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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:35:45 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:baltec1 wrote: And yet, 99.999% of freighters are not ganked.
That is certainly not true for freighters/JFs going through Uedama/Niarja the last couple of months. ooh it is time, here is the time where I get to completely destroy a poster using statistics let's take a look at the freighter deaths in Niarja c/o zkillboard, noted kill accumulator and statistics haver https://zkillboard.com/system/30003504/group/513/ wow, an average of less than one freighter ganked a day in niarja, with stretches of up to five days without any dying whatsoever now let's go czech out uedama https://zkillboard.com/system/30002768/group/513/ looks scarier, but mine eyes doth detect a trend it looks like code dot only gets up to its antics on the weekends and even then only in ustz prime jump freighter statistics paint an even thinner picture please refrain from projecting the localized cognitive dissonance in your own head into these fine forums, you are doing a service to no one
That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5489
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:36:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Considering that your group just ganked a Jump freighter in Uedama with only a couple hundred million of cargo, costing you well over a billion in gank ships, does it really matter? I mean this freighter ganking is not being done for ISK, hence the joy of ganking even empty ships! The idea that putting less cargo in, or being unscannable, will actually deter the 2 major freighter ganking groups seems farfetched. What makes you think there was no reason to gank this freighter alt?
Aha! I've found the flawed assumption on your part Baltec.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
729
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:37:26 -
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Any word on whether the ship bay on the Bowhead will allow ships to be boarded/stored/refit form space, or is it just for storage? In addition to moving large, fitted ships form point A to point B, I could see the Bowhead making for an interesting remote staging base.
I wonder how many assembled Catalysts could a Bowhead piloted by a neutral CODE. alt carry?
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Masao Kurata
Z List
136
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:37:47 -
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tl;dr version: 605k EHP with a 400M fit and 300M pod
I'm just going to do the maths I did in post #200 again for tank (the agility's improved by 25%, I think even posters as innumerate as I'm seeing in this thread should be able to handle that), this time with updated HP and faction modules (reasonably priced ones! Fit price is in the post) to show just how ridiculously tanky the ship that you're still whining about is:
444 Nanite Compound 296 Interface Circuit 388 Single-crystal Superalloy I-beam 4 R.A.M.- Armor/Hull Tech
Damage Control II [1 MW, 30 tf] Reinforced Bulkheads II [1 MW, 40 tf] Reinforced Bulkheads II [1 MW, 40 tf]
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I [1250 MW, 75 tf] Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field [1 MW, 42 tf] Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field [1 MW, 39 tf]
Capital Transverse Bulkhead II [75 calibration] Capital Transverse Bulkhead II [75 calibration] Capital Transverse Bulkhead II [75 calibration]
1255/1687 MW, 266/268 tf, 225/400 calibration
http://evepraisal.com/e/3944332 800M HOWEVER that's mostly in the rigs, which there's no market for atm. If I substitute the rigs with the 133% materials...
http://evepraisal.com/e/3944367 415M ISK
Pod:
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-705 Inherent Implants 'Noble' Mechanic MC-805
http://evepraisal.com/e/3944395 284M ISK
Versus void without heat: 542165 EHP = 395536 hull + 121742 shield + 24887 armor Versus void with heat: 605158 EHP = 395536 hull + 184735 shield + 24887 armor Versus EMP (lol) without heat (lol): 460410 EHP = 395536 hull + 36948 shield + 27926 armor Versus void with everything switched off because you're AFK autopiloting like the moron you are: 218742 EHP = 158214 hull + 39375 shield + 21153 armor |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
8
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:38:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I highlighted your problem here. I WANT to be able to 1-2 jump my carrier to empire to ferry stuff around like I could for YEARS. Now, after a patch I'm 6 jumps deep in null sec and have to wait out jump fatigue every jump unless i want to wait longer next time.
CCP doesn't balanced the game based on what you 'want' to do, it balances stuff based on what's best for the game. No one is forcing you to use this ship. if you do use it and want to protect it, you need to stop being solo (like I did, now i have to ask people for cynos to get to to and from empire with ships, or hire a jump freighter). Simple as that.
and no to the high sec entitlement BS. high sec is still in EVE, the 'yahoos' have every right to play there if they choose.
So what you're saying here is that all the freighter pilots and there is a good majority of them right now who fly solo - shouldn't be entitled to it - and YOU should be entitled to gank them in cheap dessies because no one is forcing them to fly a freighter.
That's just silly. Yeah - I want to fly a freighter solo - AND SO DO A GOOD MAJORITY OF PLAYERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
The problem is not freighter pilots wanting to fly solo - the problem is a bunch of yahoo gankers in Uedama who are not taking much risk while they gank billion+ ISK ships in cheap dessies. That's the problem.
You can come up with your irrational arguments all you want. But dude - no one is going to be flying around in fleets in hi-sec just to make your gank squad happy. It just isn't going to happen. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13870
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:38:36 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now?
Go look up the mission hubs, you will find a good deal of dead battleships.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8993
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:40:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now?
The answer is "you shouldn't". only the completely entitled mind could think "new ship, ccp should give everyone a reason to use it without risk".
When I move to a new focus I nano+buffer fit my mach and put my mach's shiny fit in an UNSCANNABLE Prorator (or double wrap it and put in in a orca so I can also bring a Basi plus all my ammo).
If someone is dumb enough to put shiny Incursion fit ships in a scannable ship, they should pay for being dumb.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
490
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:40:48 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now?
to be able to move multiple ships at once
if you're only moving one ship then yeah, don't bother
also speaking as someone who has decloaked and murdered nullified covert T3s in gatecamps, cloak + mwd trick is by no means complete safety
the fact that you view any amount of risk greater than zero as unacceptable does not merit adding more EHP to a 600k EHP ship |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
265
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:40:54 -
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baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now?
Go look up the mission hubs, you will find a good deal of dead battleships.
I have...barely any...and almost all of those from wars or suspect baiting, not ganking. And the discussion here is while travelling...there are basically 0 dead battleships from ganking while travelling with cloak + mwd + travel fit. Essentially 100% safety. Any reason you think people will give that up for a Bowhead? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
490
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:41:45 -
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Bertucio wrote: fly a freighter solo - AND SO DO A GOOD MAJORITY OF PLAYERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
[citation needed] |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13870
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:42:55 -
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Bertucio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I highlighted your problem here. I WANT to be able to 1-2 jump my carrier to empire to ferry stuff around like I could for YEARS. Now, after a patch I'm 6 jumps deep in null sec and have to wait out jump fatigue every jump unless i want to wait longer next time.
CCP doesn't balanced the game based on what you 'want' to do, it balances stuff based on what's best for the game. No one is forcing you to use this ship. if you do use it and want to protect it, you need to stop being solo (like I did, now i have to ask people for cynos to get to to and from empire with ships, or hire a jump freighter). Simple as that.
and no to the high sec entitlement BS. high sec is still in EVE, the 'yahoos' have every right to play there if they choose.
So what you're saying here is that all the freighter pilots and there is a good majority of them right now who fly solo - shouldn't be entitled to it - and YOU should be entitled to gank them in cheap dessies because no one is forcing them to fly a freighter. That's just silly. Yeah - I want to fly a freighter solo - AND SO DO A GOOD MAJORITY OF PLAYERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW. The problem is not freighter pilots wanting to fly solo - the problem is a bunch of yahoo gankers in Uedama who are not taking much risk while they gank billion+ ISK ships in cheap dessies. That's the problem. You can come up with your irrational arguments all you want. But dude - no one is going to be flying around in fleets in hi-sec just to make your gank squad happy. It just isn't going to happen.
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8993
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:43:23 -
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Bertucio wrote:
So what you're saying here is that all the freighter pilots and there is a good majority of them right now who fly solo - shouldn't be entitled to it - and YOU should be entitled to gank them in cheap dessies because no one is forcing them to fly a freighter.
I don't gank, im a pve player. No on is 'entitled' to anything.
Quote: That's just silly. Yeah - I want to fly a freighter solo - AND SO DO A GOOD MAJORITY OF PLAYERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
Too bad.
Quote: The problem is not freighter pilots wanting to fly solo - the problem is a bunch of yahoo gankers in Uedama who are not taking much risk while they gank billion+ ISK ships in cheap dessies. That's the problem.
You can come up with your irrational arguments all you want. But dude - no one is going to be flying around in fleets in hi-sec just to make your gank squad happy. It just isn't going to happen.
I don't care what makes gankers happy. I care about playing a sandbox game that doesn't coddle people like you as if it were a themepark game. No one is forcing you to do anything. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13871
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:48:23 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
That's a significant number of dead freighters....as opposed to essentially complete safety using a BS with cloak + MWD...why would I switch to a Bowhead when I am completely safe now?
Go look up the mission hubs, you will find a good deal of dead battleships. I have...barely any...and almost all of those from wars or suspect baiting, not ganking. And the discussion here is while travelling...there are basically 0 dead battleships from ganking while travelling with cloak + mwd + travel fit. Essentially 100% safety. Any reason you think people will give that up for a Bowhead?
First, its not 100% safety. Its rather easy to grab a battleship with a cloak.
Second, your travel fit battleship has even less tank than the ones getting ganked running missions
And finally, the bowhead gets a massive tank, carries a small fleet and when use in a convoy is next to impossible for gankers to kill.
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Bertucio
Chandra Labs
8
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:48:33 -
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baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group.
As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. |
Valterra Craven
341
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:49:57 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. A velator can't do more dps when its in a group. A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.
Better is relative.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8993
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:52:22 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.
No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps). |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:53:42 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.
ah yes torpedo having, truly the benchmark of a ship's worthiness and value
this is why ample light misl launchers are so popular
*crickets*
oh
ohh |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13871
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:54:07 -
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Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama.
Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone.
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Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:56:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps).
As if protection ,links and webs were provided by fleet in null sec ... |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:56:16 -
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Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. actually, eve is the most multiplayer game in existence
since every ship of worth in the game is produced by players and because highends aren't found in empire, you have to trade with other players to build things
you have to trade with other players to get money for your LP and hoarded mission garbage
even if you never talk to another soul while playing the game, every single underpinning of the game relies on interaction with others |
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Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:57:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone. That's not a multiplayer game anymorebut a massivemultiboxer one |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:57:49 -
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Nya Kittenheart wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps). As if protection ,links and webs were provided by fleet in null sec ... AUTOMATED FORUMS WARNING: Poster is edging into territory he has no hope of understanding
this has been the automated forums warning protocol |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
8
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:58:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone.
Wrong. Not all of Eve is nul-sec. |
Valterra Craven
341
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:58:50 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps).
While true, how many 18 wheeler convoys do you know that exist in the real world? Its near 0. Moving goods in that manner in heavy populated zone with an effective police force (Which almost every single modern nation has today) would be incredibly expensive and would be a massive blow to any real economy. But I suppose sense can't be applied to internet spaceships because preying on people with minimal limits is core to eve game play. |
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:59:54 -
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Quote: AUTOMATED FORUMS WARNING: Poster is edging into territory he has no hope of understanding
this has been the automated forums warning protocol
Iknew you were a bot ,less personnal attack more arguments plz... |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:00:13 -
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Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote: Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone.
Wrong ccp falcon disagrees |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5489
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:00:56 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. A velator can't do more dps when its in a group. A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group. Better is relative.
A freighter can align faster and be safer in a group. A velator CAN do more dps in a group due to fleet bonuses. A raven also performs better in a group due to fleet bonuses.
Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:01:05 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: While true, how many 18 wheeler convoys do you know that exist in the real world? Its near 0. Moving goods in that manner in heavy populated zone with an effective police force (Which almost every single modern nation has today) would be incredibly expensive and would be a massive blow to any real economy. But I suppose sense can't be applied to internet spaceships because preying on people with minimal limits is core to eve game play.
ah yes the attempting to parallel real life society to a video game option |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13871
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:02:00 -
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Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone. Wrong. Not all of Eve is nul-sec.
You fundermentally do not understand the core mechanic of EVE. You are not safe in any space.
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Bertucio
Chandra Labs
8
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:02:18 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. actually, eve is the most multiplayer game in existence since every ship of worth in the game is produced by players and because highends aren't found in empire, you have to trade with other players to build things you have to trade with other players to get money for your LP and hoarded mission garbage even if you never talk to another soul while playing the game, every single underpinning of the game relies on interaction with others
Pffft. I'm going to stop now because you guys now are just arguing to be right. If you think all players now should run around in fleets in hi-sec - good luck. But it's just goonswarm crazy talk to justify more cheap low risk ganking in Uedama. That's all it is and nothing more.
This is my last post on this thread since I'm not going to argue how may angels are on the head of a pin.
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