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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:03:45 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps). While true, how many 18 wheeler convoys do you know that exist in the real world? Its near 0. Moving goods in that manner in heavy populated zone with an effective police force (Which almost every single modern nation has today) would be incredibly expensive and would be a massive blow to any real economy. But I suppose sense can't be applied to internet spaceships because preying on people with minimal limits is core to eve game play.
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Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:03:52 -
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Quote:You fundermentally do not understand the core mechanic of EVE. You are not safe in any space. You fundamentally doesn't understant that as a sand box their should be place for all kind of a gameplay high sec if for carebear leave us alone :) |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:04:41 -
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Bertucio wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: actually, eve is the most multiplayer game in existence
since every ship of worth in the game is produced by players and because highends aren't found in empire, you have to trade with other players to build things
you have to trade with other players to get money for your LP and hoarded mission garbage
even if you never talk to another soul while playing the game, every single underpinning of the game relies on interaction with others
Pffft. I'm going to stop now because you guys now are just arguing to be right. If you think all players now should run around in fleets in hi-sec - good luck. But it's just goonswarm crazy talk to justify more cheap low risk ganking in Uedama. That's all it is and nothing more. This is my last post on this thread since I'm not going to argue how may angels are on the head of a pin. there are many possible reactions to having one's cognitive dissonance intersect poorly with reality
i see you have chosen the "plug own ears and hum loudly" option |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:05:01 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: ah yes the attempting to parallel real life society to a video game option
Ah yes, another person stating the obvious without coming up with a counter argument.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:05:34 -
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War Kitten wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.
Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group. A velator can't do more dps when its in a group. A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group. Better is relative. A freighter can align faster and be safer in a group. A velator CAN do more dps in a group due to fleet bonuses. A raven also performs better in a group due to fleet bonuses. Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.
sorry no fleet bonus for dps. also doesnt increase ammo holding ability. |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:05:49 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Every single delivery made to Bastion in Afghanistan
Not a modern country. |
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:06:28 -
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Quote:there are many possible reactions to having one's cognitive dissonance intersect poorly with reality
i see you have chosen the "plug own ears and hum loudly" option Personnal attacks no arguments ....thats a bad habit you have. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:06:51 -
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Nya Kittenheart wrote:Quote:You fundermentally do not understand the core mechanic of EVE. You are not safe in any space. You fundamentally doesn't understant that as a sand box their should be place for all kind of a gameplay high sec if for carebear leave us alone :) "sandbox" does not mean "every possible permutation of how the game is perceived to operate should be enforced and protected"
it means "here are some loose guidelines and no discrete goal, have fun"
use of the phrase "sandbox" to try and justify your own cognitive dissonance is pretty much the weakest play in the book |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:08:09 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single delivery made to Bastion in Afghanistan
Not a modern country. goalposts status: moved |
Bertucio
Chandra Labs
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:08:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. Wrong, it is a multiplayer game. We can interact with you in space at any time in any way we wish. You have zero rights to be left alone. Wrong. Not all of Eve is nul-sec. You fundermentally do not understand the core mechanic of EVE. You are not safe in any space.
Sorry charlie - you don't understand a fundamental EVE mechanic: RISK vs REWARD. There is no risk involved when you use a bunch of cheap dessies in Uedama taking down a billion+ freighter.
Game balance involves allowing a big enough sand box to allow all types of play - not just allowing gankers to do whatever the **** they want in hi-sec. hi-sec has rules - you just don't want to play by them.
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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:08:28 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.
Considering that none of what you talk about is free, I'm not being disingenuous. Enlisting help to move goods is at the bare min an opportunity cost to anyone involved, as well as huge expense to the freighter pilot themselves. Just like freedom isn't free, neither is protection and having to pay someone to help me do a job I should be able to do alone is NOT better. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:09:36 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: ah yes the attempting to parallel real life society to a video game option
Ah yes, another person stating the obvious without coming up with a counter argument. my counter argument is that trying to draw a parallel to real life in a video game is the height of folly and renders anything that slipped out of your words bindle irrelevant |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:10:36 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: goalposts status: moved
Would you like me to provide a link to you listing every modern (ie 1st world) nation in the world or are you telling me that you are unfamiliar with the geopolitical situation/turmoil in that country. Either way you have no idea what you are talking about.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:12:11 -
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Bertucio wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This isnt a single player game, stop treating it as such.
NEWS FLASH: It's not just a multi-player game either. Guess what there are solo players (I know quite a shock to gankers) and guess what? Solo players, new players - like the relative safety of hi-sec. Get used to it - and don't feel you're entitled just because you're in a giant sociopathic grief group. As far as I know, CCP advertises the game for solo play and group play. It's suppose to be for all kinds of players: not just yahoo gankers in Uedama. i am glad people like you play eve because your outraged squeals as you get whipped and yoked to our mighty chariots that this can't be happening is really the best part |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:12:54 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: my counter argument is that trying to draw a parallel to real life in a video game is the height of folly and renders anything that slipped out of your words bindle irrelevant
Oh, do you have an actual reason for the opinion that you hold or do you just like stating things that make no sense as a followup?
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Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:14:02 -
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Quote:"sandbox" does not mean "every possible permutation of how the game is perceived to operate should be enforced and protected"
it means "here are some loose guidelines and no discrete goal, have fun" use of the phrase "sandbox" to try and justify your own cognitive dissonance is pretty much the weakest play in the book Your thruth not mine , your definition not mine .Being disruptive to a gameplay is fine destroying it, is not . |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:14:16 -
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Bertucio wrote:hi-sec has rules - you just don't want to play by them.
what you perceive as the rules of highsec inside your own addled think pan and how the game is coded and administrated are two separate things
this is the textbook definition of cognitive dissonance |
Celly S
Concord Attraction Services The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:14:52 -
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Deadly Hobbitses wrote:
How about shaking things up a bit and adding a little bit of uniqueness to these things?
Increase base SMA volume to 1750000 Install 2.5LY jump drive Adjust hp/capacitor as needed Remove fatigue bonus
Role Bonus: Jump drive gate scanner (renders vessel's jump drive capable of locking onto stargates remotely in the absence of a cynosural field)
When activated, the ship would be capable of using its jump drive to jump to a cyno or a gate in any system which is in range. If a system is chosen, the ship would jump to a random gate in the system at normal jump-in range. This ability to shorten one's journey by means of bypassing some systems along the way would give the ship purpose while the low jump range and buildup of fatigue would help to prevent it being used as easily for force projection. In the case of highsec incursioners this might be enough of a buff to make it worth putting their shiny toys in as opposed to just flying them in a high hp travel fit.
you can't light a cyno in High sec, and carriers can move ships in null, there's absolutely "zero" reason to have a jump drive on this thing. if you bridge in null you get the 90% reduction in fatigue, if you install a jump drive on it, then you can't bridge.
o/ Celly Smunt
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:15:16 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: Oh, do you have an actual reason for the opinion that you hold or do you just like stating things that make no sense as a followup?
said the pot to the shining white beacon of light |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13871
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:16:43 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Every single delivery made to Bastion in Afghanistan
Not a modern country.
Neither is EVE. We live in a cruel, war torn world.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:17:26 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: my counter argument is that trying to draw a parallel to real life in a video game is the height of folly and renders anything that slipped out of your words bindle irrelevant
Oh, do you have an actual reason for the opinion that you hold or do you just like stating things that make no sense as a followup? it's not an opinion, it's fact GÇö-átrying to apply the norms and mores of real life to the infinitely less complex structure of a video game is at once impossible and, frankly, kinda stupid even if it is possible |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:17:31 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Valterra Craven wrote: Oh, do you have an actual reason for the opinion that you hold or do you just like stating things that make no sense as a followup?
said the pot to the shining white beacon of light
Do you guys just like to post to see your own words on the screen or do you not understand what an actual argument looks like? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:19:21 -
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Nya Kittenheart wrote:Quote:"sandbox" does not mean "every possible permutation of how the game is perceived to operate should be enforced and protected"
it means "here are some loose guidelines and no discrete goal, have fun" use of the phrase "sandbox" to try and justify your own cognitive dissonance is pretty much the weakest play in the book Your thruth not mine , your definition not mine .Being disruptive to a gameplay is fine destroying it, is not . okay, so by your definition, the sandbox should let me own every single resource and scrap of content in eve and grub it all for myself, because it's what i want and it's a ssaaaaaaannnddbooxxxx mommy i want it i want it i want it |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:19:41 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: it's not an opinion, it's fact GÇö-átrying to apply the norms and mores of real life to the infinitely less complex structure of a video game is at once impossible and, frankly, kinda stupid even if it is possible
The difference between an opinion and a fact, is that facts are proven and have evidence to support them. Since your post has none of that, it remains that: an opinion. Now if you want to link some research on how people should relate to games without comparing them to real life or anything else that has context outside of a game, then please by all means.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:20:53 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: Do you guys just like to post to see your own words on the screen or do you not understand what an actual argument looks like?
you not agreeing with our argument doesn't somehow preclude it from being relevant |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:21:18 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: it's not an opinion, it's fact GÇö-átrying to apply the norms and mores of real life to the infinitely less complex structure of a video game is at once impossible and, frankly, kinda stupid even if it is possible
The difference between an opinion and a fact, is that facts are proven and have evidence to support them. Since your post has none of that, it remains that: an opinion. Now if you want to link some research on how people should relate to games without comparing them to real life or anything else that has context outside of a game, then please by all means. that the sky is blue remains a fact even when we do not bother to provide you a picture of it and that fire is hot remains true even when we do not put your hand into the fire |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:22:03 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: it's not an opinion, it's fact GÇö-átrying to apply the norms and mores of real life to the infinitely less complex structure of a video game is at once impossible and, frankly, kinda stupid even if it is possible
The difference between an opinion and a fact, is that facts are proven and have evidence to support them. Since your post has none of that, it remains that: an opinion. Now if you want to link some research on how people should relate to games without comparing them to real life or anything else that has context outside of a game, then please by all means. seeing as your argument falls under this category on the merits of being in the "hella is an opinion" box i fail to see what you gain from shooting yourself in the foot in this manner |
Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:22:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Neither is EVE. We live in a cruel, war torn world.
News to me. Last I checked Hi sec was patrolled by not only the navies of the respective culture that controls the system, but also by concord. I don't recall ever seeing any of those navies clashing on a regular basis in hi sec on a prolonged war like basis.
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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:24:09 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: seeing as your argument falls under this category on the merits of being in the "hella is an opinion" box i fail to see what you gain from shooting yourself in the foot in this manner
Considering that I never stated my argument was a fact or that it should be treated as Gospel unlike you, I have neither gained nor lost anything.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:25:52 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Neither is EVE. We live in a cruel, war torn world.
News to me. Last I checked Hi sec was patrolled by not only the navies of the respective culture that controls the system, but also by concord. I don't recall ever seeing any of those navies clashing on a regular basis in hi sec on a prolonged war like basis.
Welcome to Afghanistan.
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