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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.11 09:11:09 -
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Now how will corps train new members in PvP with live fire exercises? Was people shooting corpmates as a grief tactic really so bad that this opportunity is lost? Will there be a new mehcanic to allow corpmates to shoot each other effortlessly instead of having to resort to duel spam?
[quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13841
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Posted - 2014.11.11 09:14:50 -
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Duel, find a WH, go to null, go to lowsec.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Ama Scelesta
100
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Posted - 2014.11.11 09:16:40 -
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There is no details as of this time how or even if the change will go through. Even if implemented the final version might lean to giving options instead of making a blanket change. Assuming the blanket change goes through you can use dueling, use the suspect system in a safespot/non-crowded system or go out of highsec for the training. You have options. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2014.11.11 09:54:10 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:There is no details as of this time how or even if the change will go through. Even if implemented the final version might lean to giving options instead of making a blanket change. Assuming the blanket change goes through you can use dueling, use the suspect system in a safespot/non-crowded system or go out of highsec for the training. You have options.
Assuming you understand the flaws in those options, I have to ask why you think it should be permissible to make it more dangerous and cumbersome for poeple to practice PvP within a corp?
baltec1 wrote:Duel, find a WH, go to null, go to lowsec.
Three options which involve getting interrupted and ganked, a fourth option which involves mass tedious clicking.
[quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
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Miomeifeng Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:25:35 -
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If you want to train your new members in pvp, you should like the idea of getting interrupted and gank attempts. then you atleast get a real fight on your hands and they can learn from that. |
Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:34:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:Duel, find a WH, go to null, go to lowsec. Meh x4
Best suggestion ive heard is let the corp choose if they want corpmate aggression or not |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
710
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:35:04 -
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OP is covert whining how much hard it will be to awox under guise of another thread about shooting Corp mates with CONCORDOKKEN being the resulting punishment for risk aversion in high sec, yet will probably respond at some point that they get the right to be the aggressor. Live fire PvP.....lol make another Corp with half and wardec or solo duel...not drugging rocket science to "train" |
Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
59
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:53:16 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Now how will corps train new members in PvP with live fire exercises? Was people shooting corpmates as a grief tactic really so bad that this opportunity is lost? Will there be a new mehcanic to allow corpmates to shoot each other effortlessly instead of having to resort to duel spam?
Though this topic has only really been in discussion....Why not use sisi to practice PvP...it costs almost nothing and your noobs won't get kills on their records before they get a chance to get out there and do the real thing...just a thought.. The only issue I can see with it is if the new player is younger than the last mirror...other than that, it's a viable alternative.
There are many ways to get around this if it indeed does become an issue. Low-sec, Wh's, Null..duels...like others have said.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1363
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Posted - 2014.11.11 10:58:44 -
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Sounds like a perfect use for "the dojo". |
Alejandro Rebenga
7
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Posted - 2014.11.11 11:02:12 -
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*Enjoys pvp and 100 isk items in the test server with others*
huh
btw, new UI stuff in sisi already. |
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
178
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Posted - 2014.11.11 11:13:43 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:baltec1 wrote:Duel, find a WH, go to null, go to lowsec. Meh x4 Best suggestion ive heard is let the corp choose if they want corpmate aggression or not
No that is the second best suggestion. The best suggestion is to not implement a change that will make in-corp training more complicated and remove content from them game in a misguided attempted to solve a non-problem, and that in all likelihood, will not change anything in terms of new player corp recruitment and player retention. |
Hicksimus
Volatile Instability Resonance.
408
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Posted - 2014.11.11 11:25:00 -
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If they make it so that even though I have duels declined autotragically that I can still get requests from corp mates I'm fine with the change.
Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you?
Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.11.11 11:35:44 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Was people shooting corpmates as a grief tactic really so bad that this opportunity is lost?
no, ccp are just too lazy to fix the issue with logistics not getting any flags for repping people involved in corpmate on corpmate violence leading to nigh invulnerable awoxing ships.
they figured they'd use it as an excuse to get rid of awoxing. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4139
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:37:33 -
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Dave Stark wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:Was people shooting corpmates as a grief tactic really so bad that this opportunity is lost? no, ccp are just too lazy to fix the issue with logistics not getting any flags for repping people involved in corpmate on corpmate violence leading to nigh invulnerable awoxing ships. they figured they'd use it as an excuse to get rid of awoxing. surprisingly this issue is something awoxers and carebears generally agree to be complete bullshit
i said what i think on awoxing already |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:46:12 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no, ccp are just too lazy to fix the issue with logistics not getting any flags for repping people involved in corpmate on corpmate violence leading to nigh invulnerable awoxing ships.
they figured they'd use it as an excuse to get rid of awoxing.
What kind of flags should logi get in the present system? How would these flags prevent them from what they're doing? |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
331
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:27:32 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Now how will corps train new members in PvP with live fire exercises? Was people shooting corpmates as a grief tactic really so bad that this opportunity is lost? Will there be a new mehcanic to allow corpmates to shoot each other effortlessly instead of having to resort to duel spam? The duel system seems perfectly adequate from my perspective - and if it's training then it's hardly spam... If you're training a small group it's pretty straightforward, a larger group might get troublesome but it feels like by the time you reach a problematic scale you're probably large enough that a roam is a better choice... |
Persifonne
Monkey Demons Of Narnia
22
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:36:46 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, ccp are just too lazy to fix the issue with logistics not getting any flags for repping people involved in corpmate on corpmate violence leading to nigh invulnerable awoxing ships.
they figured they'd use it as an excuse to get rid of awoxing. What kind of flags should logi get in the present system? How would these flags prevent them from what they're doing?
Neut logi dont go suspect cuz corpmates dont get limited engaument flag. When corpmate shoots corpmate... give limited engaument flag, then when logi reps it goes yellow. Why is this so hard ccp?
Neut logi already goes yellow if corp is at war with another corp and a neut logi reps a someone in corp
Seriously how the hell is it so jard to give someoen the dumb teal 5min timer when they shoot a corp mate? Fized |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:37:36 -
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Alejandro Rebenga wrote:*Enjoys pvp and 100 isk items in the test server with others*
huh
btw, new UI stuff in sisi already.
Yeah I and I think the new gray and bland UI for the neocom is terrible..
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:If you want to train your new members in pvp, you should like the idea of getting interrupted and gank attempts. then you atleast get a real fight on your hands and they can learn from that.
No. Flying expected ships vs other expected ships and controlling variables is what helps people learn more through training. That's why exercises from boxing to gun fire don't start purely from just throwing you in a cage with a pro or sending you onto a drill field with fake explosions and pop-up targets. Same thing with musical instruments. You don't go all flight of the bumblebee day one, train core skills and different technique all the time to eventually bring it all together under a cohesive whole.
Aqriue wrote:OP is covert whining how much hard it will be to awox under guise of another thread about shooting Corp mates with CONCORDOKKEN being the resulting punishment for risk aversion in high sec, yet will probably respond at some point that they get the right to be the aggressor. Live fire PvP.....lol make another Corp with half and wardec or solo duel...not rocket science to "train" Edit Damn typo and auto correct
Yeah, because paying for wardecs on top of possible lost ships is good for newer players.
[quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
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Persifonne
Monkey Demons Of Narnia
22
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:39:19 -
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Oh and neut logi already goes suspect for repping a duel.... so to all those saying duels are the answer... how you train logi without having them go suspect for repping a memeber of your training duel? |
Persifonne
Monkey Demons Of Narnia
22
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:51:46 -
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And isd get a ccp dev in here of this thread will keep getting made over and over and over dudes
The ccp decs enter the monument thread 5mjns in they enter the websitr thread 3mins in.. ccp devs/isds get us a response in this thread now. We dwmand it |
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
596
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Posted - 2014.11.11 14:02:10 -
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.11 14:04:16 -
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Persifonne wrote:Neut logi dont go suspect cuz corpmates dont get limited engaument flag. When corpmate shoots corpmate... give limited engaument flag, then when logi reps it goes yellow. Why is this so hard ccp?
I would prefer that the confusing aggression rules for logi are fixed instead.
I'm sure you know this already but presently logi will get CONCORDED if *all* of these are true: *) Target is attacked *) Attacker is not in target's corp
These rules don't match aggression rules for non-logi and I imagine it really confuses new players.
Quote:Neut logi already goes yellow if corp is at war with another corp and a neut logi reps a someone in corp
Only if the wardec target attacks the aggressor being repped. Is that correct? |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
91
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Posted - 2014.11.11 14:46:31 -
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let me get this straight, you want to practice pvp but don't want to go to a pvp environment to do so?
uh huh...really... |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:11:35 -
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Leoric Firesword wrote:let me get this straight, you want to practice pvp but don't want to go to a pvp environment to do so?
uh huh...really...
What is a "pvp environment", I ask you.
It is not some unicorn on the other side of a gate to lowsec.
CCP Falcon wrote:EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:14:53 -
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More concern trolling about a change that hasn't happened.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2032
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:39:12 -
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Jvpiter wrote:It is not some unicorn on the other side of a gate to lowsec. Confirming we have unicorns in lowsec. Rainbows, too.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13848
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:40:46 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jvpiter wrote:It is not some unicorn on the other side of a gate to lowsec. Confirming we have unicorns in lowsec. Rainbows, too.
The two may or may not be connected.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4139
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:50:18 -
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baltec1 wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jvpiter wrote:It is not some unicorn on the other side of a gate to lowsec. Confirming we have unicorns in lowsec. Rainbows, too. The two may or may not be connected. i see no strong evidence for a causual relationship between reported sightings of mythical animals and the empires' tolerance of privately operated booster laboratories |
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:55:37 -
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Persifonne wrote:And isd get a ccp dev in here of this thread will keep getting made over and over and over dudes
The ccp decs enter the monument thread 5mjns in they enter the websitr thread 3mins in.. ccp devs/isds get us a response in this thread now. We dwmand it ISD responding to your beck and call!
Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread locked! This topic has been brought up over and over and over and over again, and has never led to productive discussion.
I suggest holding off on panicking until an actual announcement for such a change.
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