.
Easily found by clicking the "Forum rules" link on top of the page. Posting stuff like that on the forum will only have one effect. More people will be using it to their advantage until ccp either fixes it or deems it an exploit, making exploits public is not helping anyone.
If this actually is an exploit in ccps view a petition / bug report is enough to get their attention. |
Persifonne
Monkey Demons Of Narnia
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Posted - 2014.11.10 17:55:53 -
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Darth Schweinebacke wrote:Lynne Rankin wrote:
I've read exploits on here before, and this is hardly an ISK sink (no immediate benefit). I have no doubt it will get locked, the rules about posting exploits doesn't seem to be readily available on the forums. And I take responsibility for posting this, sometimes things need to be brought to hard light to get solved quickly so things like this don't happen or are 'working as intended':
16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.
Easily found by clicking the "Forum rules" link on top of the page. Posting stuff like that on the forum will only have one effect. More people will be using it to their advantage until ccp either fixes it or deems it an exploit, making exploits public is not helping anyone. If this actually is an exploit in ccps view a petition / bug report is enough to get their attention.
Stfu fanboi. You been around a while? No the hell ccp wont. They will take foooooever and only declare sploit if buddies affected. Or TOO MUCH NOISE MADE ABOUT IT. You duno what u talkim bout
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Mystical Might
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:33:13 -
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Getting in before the lock happens.
There's no need to be upset about this. Really. The mechanics are that the carrier gets the aggression timer; which makes sense, as a carrier assigning fighters should have overall control of them. If the mechanics were any different, the carrier would simply o7 out and dock. You'd be left with your member in hand, wondering what to do about it and probably complain just the same. Not sure what the mechanics are supposed to be on CCP's end, but it may be difficult at this stage to give both parties an aggression timer.
Far as I'm aware, and I use the word "aware" for a reason, there is no exploit here. To suggest so is to suggest that we can't assign fighters at all.
ANYWAY. Fighters can most definitely NOT follow people into plexes. They were also NOT set to attack and follow by either me or the carrier pilot in question. So there's absolutely NO CHANCE of them following you into the plex. AT ALL. It doesn't work that way. |
Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:56:06 -
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Thanks for the comment Mystical, glad to hear it from your perspective. I was actually, in light of reading the forum rules (four hours of sleep, eh?), I'll leave it to the petition system and edit out my information here while I can. |
Mystical Might
Viziam Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:59:09 -
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No problem. Quick note: Been doing this since a few days after phoebe launched. The mechanics were this way for the last few patches at least, far as I'm aware, but definitely the same in the previous patch. So it's not a ~suddenbug~ we're exploiting far as I'm aware.
We were aware of this fighter assign thing pre-phoebe but waited to try it out, what with jump changes )). |
Lynne Rankin
Podlins R Us
28
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:03:56 -
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It's a rather interesting idea, I'll give you guys credit for emergent gamplay, well played ^_^ |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.11 07:11:30 -
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Awesome, you guys cited the rule this will get closed for. Seriously though, next time you run across something like this, petition/bug report it with logs and stuff so it can get dealt with. Thanks!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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